The next President?

[Sarahnn]

As they should, since most people dont fit into 2 groups with all their views and opinions, would be nice to see a party system that is more flexible.


Maybe in 50 years. lol

Yeah but "flexible" in politics means moderate. Moderates (people who take one issue at a time) are a dying breed of poliitcal species. But, they may be making a comeback because of the extreme ideology that dominates the Dems and the Repubs.

[YARDofSTUF]

Yeah but "flexible" in politics means moderate. Moderates (people who take one issue at a time) are a dying breed of poliitcal species. But, they may be making a comeback because of the extreme ideology that dominates the Dems and the Repubs.

I mean a system thats more flexible as in more options, not a party focused on 1 issue, just with different priorities than the 2 we have now.

[Sarahnn]

I mean a system thats more flexible as in more options, not a party focused on 1 issue, just with different priorities than the 2 we have now.

What two priorities do you mean?

[jeremyboycool]

I'm saying that Downhill was not the first to feel certain that I sounded like the conservative talking heads on the radio/T.V. My views just reflect their ideology, so I made a tongue-in-cheek comment that we conservatives must all sound alike.

Yes, but I never said anything about conservatives, I was talking about a specific person, not a group. I don't understand what relevance your comments have to my post.

[jeremyboycool]

All I want to know is if xpunge is a democrat or not. I am a registered member of the GOP.

"All I want to know is if xpunge is a democrat or not."

He/she is a self-hating democrat.

[Sarahnn]

Yes, but I never said anything about conservatives, I was talking about a specific person, not a group. I don't understand what relevance your comments have to my post.

You said, "I think Xpunge just has problems with Mods, especially ones he/she (?) perceives as a Democrat."

I had a problem with Downhill, who was a mod. We always clashed on our political discussions. Downhill, just happened to be a liberal. Most liberals are Democrats.

Key words and the subject of politics brought that to mind, so I mentioned my own experiences with Democrat moderators.

[YARDofSTUF]

What two priorities do you mean?

By 2 i meant the parties we have now.

[jeremyboycool]

You said, "I think Xpunge just has problems with Mods, especially ones he/she (?) perceives as a Democrat."

I had a problem with Downhill, who was a mod. We always clashed on our political discussions. Downhill, just happened to be a liberal. Most liberals are Democrats.

Key words and the subject of politics brought that to mind, so I mentioned my own experiences with Democrat moderators.

Regardless of opposing political views, Xpunge's behavior, especially towards Downhill and now maybe Roody, is off the wall and uncalled for.

[Roody]

Yeah but "flexible" in politics means moderate. Moderates (people who take one issue at a time) are a dying breed of poliitcal species. But, they may be making a comeback because of the extreme ideology that dominates the Dems and the Repubs.

There is likely more moderates at SG than most realize. To often myself included we get hung up on political affiliation. I bet if we broke down a variety of specific topics we might find ourselves (Not just you and I) in agreeance quite a bit.

It would actually be kind of cool to start a conversation that had nothing to do with political affiliation and everything to do with an exchange of ideas. Whether it be education, abortion, economics etc.. and instead of filling it up with what some political person is doing wrong actually focus more on what we think should be done to make it right. I have little doubt Sarahnn in spite of our differences that you and I would agree on more then a few things.

[Xpunge]

"All I want to know is if xpunge is a democrat or not."

He/she is a self-hating democrat.

as apposed to a self loathing homosexual.....I'll take my condition any day.

just to clear up your ignorance, I am 100% heterosexual male, loven teh womens all day baby!

[Xpunge]

Regardless of opposing political views, Xpunge's behavior, especially towards Downhill and now maybe Roody, is off the wall and uncalled for.

When a moderator uses their position to paint label and push their agenda, hey, gloves off....stick that dogs nose in their own poop!

[Xpunge]

All I want to know is if xpunge is a democrat or not. I am a registered member of the GOP.

I am registered "decline to state"

The California democrat party has lost it since the 90s and went neo-liberal.

[Xpunge]

"Weren't you off the board for several years because you were in prison? "

I have never been in prison.

Oh I got it from a bud on im.

when you were living in montana you left a post that you were running from the law and then dissapeared from the board for several years.

my bad.

[Sarahnn]

Regardless of opposing political views, Xpunge's behavior, especially towards Downhill and now maybe Roody, is off the wall and uncalled for.

Should we all voice our unsolicited judgement call over who is good and evil in the convo between Roody and ExPunge, or is that just something you do?

[Sarahnn]

Oh I got it from a bud on im.

when you were living in montana you left a post that you were running from the law and then dissapeared from the board for several years.

my bad.

Why is it our business anyway? Just asking....

[Sarahnn]

There is likely more moderates at SG than most realize. To often myself included we get hung up on political affiliation. I bet if we broke down a variety of specific topics we might find ourselves (Not just you and I) in agreeance quite a bit.

It would actually be kind of cool to start a conversation that had nothing to do with political affiliation and everything to do with an exchange of ideas. Whether it be education, abortion, economics etc.. and instead of filling it up with what some political person is doing wrong actually focus more on what we think should be done to make it right. I have little doubt Sarahnn in spite of our differences that you and I would agree on more then a few things.

Maybe so.

Politics and Religion is so personal, it's hard to remove oneself from their own core values when the natural instinct is to defend them.

[Roody]

Maybe so.

Politics and Religion is so personal, it's hard to remove oneself from their own core values when the natural instinct is to defend them.

I can understand that, but I still think it's something that if people commit to doing they can do without all the nasty BS.

For instance just to name a few things off the top of my head. I'm a member of the Church of Christ. I consider education the key issue in any political campaign because knowledge is power. The greater the education the better chance people have of making informed decisions. I was born into a Republican family and I was one until 2004. I first was able to vote in 1992 when President Bush (41) got my vote. I didn't like Dole in 1996, but at the time I disliked Clinton even more. In 2000 I worked on then Governor Bush's campaign in Ohio. I was a huge supporter of his thinking at the time he could ultimately end up being even better then Reagan who I loved and still like a whole lot.

My views on Bush started to change in 2003 and I started feeling like more and more the party I grew up in wasn't in tune with my own ideals. In 2004 I oficially changed over to the Democrat party shortly after I came down to Florida. I voted for Kerry in 2004 and Obama in 2008. Since 2003 I have found that my views aren't even in step with Dems on some issues. The fringe elements as you previously mentioned has really undermined those who are more moderate thinkers within both parties. Florida unfortunately is a closed primary state meaning if I want to have any kind of input into one of the two parties that will ultimately represent my state I have to pick a side. Otherwise my affiliation would be more Independent.

[Xpunge]

Why is it our business anyway? Just asking....

it was in response to this...

"in the past"

Says the 2007 to the 2001.

info freely posted on the forum. eh

[Xpunge]

Gotta run folks, I have a bad dog that needs his nose shoved in poop.

[JawZ]

I am registered "decline to state"

The California democrat party has lost it since the 90s and went neo-liberal.

Ok...but that's just a paper status. Like you yourself said...you don't want to be counted as a statistic in their favor.


So outside of that...do you align yourself with the Democrats? Are you a liberal? Obviously, you identify with portions of their ideology or else you would have never become a Democrat to begin with...and you've been a Democrat for a VERY long time.


So what liberal ideology do you currently support?

[Sarahnn]

Florida unfortunately is a closed primary state meaning if I want to have any kind of input into one of the two parties that will ultimately represent my state I have to pick a side. Otherwise my affiliation would be more Independent.

Officially recognized Party affiliation is deceiving.

I have problems with all recognized political parties. I don't like to call myself a Democrat or a Republican. You could say I'm independent but I'll be pulling for the Republicans in November.

I think we are in a crises now that will effect the very Constitutionality of our Government, not unlike the Civil War did.

I say, before Obama came to office, we had problems. We teetered on the brink of a changing world economically and we have been tested..and that will probably go on as long as we are the United States.

Now I see that my main cause for concern for our future as a country is that unlike obama would have us believe, we are not broken. We do not need to be changed or fixed. We should never look to Europe for answers, socially, economically or militarily. We are unique from Europe, the Middle and Far East etc. We need to function on that premise. It's by the providence of our Creator that we have become who we are and I am highly insulted by Obama's insinuations that since the conception of our flawed document called the Constitution, we have not been the great country Americans and all world citizens have seen us as to this day.

I reject obama and all he stands for, Roody.

[JawZ]

Most of the flagrant affronts to our Constitution came at the hands of the Bush admin. Obama has continued some of them...which he was elected to reverse. The corporatocracy is in charge.

[Roody]

Most of the flagrant affronts to our Constitution came at the hands of the Bush admin. Obama has continued some of them...which he was elected to reverse. The corporatocracy is in charge.

One of my biggest beefs with Obama. He only continued a few of the actions Bush took while he was in office. Disheartening to say the least.

[Roody]

Officially recognized Party affiliation is deceiving.

I have problems with all recognized political parties. I don't like to call myself a Democrat or a Republican. You could say I'm independent but I'll be pulling for the Republicans in November.

I think we are in a crises now that will effect the very Constitutionality of our Government, not unlike the Civil War did.

I say, before Obama came to office, we had problems. We teetered on the brink of a changing world economically and we have been tested..and that will probably go on as long as we are the United States.

Now I see that my main cause for concern for our future as a country is that unlike obama would have us believe, we are not broken. We do not need to be changed or fixed. We should never look to Europe for answers, socially, economically or militarily. We are unique from Europe, the Middle and Far East etc. We need to function on that premise. It's by the providence of our Creator that we have become who we are and I am highly insulted by Obama's insinuations that since the conception of our flawed document called the Constitution, we have not been the great country Americans and all world citizens have seen us as to this day.

I reject obama and all he stands for, Roody.

In spite of our differences I have no doubt you have come to this conclusion based on studying the situation based on what works for you. If nothing else I commend you for that. Way to often I see cases where someone votes a certain way because they were told that was the thing to do.

[Sarahnn]

Most of the flagrant affronts to our Constitution came at the hands of the Bush admin. Obama has continued some of them...which he was elected to reverse. The corporatocracy is in charge.

No they did not.

[JawZ]

Most of the flagrant affronts to our Constitution came at the hands of the Bush admin. Obama has continued some of them...which he was elected to reverse. The corporatocracy is in charge.

[Sarahnn]

Most of the flagrant affronts to our Constitution came at the hands of the Bush admin. Obama has continued some of them...which he was elected to reverse. The corporatocracy is in charge.

The corporatocracy makes goods, feeds the economy, competes with the world market and keeps people employed.

Obama has said many times through quote after quote that he wants change. He wants change from the way Bush did things. What does that mean to you? Do you have a clear picture of what obama meant? Those who do not understand the logistic ideology of obama's goals, are more of an affront and danger to our Republic than all past President's put together.

[RaisinCain]

They are ALL full of ****. Seriously people. Wake up.

[jeremyboycool]

Oh I got it from a bud on im.

when you were living in montana you left a post that you were running from the law and then dissapeared from the board for several years.

my bad.

Sounds dramatic, let's go with your version, makes my life seem much more exciting.

[JawZ]

Sounds dramatic, let's go with your version, makes my life seem much more exciting.

For what it's worth, I recall the same thing. You were living in pretty sparse conditions and were posting from that crappy old pc you had in that room that you posted a pic of and then you said that you were having an issue with the law. Then you disappeared for a couple of years.

[jeremyboycool]

For what it's worth, I recall the same thing. You were living in pretty sparse conditions and were posting from that crappy old pc you had in that room that you posted a pic of and then you said that you were having an issue with the law. Then you disappeared for a couple of years.

Regardless of my naivety of the law, at that time, the fact is I have never done anything that would land me in prison. I failed the piss test and was put in county jail for 10 days.


"Then you disappeared for a couple of years."

It was about a year, (I have been looking at my posting history).

[JawZ]

Regardless of my naivety of the law, at that time, the fact is I have never done anything that would land me in prison. I failed the piss test and was put in county jail for 10 days.


"Then you disappeared for a couple of years."

It was about a year, (I have been looking at my posting history).

That sucks. Why did you have to take a piss test? Job related or something else? Probation perhaps? Personally the war on drugs is another failure of our country.

[jeremyboycool]

That sucks. Why did you have to take a piss test? Job related or something else? Probation perhaps? Personally the war on drugs is another failure of our country.

It was probation, that's why I was worried. I thought failing the UA would violate my probation and they would send me to prison. Which is technically something they could have done, but my PO was a little more patient with me.

[JC]

It was probation, that's why I was worried. I thought failing the UA would violate my probation and they would send me to prison. Which is technically something they could have done, but my PO was a little more patient with me.

Why were you on probation?

[SlyOneDoofy]

Officially recognized Party affiliation is deceiving.

I have problems with all recognized political parties. I don't like to call myself a Democrat or a Republican. You could say I'm independent but I'll be pulling for the Republicans in November.

I think we are in a crises now that will effect the very Constitutionality of our Government, not unlike the Civil War did.

I say, before Obama came to office, we had problems. We teetered on the brink of a changing world economically and we have been tested..and that will probably go on as long as we are the United States.

Now I see that my main cause for concern for our future as a country is that unlike obama would have us believe, we are not broken. We do not need to be changed or fixed. We should never look to Europe for answers, socially, economically or militarily. We are unique from Europe, the Middle and Far East etc. We need to function on that premise. It's by the providence of our Creator that we have become who we are and I am highly insulted by Obama's insinuations that since the conception of our flawed document called the Constitution, we have not been the great country Americans and all world citizens have seen us as to this day.

I reject obama and all he stands for, Roody.

+1

[jeremyboycool]

Why were you on probation?

Over the course of a summer I stole food from a Forest Service warehouse. A misdemeanor offense if it had not been a government building; apparently stealing from the government bumps it up to a felony.

[David]

The corporatocracy makes goods, feeds the economy, competes with the world market and keeps people employed.

The corporatocracy are parasites that control monies..... whoah.... Channeled Karl Marx for a moment.

[David]

Now I see that my main cause for concern for our future as a country is that unlike obama would have us believe, we are not broken. We do not need to be changed or fixed. We should never look to Europe for answers, socially, economically or militarily. We are unique from Europe, the Middle and Far East etc. We need to function on that premise. It's by the providence of our Creator that we have become who we are and I am highly insulted by Obama's insinuations that since the conception of our flawed document called the Constitution, we have not been the great country Americans and all world citizens have seen us as to this day.

I reject obama and all he stands for, Roody.

Out of context, P... Obama made that comment in 2001 on a panel regarding slavery. You must have known that.

We could look to Canada, if we are looking for any ideas, just saying.

[Sarahnn]

The corporatocracy are parasites that control monies..... whoah.... Channeled Karl Marx for a moment.

lol, what Marx didn't say is that he sees private capital as something he can't have without hard work.

[Sarahnn]

Out of context, P... Obama made that comment in 2001 on a panel regarding slavery. You must have known that.

He believes it. When he said it is not germane to the point I was making.

Something you will not hear Obama say is that through this document he calls flawed, America has become a bastion of freedom for all people, including slaves. It was hard won, but the Constitution kept us on course and as long as we live by its flawed doctrine, we will be able to continue to form a more perfect union. Obama is a racist. A racist cannot see a document drawn up by rich European caucasians as something to be admired, no matter what it says or stands for.

We could look to Canada, if we are looking for any ideas, just saying.

They are a good neighbor to have to the North. Maybe even the best neighbor.