Congressman introduces bill to decriminalize personal marijuana use

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:30 pm

Izzo wrote:Lol @ arguing with a Doctor

you are cornfused. it was a statement. and a true one at that. sorry you can discriminate between the 2.

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:31 pm

Roody wrote:If it hasn't changed then I would suggest going back and re-wording what you typed because earlier you flat out admitted you never went through an experience that even approached the one I did. If me reading exactly what you said means I am not thinking outside the box then I can live with that. Much better to read what it is you said then not too.

I don't need to re-word I typed it how exactly how I wanted to.

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:32 pm

Gixxer wrote:you are gonna love this .....

you started it!!!!

Where?

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:32 pm

Gixxer wrote:you are cornfused. it was a statement. and a true one at that. sorry you can discriminate between the 2.

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:32 pm

Izzo wrote:I have every right so stfu.

edit> Thanks for admitting to be the trolling POS you are. Mods ....got any balls to do something about that?

... please stop. i ate to much lunch to be laughing this hard. i did in the past and i got banned for it. pay attention!

i dont think i am baiting/trolling/insulting or whatever now. statements son, statements.

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:34 pm

Izzo wrote:I have every right so stfu.

edit> Thanks for admitting to be the trolling POS you are. Mods ....got any balls to do something about that?

.. sorry still laughing

show me where i trolled.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:36 pm

Izzo wrote:On this page you accused me of being classless and and arrogant prick ( which Gixxer agreed with) and that I can't read. Of course that wasn't disrespect...none at all. I'd like to see verifiable evidence that you received infractions for those as it was clear what your motive was.

Did you notice the initiate part? You have trolled this thread with insults and it wasn't until that point that I came down on you. In PM's or on the boards the staff as a whole has asked you a variety of ways to tone it down for quite sometime now and yet you continue down the same path. Burke had the exact same problem you do. It's like there is this inner voice in your head that requires you to be as nasty as possible. Point in case:

I have every right so stfu.

edit> Thanks for admitting to be the trolling POS you are. Mods ....got any balls to do something about that?

All you had to say was "I have every right", but instead you got nasty with it and then challenged us as MODS. It's the exact same crap Burke pulled.

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:38 pm

Roody wrote:Did you notice the initiate part? You have trolled this thread with insults and it wasn't until that point that I came down on you. In PM's or on the boards the staff as a whole has asked you a variety of ways to tone it down for quite sometime now and yet you continue down the same path. Burke had the exact same problem you do. It's like there is this inner voice in your head that requires you to be as nasty as possible. Point in case:

All you had to say was "I have every right", but instead you got nasty with it and then challenged us as MODS. It's the exact same crap Burke pulled.

So that makes you insults ok ... so If someone starts it i have a free pass ..ok

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:39 pm

Gixxer wrote: .. sorry still laughing

show me where i trolled.

Catch the wife looking for any new man-meat this week yet? You know once they start looking they never stop. I wonder who she's talkin' to when you're not at home?

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:40 pm

Izzo wrote:So that makes you insults ok ... so If someone starts it i have a free pass ..ok

you are the arsonist. whether it is ok or not you do it so you cannot complain.

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:42 pm

Izzo wrote:Catch the wife looking for any new man-meat this week yet? You know once they start looking they never stop. I wonder who she's talkin' to when you're not at home?

i quote "your kung fu is weak" ... like last time.

how do you know once they start they never stop? sounds as though you are speaking from personal experience. lol

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Roody · Post by **Roody** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:42 pm

Izzo wrote:So that makes you insults ok ... so If someone starts it i have a free pass ..ok

None of it is okay. That said asking you nicely has proven itself not to work. We have tried everyway possible. If I have to speak your language in order to get your attention I will. Truth is a high majority of the members around here cause no problems at all and none of them get grief from me. You on the other hand seem to take pride in causing trouble.

For the record I did NOT say that if someone else starts something you get a free pass.

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:44 pm

i have to walk away for a minute

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:50 pm

This thread has ran it's course.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 4:33 pm

I have cleaned up the thread some and reopened it. Let's try and get back on topic without all the nastiness.

David · Post by **David** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 4:39 pm

Gixxer wrote:two seperate substances with two different effects mentally and physically.

But similar in their ease to obtain. Sadly, meth can be added to the list.

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 4:43 pm

Roody wrote:I have cleaned up the thread some and reopened it. Let's try and get back on topic without all the nastiness.

you @$#*@$)*(@)$(@%!

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 4:44 pm

David wrote:But similar in their ease to obtain. Sadly, meth can be added to the list.

correct. i think if there were more options to alcohol, instead of just beer and liquor, then there would be a much bigger problem.

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 6:11 pm

How do countries with national health care systems & where pot is legal, handle health matters that are related to pot use?

I think you guys should make yourself aware of how the outside world deals with pot, especially those countries with national healthcare systems.

Here is some excellent reading:

http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=338 ... rmat=print

http://www.sptimes.com/News/073001/Worl ... ts_a.shtml

frostybear · Post by **frostybear** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 6:20 pm

Gixxer wrote:two seperate substances with two different effects mentally and physically.

Hi Gixxer, this thread has pulled me from my hermit hole

of course they both have different effects, the chemical composition & constituents are very different. One has a looooooooong history of death and destruction of the body, the other not so much, can you guess which? On the mind one can say that one can induce and heighten agression while the other will make you passive, care to guess which? In all the times I have asked cops how many times they have been called to a domestic beating or assault involding alcohol, and in almost every case it has been like 95%+. When I asked about marijuana they just laughed and said "NO". Now am I saying it is for everyone, not at all, because the chemical composition is unique so the effect is not the same in all.

When comparing the damages the each substance causes on the human body, hands down alcohol is overwhelming the winner in almost every case. I have seen more people die from direct alcohol poisoning than I have of marijuana overdose (which in the history of medical literature has not occured) I have seen alcohol as a gateway far more times than marijuana in combining alcohol with many other things which end up destroying the body. I have witnessed multiple fights occur under the influence of alcohol, 0 on marijuana.

Everything and ANYTHING can be a gateway, one example is celebrities and those other tabloids that cover their lives. How can this be a gateway you ask? Simple, I have known countless girls throughout my life who little by little got more involved in wanting to be like their celebrities favs or look like them, and many times have seen them spiral down the diet pill/energy path only to become addicted to them to the point where they have withdrawals from not taking them, and causing many other health problems. If one can observe how this can apply to an exponential amount of other things then it all becomes ridiculous and boils down to PERSONAL responsibility. I have seen this with many LEGAL otc drugs. But that is fine right? Where does one draw the line? Anti-Depressants are many times more dangerous than MJ, studies have shown... here are a few examples of what they have caused people to do.

-September 28, 2006: Bailey, Colorado: Duane Morrison, 53, entered Platte Canyon High School and shot and killed one girl, and sexually assaulted 6 others. Antidepressants were found in his vehicle.
-March 21, 2005: Red Lake Indian Reservation, Minnesota: 16-year-old Native American Jeff Weise was under the influence of the antidepressant Prozac when he shot and killed nine people and wounding five before committing suicide.
-April 10, 2001: Wahluke, Washington: 16-year-old Cory Baadsgaard took a rifle to his high school, and held 23 classmates and a teacher hostage while on a high dose of the antidepressant Effexor.
-March 22, 2001: El Cajon, California: 18-year-old Jason Hoffman was on two antidepressants, Effexor and Celexa, when he opened fire at his California high school wounding five.
-March 7, 2000: Williamsport, Pennsylvania: 14-year-old Elizabeth Bush was on the antidepressant Prozac when she blasted away at fellow students in Williamsport, Pennsylvania, wounding one.
-May 20, 1999: Conyers, Georgia: 15-year-old T.J. Solomon was being treated with a mix of antidepressants when he opened fire on and wounded 6 of his classmates.
-April 20, 1999: Columbine, Colorado: 18-year-old Eric Harris was on the antidepressant Luvox when he and his partner Dylan Klebold killed 12 classmates and a teacher and wounded 23 others before taking their own lives in the bloodiest school massacre to date. The coroner confirmed that the antidepressant was in his system through toxicology reports while Dylan Klebold’s autopsy was never made public.
-April 16, 1999: Notus, Idaho: 15-year-old Shawn Cooper fired two shotgun rounds in his school narrowly missing students; he was taking a mix of antidepressants.
-May 21, 1998: Springfield, Oregon: 15-year-old Kip Kinkel murdered his own parents and then proceeded to school where he opened fire on students in the cafeteria, killing two and wounding 22. Kinkel had been on Prozac.

Hmmm... lets see.... nope no MJ there. So unless you still believe all the propaganda during anslingers time......

And yet this is totally fine to give to the children right? I have seen my nephew go from a bright child that was full of energy at a time until his mom put him on meds because they believe he has ADHD. Now it is difficult to even try talking to him at times because he seems like a zombie most of the time with no feeling and a blank stare on his face

Sorry for the winded post, it has been awhile since I had one of those forgive me.

Come on now, you dont find making nature ( includes any other plants ) against the law a bit ridiculous. You have to remember Nature does not make drugs, man does. Always remember paraselcus rule.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 6:53 pm

Izzo I just want to say sorry for the "prick" comment earlier. I definitely could have voiced my frustration in a better manner.

brembo · Post by **brembo** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:01 pm

Roody wrote:Izzo I just want to say sorry for the "prick" comment earlier. I definitely could have voiced my frustration in a better manner.

Yeah, he's more on an asshat IMO. Prick is selling him short. ba-doom-tisk!

koldchillah · Post by **koldchillah** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:05 pm

Gixxer wrote:yes, i am talking about the gateway part. i said nothing about chioces. i am stating what sets up the harder things, to which nobody has an answer for.

"gateway" and "choices" go hand in hand. When a "gate" opens, a person "chooses" to walk through. You can't have one without the other. You either try something and then try something else, or you try something and then don't try anything else. Pretty simple if you ask me.

It's not going to matter whether it's pot, coke, crack, heroin.. That "hard" vs. "soft" is irrelevant. Different strokes for different folks. Get a room full of hardcore NA peeps together and you will find a variety of answers as to what they tried first. Thats why I find it silly to say "THIS particular drug is the gateway.". That sounds so ridiculous to me because the true gateway is not a drug at all, but rather a state of mind and the decisions that were made by the individual.

Debbie · Post by **Debbie** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:14 pm

koldchillah wrote:That sounds so ridiculous to me because the true gateway is not a drug at all, but rather a state of mind and the decisions that were made by the individual.

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:08 am

koldchillah wrote:"gateway" and "choices" go hand in hand. When a "gate" opens, a person "chooses" to walk through. You can't have one without the other. You either try something and then try something else, or you try something and then don't try anything else. Pretty simple if you ask me.

It's not going to matter whether it's pot, coke, crack, heroin.. That "hard" vs. "soft" is irrelevant. Different strokes for different folks. Get a room full of hardcore NA peeps together and you will find a variety of answers as to what they tried first. Thats why I find it silly to say "THIS particular drug is the gateway.". That sounds so ridiculous to me because the true gateway is not a drug at all, but rather a state of mind and the decisions that were made by the individual.

that is a helluva statement and i think i understand your point.

i am going to try to describe a little better myself.

i feel if one gate is open that you normally would not walk though, but do and not much harm is done, you don't know the full ramifications of the other choices of gates and another world that it could lead to. by that i mean, no harm, your brain does not tell you that the next gate may be worse because the first was not bad at all.

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:10 am

frosty,

first, i am glad to see you posting again.

second, i just got to work, so i need to get a couple things done and then i will read your book.

quick edit, i know it seemed silly to say both are different, i said that because the two to me are different and people it seems try to make them similar.

Leatherneck · Post by **Leatherneck** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:50 am

David wrote:This "fool" disagrees.

Well David we'll have to disagree. I personally have never known anyone who smoked pot that (never) tried anything else (and going to high school in the 70's gave me quite a good number). I am not saying it is a gateway drug by composition, but more by lifestyle and choice. I guess if a person tried cocaine first it could be considered a gateway drug also. Regardless, I don't believe than legalizing MJ for recreational use will solve any problem whatsoever. Any taxation would be wasted as usual. Do we really need even a handful more of stoners that are highly affected by the crap out there? Just like Alcohol, some are responsible, some are not. I'd hate to see anyone get a phone call saying their kid was killed by a stoned driver. We have enough of that already.

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:59 am

Gixxer wrote:that is a helluva statement and i think i understand your point. i am going to try to describe a little better myself.

i feel if one gate is open that you normally would not walk though, but do and not much harm is done, you don't know the full ramifications of the other choices of gates and another world that it could lead to. by that i mean, no harm, your brain does not tell you that the next gate may be worse because the first was not bad at all.

Dylan Klebold’s autopsy was never made public

interesting.

frosty, i feel they should make it legal, but who am i to say. all the examples you give seem fair and true enough, but i treid to explain my opinion well enough in the above, but sometimes i maybe do not word my thoughts very well.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:00 am

Leatherneck wrote:Well David we'll have to disagree. I personally have never known anyone who smoked pot that (never) tried anything else (and going to high school in the 70's gave me quite a good number).

When I was in 6th-9th grade a lot of my friends were into drugs, mostly pot, some freinds were more into the rave scene and used acid, they never traded drugs, there was always a "my drug is better than yours" argument.

brembo · Post by **brembo** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:04 am

Gixxer wrote:Dylan Klebold’s autopsy was never made public

Watch for falling non-sequiturs.

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:15 am

brembo wrote:Watch for falling non-sequiturs.

your baiting and trolling is noted. move on.

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:16 am

Gixxer wrote:Dylan Klebold’s autopsy was never made public?

interesting.

frosty, i feel they should make it legal, but who am i to say. all the examples you give seem fair and true enough, but i treid to explain my opinion well enough in the above, but sometimes i maybe do not word my thoughts very well.

brembo wrote:Watch for falling non-sequiturs.

better?

koldchillah · Post by **koldchillah** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:42 am

Gixxer wrote:i feel if one gate is open that you normally would not walk though, but do and not much harm is done, you don't know the full ramifications of the other choices of gates and another world that it could lead to. by that i mean, no harm, your brain does not tell you that the next gate may be worse because the first was not bad at all.

I see what you are getting at, but what I'm getting at, is that there is no guarantee that people are going to start with soft drugs and then progress to harder ones as you appear to be assuming. The idea of their being a particular "gateway" is silly. There isn't one drug that ISN'T a gateway.. so why use the term? Just call them all what they are.. drugs.. and the people that do them made a choice. For the record, me and most of my friends tried pot AFTER we had earned a masters degree in liquor cabinet robbery and a bachelors in psychedelics. I've got enough personal experience on the matter to know that it's not something to be proud of.

Frostybear, well said.

frostybear · Post by **frostybear** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 1:14 pm

Gixxer wrote:frosty,

first, i am glad to see you posting again.

second, i just got to work, so i need to get a couple things done and then i will read your book.
quick edit, i know it seemed silly to say both are different, i said that because the two to me are different and people it seems try to make them similar.

My apologies for the book

It is not silly to say both are different because they are in numerous aspects.

Gixxer wrote:Dylan Klebold’s autopsy was never made public

interesting.

frosty, i feel they should make it legal, but who am i to say. all the examples you give seem fair and true enough, but i treid to explain my opinion well enough in the above, but sometimes i maybe do not word my thoughts very well.

It happens to all of us, but it is better for the discussion to continue so that we may all try to understand each other to form a better conclusion on the subject at hand, as opposed attacking each other for differing views.

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 1:21 pm

frostybear wrote:My apologies for the book It is not silly to say both are different because they are in numerous aspects.

It happens to all of us, but it is better for the discussion to continue so that we may all try to understand each other to form a better conclusion on the subject at hand, as opposed attacking each other for differing views.:thumb:

no apology needed for the long post. i don't mind at all. i just needed to get some things done before reading and replying.

good post

David · Post by **David** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 8:03 am

Leatherneck wrote:Well David we'll have to disagree. I personally have never known anyone who smoked pot that (never) tried anything else (and going to high school in the 70's gave me quite a good number). I am not saying it is a gateway drug by composition, but more by lifestyle and choice. I guess if a person tried cocaine first it could be considered a gateway drug also. Regardless, I don't believe than legalizing MJ for recreational use will solve any problem whatsoever. Any taxation would be wasted as usual. Do we really need even a handful more of stoners that are highly affected by the crap out there? Just like Alcohol, some are responsible, some are not. I'd hate to see anyone get a phone call saying their kid was killed by a stoned driver. We have enough of that already.

Steve,

It is an argument of semantics. A "gateway" is a portal by which another region may be entered (literally or figuratively). Cannabis is but one of many presently illegal drugs that somewhat might experiment. The precursor to marijuana dabbling would be the ubiquitous tobacco cigarette. It is easy to swallow a pill or quaff a liquid, however smoking does take a few attempts to master. I no longer see any gateways to the realm of hard drugs as perhaps it was the case in our youth. Alcohol still would be the the first to come to mind, followed by Ritalin and the parent's bathroom cabinet and from under the sink (huffing). The "gateway" is curiousity.

Leatherneck · Post by **Leatherneck** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 4:08 pm

David wrote:Steve,

It is an argument of semantics. A "gateway" is a portal by which another region may be entered (literally or figuratively). Cannabis is but one of many presently illegal drugs that somewhat might experiment. The precursor to marijuana dabbling would be the ubiquitous tobacco cigarette. It is easy to swallow a pill or quaff a liquid, however smoking does take a few attempts to master. I no longer see any gateways to the realm of hard drugs as perhaps it was the case in our youth. Alcohol still would be the the first to come to mind, followed by Ritalin and the parent's bathroom cabinet and from under the sink (huffing). The "gateway" is curiousity.

It's a different day for sure. The first time I tried MJ it seemed huge, scary and very risky and at the time I didn't know of anyone who did more explicit drugs. We learned about Heroin and all the hard narcotics in school, but it seemed like stuff that people from another planet did. As I grew older I watched the progression of people around me and it was speed, then ludes, opium, cocaine, mushrooms, LSD etc...

I think you are right in kids now just taking whatever right off the get go. Pretty scary. I watch my kids closely, but they have never given me a reason to be suspicious.

R0cke113 · Post by **R0cke113** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 6:19 pm

MJ is no worse than alcohol and they say it is not addictive. I'm not a scientist and have not seen these studies first hand, however in the words of my father alcohol is the most dangerous drug out there. It's socially acceptable and readily accessible. I agree pot should be legalized and the drinking age heightened to I believe age 25 when the brain is completely finished developing. As far as I know it does not even close to the physical and mental damage alcohol does and usually results in the user getting tired and sleeping. Doesn't result in physical or psychological addiction like heroin, coke, or crack.

Paft · Post by **Paft** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 3:58 am

Leatherneck wrote:I personally have never known anyone who smoked pot that never tried anything else (and going to high school in the 70's gave me quite a good number).

Now you do.

R0cke113 · Post by **R0cke113** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 5:54 am

No disrespect, however I have seen a lot of people growing up in the 90's and throughout college who smoked pot only. Some destroyed their lives with alcohol and do nothing except work a nothing job and smoke pot. I have also productive "POTHEADS" and "ALCOHOLICS". I can assure you that keeping this ban on pot will do nothing except put more people in jail. An individuals reaction and favoritism or the drug is solely based on how they were raised in my opinion. Maybe we need to address parenting instead of attempting to over shelter our youth. I personally see marijuana and alcohol as being equal on the level of danger if both were legal. Both would cause DWI and some job related injuries as alcohol does now. I do not believe that DWI would increase just the number of felonies would decrease.