Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA) has made good on his promise to introduce what he called the "Make Room for the Serious Criminals Bill" on a March 21, 2008 appearance on HBO's Real Time with Bill Maher. Co-sponsoring the bill are Reps. Ron Paul (R-TX), Maurice Hinchey (D-NY), Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA) and Sam Farr (D-CA).
Sava700 wrote:The bowl games and the money along with the lives it effects are more important than a drug that ruines lives...
The main way weed ruins lives (in my opinion) is when people get caught with a small amount and end up in prison with murderers rapists gang bangers etc... and end up all messed up when they come out.
Legalize it. Make room in the prisons for people who have proven that they can't live among the public without causing havoc.
It will never happen, One because they make to much money the illegal way, Two because people would drive while high and three because people would work high. This country's product output would be cut in half in the matter of a week. They should just stop locking people up for it unless they drive on it or cause a work related accident. Its not going to happen though.
brembo wrote:Look up myopic and apply that word to your world view.
This drug is illegal and ruins lives... money is spent on its enjoyment than for some people spent on their own kids and bills. But its just as important for Congress to fight this as it is to fight for fairness in the BCS Bowl games since a many citizens ( tax paying ones) feel it should be... so I agree with them spending my tax money on these two issues as do many others. You can't argue with that..if you wish to then write them a letter, perhaps they will send you back a reply like YOS got.
Sava700 wrote:This drug is illegal and ruins lives... money is spent on its enjoyment than for some people spent on their own kids and bills. But its just as important for Congress to fight this as it is to fight for fairness in the BCS Bowl games since a many citizens ( tax paying ones) feel it should be... so I agree with them spending my tax money on these two issues as do many others. You can't argue with that..if you wish to then write them a letter, perhaps they will send you back a reply like YOS got.
And its not making the drug legal but freeing up the jails for real criminals.
Beer/alcohol is legal and I'll argue that it kills/ruins more lives than weed. Cigarettes are legal and kill people...KILL.
I could give a flip if weed is legal, however I don't see it as dangerous as meth/crack/heroin. All these uber SWAT type drug interdiction units should be focused on the hard drugs that create the urban hells that many of the bigger cities have festering in their more ethnic areas. Get rid of the crack dens, the heroin dumps, leave the stoners alone until the real nasties get expunged.
There are a plethora of issues that need addressing before the BCS gets it's 15 minutes in congress's spotlight. Why is the governing body of the United States focusing on a game series for college students? It's a private concern, and should remain so. I simply cannot see how in any way that involving the f'ing government in sports is a good thing. It is astonishing sometimes the things people will allow the government to do, regulating our lives to the finest minutia and asking for more.
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I gave Miss Manners a Dirty Sanchez, and she LIKED it.
Because I have personally seen it's use lead to more then a share of criminal activity. I don't have an issue if the Government wants to allow it for medical purposes, but I oppose it's legalization or decriminalization.
Roody wrote:Can't say I am for decriminalizing it either.
So you think its better that we keep locking up the users in a jail cell, filling our jails up so that more serious offenders get options of reduced sentences for murder, manslaughter, and such, only for that reason?
More than one bill in question here. One removes federal penalties for personal use (which to my weak mind sounds like legalizing it), the other allows medical use with a prescription.
From the article:
One bill would remove federal penalties for the personal use of marijuana, and the other – versions of which Frank has filed in several preceding sessions of Congress – would allow the medical use of marijuana in states that have chosen to make its use for medical purposes legal with a doctor’s recommendation.
YARDofSTUF wrote:So you think its better that we keep locking up the users in a jail cell, filling our jails up so that more serious offenders get options of reduced sentences for murder, manslaughter, and such, only for that reason?
With all due respect I have personally seen it's use lead to those very things that you consider serious offenses.
Roody wrote:With all due respect I have personally seen it's use lead to those very things that you consider serious offenses.
Directly? Like they smoked pot so they went out and murdered someone for kicks?
Personalyl I think jail time helps breed them into potentially illegal acts, where as counselling or a more drug rehab facility would be much more beneficial.
YARDofSTUF wrote:Directly? Like they smoked pot so they went out and murdered someone for kicks?
Personalyl I think jail time helps breed them into potentially illegal acts, where as counselling or a more drug rehab facility would be much more beneficial.
Yes I have personally seen it's use within a given day lead to the death of another person. Was their intent to immediately kill? No it wasn't, but it's use lead to the death of another.
Although that in and of itself is a rarity it's use from what I have seen often leads to other issues.
Roody wrote:Because I have personally seen it's use lead to more then a share of criminal activity. I don't have an issue if the Government wants to allow it for medical purposes, but I oppose it's legalization or decriminalization.
I've seen more people's live go to **** with alcohol than weed. So that should be next in line right? Again, I could care less what the legal status of weed is, just following a logical path here in terms of reasoning. The 70 mph limit on many interstates is also a bad decision, kills more people than a 40 mph limit would, that outta be on the chopping block next...right?
Sugar, wow what a killer. Huge overhead on diabetes and other health realted issues. Mahaps the government should dole it out in little packets so's we dumb people can rely on the governemnt to keep us safe and happy. PUT DOWN THE SWEET TEA AND BACK AWAY SIR. It's for our greatness as a country. Yawol mein...oops sorry about that.
Tao_Jones Cult Member since 2004
I gave Miss Manners a Dirty Sanchez, and she LIKED it.
brembo wrote:I've seen more people's live go to **** with alcohol than weed. So that should be next in line right?
Fine by me. It's use also leads to a much higher death rate then warrants it's legality.
Sugar, wow what a killer. Huge overhead on diabetes and other health realted issues. Mahaps the government should dole it out in little packets so's we dumb people can rely on the governemnt to keep us safe and happy. PUT DOWN THE SWEET TEA AND BACK AWAY SIR. It's for our greatness as a country. Yawol mein...oops sorry about that.
What you speak of and what I am talking about are two different things.
Roody wrote:Yes I have personally seen it's use within a given day lead to the death of another person. Was their intent to immediately kill? No it wasn't, but it's use lead to the death of another.
brembo wrote:I've seen more people's live go to **** with alcohol than weed. So that should be next in line right? Again, I could care less what the legal status of weed is, just following a logical path here in terms of reasoning. The 70 mph limit on many interstates is also a bad decision, kills more people than a 40 mph limit would, that outta be on the chopping block next...right?
Sugar, wow what a killer. Huge overhead on diabetes and other health realted issues. Mahaps the government should dole it out in little packets so's we dumb people can rely on the governemnt to keep us safe and happy. PUT DOWN THE SWEET TEA AND BACK AWAY SIR. It's for our greatness as a country. Yawol mein...oops sorry about that.
Marijuana needs to be decriminalized....anyone that thinks otherwise is still caught up in reefer madness. Alcohol is far more dangerous and leads to more deaths than marijuana ever has.
Absolutely. In one of the cases a buddy of mine was smoking weed all day long. We went out and he drove. His response time was severely diminished and he killed a person in another car when we got in the accident. I saw it coming and called to him, but his response time was pathetically slow and even the cops on the scene ruled the death a direct result of marijuana use.
Marijuana needs to be decriminalized....anyone that thinks otherwise is still caught up in reefer madness. Alcohol is far more dangerous and leads to more deaths than marijuana ever has.
ZOMG better hide the white womenz!
Been involved in a few situations where marijuana use has killed someone I take it? If not then you would understand why I disagree with your assessment and the idea that just because something else kills more people that it somehow condones the legalization of a drug.
Roody wrote:Absolutely. In one of the cases a buddy of mine was smoking weed all day long. We went out and he drove. His response time was severely diminished and he killed a person in another car when we got in the accident. I saw it coming and called to him, but his response time was pathetically slow and even the cops on the scene ruled the death a direct result of marijuana use.
YARDofSTUF wrote:Ah and so jailtime helps to fix this issue?
Yes it most certainly does. A life was lost that day and it didn't have to happen. In fact had he not been using it it wouldn't have happened. Don't forget this was a buddy of mine so if anything I was biased towards wanting to see him remain on the outside. That said weed led to the death of that girl. He deserved the punishment and it was the right thing to do to put him in jail.
Roody wrote:Yes it most certainly does. A life was lost that day and it didn't have to happen. In fact had he not been using it it wouldn't have happened. Don't forget this was a buddy of mine so if anything I was biased towards wanting to see him remain on the outside. That said weed led to the death of that girl. He deserved the punishment and it was the right thing to do to put him in jail.
Yeah he deserves teh jailtime for the death but jailtime for the use of pot just puts these people in the element, they help, not the influence of other criminals.
YARDofSTUF wrote:Yeah he deserves teh jailtime for the death but jailtime for the use of pot just puts these people in the element, they help, not the influence of other criminals.
Unfortunately you can't seperate the two. In this case pot led to the death.
I understand your guys viewpoints and I respect them. My own personal experience is different and I think it's a very bad idea to legalize or decriminalize it's use. I can assure you guys there is absolutely nothing you could say that will sway that view. When you see it's use lead to more then 1 death overall you tend to have a more jaded viewpoint of it then some that never went through that experience has.
YARDofSTUF wrote:Yes you can, if someone is arrested for smoking pot then go to counseling, if arrested for murder they go to jail.
Its easy to separate them.
In your case it is, but you might feel differently if you had been in my situation. Regardless the ones who ultimately make the decision disagree with you. I based my view on an actual situation and it's easy to play armchair QB if you didn't go through the same thing. Facts are they weren't seperate in that case.
Roody wrote:In your case it is, but you might feel differently if you had been in my situation. Regardless the ones who ultimately make the decision disagree with you. I based my view on an actual situation and it's easy to play armchair QB if you didn't go through the same thing. Facts are they weren't seperate in that case.
And now you apply that case to all pot users, this is reminding me a lot of the school girl that fainted a little while back.
Make room in the prisons for people who have proven that they can't live among the public without causing havoc.
