I personally have always believed in life on other planets & feel they have and continue to visit earth. The why of it remains a mystery to me? Other than simply keeping an eye on us i am surprised they have not tried to make contact. They are obviously far more advanced than we are & it would appear they are capable of doing whatever they would wish to do.
Whats your opinion?
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Retired McGill University professor convinced ‘beyond a reasonable doubt’ that aliens exist.
The educator, who spent 47 years at McGill University, including as associate dean of the faculty of graduate studies and research — applies his insights into psychology to a book: UFOs, ETs, and Alien Abductions, a Scientist looks at the Evidence. It will be published in May. Mr. Donderi spoke to the Post’s Jen Gerson on Monday.
Q. You write about cases of humans believing they were abducted. I believe your press release refers to a “catch and release” program. Do you have physical evidence to support that?
A. I don’t personally have physical evidence to support that. What I say in the book is that the evidence of the extra-terrestrial nature of some of what UFO phenomenon is reported is in my opinion established beyond a reasonable doubt.
Q. Give me an example of some of that evidence.
A. There is an entire chapter on six UFO abduction cases. Each of them has what you might call in common a touchstone. Every one of the people involved saw a close up of a UFO. Everyone of the people had missing time they could not account for, a period of an hour or more, maybe even two or three hours. After the initial sighting, they ended up driving down a road not knowing how they got there. In several other cases, people saw the UFO as well. Some of these people wound up with scars they could not explain.
Q. Can you tell me a little bit about your background and what you do?
A. I worked at McGill University from 1962 to 2009. I was an associate professor of psychological research and published well over 100 papers on one thing or another. In 1982 I co-founded a consulting company that does human factors ergonomics consulting. I’ve been on the mainstream of science and engineering my entire professional life.
Q. How did you get interested in this particular subject?
A. I was interested as a boy when this stuff started happening in 1947. I was old enough to read the newspapers. I’m a curious person and I was persuaded this was a curious phenomenon. Thirty years later, I had a university position. I had tenure. I could study things without worrying about what other people thought about them. This is a very liberating thing. Nobody except university professors have tenure in the world, it makes you an aristocrat right off the bat. You can do what you like as long as you do your work, which I always did.
Q. We’ve seen a lot of studies showing that human perception is a very spotty thing. People have a way of even inventing memories; sometimes when more than one person claims to see something, they start talking to each other and can affect each others’ accounts, for example
A. I cover all of this stuff [in my book] including everything you’ve talked about, because I’ve investigated some of these things professionally myself. I can assure you the evidence that survives a critical look at what might have contributed to those reports is sound evidence.
Q. Are we talking about physical evidence?
A. Now anybody can take a photograph from the Internet, jazz things up in Photoshop. So a photograph is worthless as evidence in and of itself. But when you get multiple photographs, or photographs taken by gun cameras on a fighter plane chasing UFOs — of which there are several examples — or radar plots taken during a UFO chase. You’ll find there is a tremendous amount of corroborative evidence.
Q. Just because we don’t always know what’s seen on these types of tapes doesn’t mean that’s proof that it’s extraterrestrial.
A. No, but what else is it? What you have to do is you have to eliminate the other probable causes … and what you begin to build up is a collection of evidence that stands the sniping of people who say it can’t be therefore it isn’t.
Q. From a psychological perspective, when we hear about people getting abducted by aliens, do you not think that on the balance of probabilities that a more plausible explanation is that there is an element of self delusion, or waking nightmares at play here? Do you not think there is a more plausible explanation for these reports than the idea that there is an alien species coming down to Earth to kidnap humans?
A. That is a plausible explanation for many of the reports, but not all of the reports, I agree with you. I also said evidence for abduction is that is a balance of probable evidence, not beyond reasonable doubt.
Q. Don’t you think the balance of probability favours a much less glamorous, much more human explanation that our perceptions are flawed?
A. No.
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---morbidpete wrote:I feel the universe is just to large for earth to be the only life form.
My feelings exactly morbidpete, plus the fact there have been too many sightings by many reputable observers, astronauts, pilots, military, radar operators and on it goes. Many mass sightings as well have been reported and from all around the globe. Surely they all can't be weather balloons as they would have us believe.
The British & Russians are far more forthcoming that the N. American Governments when it comes to recognizing of these sightings.
Just perhaps these aliens are the ones responsible for McDonalds, BurgerKing, PizzaPizza, In & Out Burger etc who are doing their best to fatten us up as the aliens need a new food source.
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If you took our galaxy "The milky way" and looked at every star in it and the surrounding planets (like our solar system) for one second...
It would take you 5000 years to look at each one and decide if there was life. Multiply that by the number of galaxies.
Life is out there without a doubt.
It would take you 5000 years to look at each one and decide if there was life. Multiply that by the number of galaxies.
Life is out there without a doubt.
Nutty like squirrel terds!!!
---SlyOneDoofy wrote:If you took our galaxy "The milky way" and looked at every star in it and the surrounding planets (like our solar system) for one second...
It would take you 5000 years to look at each one and decide if there was life. Multiply that by the number of galaxies.
Life is out there without a doubt.
Like Leatherneck said SlyOneDoofy, the odds are pretty good thats true.
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When you look into the sky, countless stars are seen in only the small portion that you are viewing. Each typically with it's own solar system. Quite arrogant to think that we are the only intelligent life...
IMHO, travel and size is the problem. With so many systems, even if travel was possible, think of how much time would be involved to visit all of them...
IMHO, travel and size is the problem. With so many systems, even if travel was possible, think of how much time would be involved to visit all of them...
---Ken wrote:When you look into the sky, countless stars are seen in only the small portion that you are viewing. Each typically with it's own solar system. Quite arrogant to think that we are the only intelligent life...
IMHO, travel and size is the problem. With so many systems, even if travel was possible, think of how much time would be involved to visit all of them...
Very true Ken
I oft wondered when the movies ET & Close Encounters came out if the government where preparing us for the eventual meeting of an alien culture. We know mass panic would erupt if this was to take place but if they could somehow put a friendly face on it perhaps it would be more acceptable, as surely the government is knowing of their existence.
Hope your feeling better Ken
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---YARDofSTUF wrote:I don't really buy into the Abduction stuff, but it seems crazy that we would be the only planet with life.
Seen some weird things that are tough to explain, but who knows if they were UFO related.
Hi YARDofSTUF
Thats the tough one, but personally i do believe it myself. So many have talked about it with basically much the same stories as to what took place and how else can i explain my X Wife who was a great gal & then turned into a complete bitch after being away for a couple of days.
I'm sure in your lifetime something will come about to remove all doubt as we get more and more encounters with these beings. My only hope is they are friendly.
I still recall an episode of the Twilight Zone wherein a ship landed on earth and the lead alien put an end to all wars and fighting and brought about wonderful changes to earths people.
He always appeared in long robes and always carried a large book with some writing on the cover that a group of scientists tried to decode. The aliens offered to take people to their planet that they described as wonderful without war or hardship of any kind, the only thing they said was that most if not all who traveled their never wished to come back such was the beauty of their planet.
People lined up to go and as stated never returned to earth again. In the meantime the scientists worked feverishly on decoding the book cover that the head alien always carried with him.
Welll finally it was the lead scientists turn to go with a few of his compatriots and as they where walking to the steps of the spacecraft one of the fellow scientists came bursting onto the scene and yelled out to the group that they had finally broken the code and the title of the book was "To Serve Man, it's a cookbook!"
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Every point of light is a GALAXY... So, what he said^^^RaisinCain wrote:I believe it is very arrogant of us to think that we're all alone here. Then again, maybe we are all just living in a petri dish after all.
Every normal man must be tempted at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
I often wonder if the voices in my head ever get frustrated because I'm just too damn lazy to climb that clock tower.
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I often wonder if the voices in my head ever get frustrated because I'm just too damn lazy to climb that clock tower.
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I believe the original photo is like 2 megs if you can find it.
Every normal man must be tempted at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
I often wonder if the voices in my head ever get frustrated because I'm just too damn lazy to climb that clock tower.
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I often wonder if the voices in my head ever get frustrated because I'm just too damn lazy to climb that clock tower.
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Every normal man must be tempted at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
I often wonder if the voices in my head ever get frustrated because I'm just too damn lazy to climb that clock tower.
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I often wonder if the voices in my head ever get frustrated because I'm just too damn lazy to climb that clock tower.
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Great episode! One of my all time favorite TZ's. I am going to have to re-watch it now...minir wrote:---
I still recall an episode of the Twilight Zone wherein a ship landed on earth and the lead alien put an end to all wars and fighting and brought about wonderful changes to earths people.
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The Big Bang Theory is only an unproved theory. The authors of this universe have not paid much attention to the Earth since its creation. Just gaze outward on a clear night and you will see where they have been hard at work. It's quite arrogant to think that the Earth is the only place harboring Life, an opinion begun by terrified priests and shamans long ago, which, unfortunately, has been accepted by far too many people, themselves afraid to question such authority. The major religions of the last few millenia have moral codes forbidding that questioning, the purpose of which is to apparently ensure their endurance. To that I say, "Humbug." We are not alone!
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If it is not true for you, it isn't true.
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and command you to believe it or else.
If it is not true for you, it isn't true.
LRH
---TonyT wrote:The Big Bang Theory is only an unproved theory. The authors of this universe have not paid much attention to the Earth since its creation. Just gaze outward on a clear night and you will see where they have been hard at work. It's quite arrogant to think that the Earth is the only place harboring Life, an opinion begun by terrified priests and shamans long ago, which, unfortunately, has been accepted by far too many people, themselves afraid to question such authority. The major religions of the last few millenia have moral codes forbidding that questioning, the purpose of which is to apparently ensure their endurance. To that I say, "Humbug." We are not alone!
I agree completely TonyT .
I wonder if those that we question exist, are fed the same BS by their leaders as we are here?
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Those two concepts are an intended trap, designed to confuse and confound.Leatherneck wrote:As smart as man may become can anyone ever comprehend "Something from nothing" or "Always was"? Neither make a lick of sense at our capacity but we're kind of stuck believing one or the other.
The truth is there is no such thing as a physical past or physical future, the past and future exist only in minds.
Thus, a truer statement would be "Always is", or better yet, "In the beginning and forever is the decision, and the decision is to be."
Decide that something is, and uphold that decision and it exists for the observer. Alter the perception a bit, get agreement on its existence and it begins to persist.
The idea of "something from nothing" requires that one disagree with basic laws of physics, e.g. matter cannot be created or destroyed and no two objects can occupy the same space in the same time. These laws have great value in life. Fail to apply them and you end up in the hospital. But, another law of physics is, "there are no absolutes," meaning that no law stands to be true 100% of the time. The latter has already been proved to be somewhat untrue at, I believe CERN, when two particles occupied the same space at the same time and the result was the complete disappearing of both of them. Thus, "nothing from something" is possible.
The average person has experienced this too. Ever drop a coin or an object and it disappears completely? I mean, in an open area, where nothing could possibly be hidden from view, you have something in your possession, and then lose possession and the thing just vanishes? That's happened to me several times in my life. There are no absolutes.
IMHO, understanding those two concepts above requires an understanding of the un-physical, i.e. spiritual concepts. Some physicists and psychologists would have us believe that there's no such thing as a soul or spirit, and boldly state, "all is physical." But, that something cannot be easily perceived does not mean it doesn't exist. Perhaps these things can easily be perceived but the adherents to the all-is-physical philosophy just lack perception.
Something from nothing. Easy. Think a brand new thought. Did is exist prior to thinking it? Does that thought exist for others yet? Not until you communicate it. Is it physical by nature? Not until you communicate it. Who's to say that a thought cannot be "thunk into existence" and then perceived by others as something actually physical? I mean, you create a thought about an apple and suddenly an apple exists in the palm of another. While this is quite impossible per laws of physics, and quite unbelievable, it is not 100% impossible. Similar inexplicable feats have been documented throughout man's history. What I get from that is that we don't know enough about the laws of physics and the laws of the soul. We are only beginning to understand these things.
And I believe that civilizations elsewhere in this universe have a greater understanding of those two things.
No one has any right to force data on you
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If it is not true for you, it isn't true.
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and command you to believe it or else.
If it is not true for you, it isn't true.
LRH
There was a quote from a movie that i saw some years ago... I cant remember the movie but the quote stuck with me, basically stated says "your generation wondered if? but my generation was always wondered when..."
Every normal man must be tempted at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
I often wonder if the voices in my head ever get frustrated because I'm just too damn lazy to climb that clock tower.
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I often wonder if the voices in my head ever get frustrated because I'm just too damn lazy to climb that clock tower.
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So, you are saying that you cannot have a completely brand new thought?Leatherneck wrote:Nah, bad analogy. The thoughts come from my mind and are from things already realized even if seemingly random.
Another example of something from nothing: In 1967, the song titled "Hey Jude" did not yet exist. The song was created by McCartney in 1968 while driving in a car to Lennon's house.
At one time, the thought/idea for such a song never existed. The artist had the thought at a certain moment in time and then expanded upon it with brand new thoughts and brand new ideas and created a song. One can say that the writing of a song is a combination of old thoughts, arranged to produce a new song. That may true for some songs. But I assure you, the original thought to create a song is itself a brand new thought.
To deny that is to say that there's no such thing as a brand new original thought, it's to say that all thought has existed before. This puts you right back in the trappings of "Always was". The philosophy of "God is, always was, and always will be" is nothing short of an attempt to strip man of his originality, to make man less than he is capable of, to reduce man to slavery.
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If it is not true for you, it isn't true.
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and command you to believe it or else.
If it is not true for you, it isn't true.
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Were you under the influence of alcohol or drugs at the time? In my 46 years of life, I've never had something "just vanish" like that on me. Oh I've lost things, plenty of times, or dropped things..and couldn't find them. Only to find them later. Bottom line was, I just didn't pay attention, or I forgot. All in the head. Usually found them later, and my mind was in a better state...and a logical explanation revealed itself.TonyT wrote: Ever drop a coin or an object and it disappears completely? I mean, in an open area, where nothing could possibly be hidden from view, you have something in your possession, and then lose possession and the thing just vanishes? That's happened to me several times in my life. There are no absolutes.
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As to "no such thing as a physical past or a physical future"....I can't accept that. I'm 46 years old, I can attest to 46 years of all the experiences life can throw at me, and then some, on this sphere that orbits our run. I have a physical future...I will die. I have a physical past...I was born. Before I was born...I was not. However, my parents were...and prior to that, my grandparents..so on and so forth.
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