obama, where was he born?

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:46 am

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downhill · Post by **downhill** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:10 am

As an independent motion picture company, funded by Rupert Murdoch, we've taken it upon ourselves.....

Sorry Gixxer, but allegations put forth here are pretty baseless. I mean to say, more monies have been spent looking into Obama's past than we likely spend on looking for real terrorists in this country. Think about that for a minute.

Do you really think that the FBI haven't been instructed to look into his past? As well as the NSA and god knows who else?

That said, it would be nice for once, when you put up one of your posts, to at least comment on it.

Funny thing, a family who my wife provides care for, told her the other day that Obama was a Muslim?

1. Who cares?

2. It's been proved false and reported on, over and over and over, yet this myth persists among people who only hear what they want to hear.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:10 am

Who really knows, but even if he wasn't a natural US citizen, a lot of his supporters and MSM would be willing to overlook that little fact just because he represents "Change"...whatever that means.

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:11 am

JBrazen wrote:Who really knows, but even if he wasn't a natural US citizen, a lot of his supporters and MSM would be willing to overlook that little fact just because he represents "Change"...whatever that means.

No they wouldn't and by the way, McCain doesn't represent change.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:13 am

downhill wrote:Funny thing, a family who my wife provides care for, told her the other day that Obama was a Muslim?

1. Who cares?

2. It's been proved false and reported on, over and over and over, yet this myth persists among people who only hear what they want to hear.

It's important to keep the myth alive for the next 8 days in the hopes that it will sway the undecided votes towards McCain.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:14 am

downhill wrote:No they wouldn't and by the way, McCain doesn't represent change.

Neither of them do.

Nader '08!!!

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:15 am

LOL.....you got me.

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:19 am

downhill wrote:Sorry Gixxer, but allegations put forth here are pretty baseless. I mean to say, more monies have been spent looking into Obama's past than we likely spend on looking for real terrorists in this country. Think about that for a minute.

Do you really think that the FBI haven't been instructed to look into his past? As well as the NSA and god knows who else?

That said, it would be nice for once, when you put up one of your posts, to at least comment on it.

Funny thing, a family who my wife provides care for, told her the other day that Obama was a Muslim?

1. Who cares?

2. It's been proved false and reported on, over and over and over, yet this myth persists among people who only hear what they want to hear.

email i got from a friend after i told them i was voting for obama. if there is no truth, then why doesn't he release the paperwork (which is what it says in the video) he was asked for?

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:44 am

Obama was born a U.S. citizen. It's amazing how much people want to believe otherwise.

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:47 am

Dunno. Probably because it's baseless. If he wasn't born a U.S. citizen, there wouldn't be any way he could run for the Presidency. Do you think the White House, congress, the justice department and the news core would ignore that?

Tell you what. Send an email to his campaign. They'll get back to you as Obama's been facing down most of this stuff. Unlike Kerry of 2004.

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:59 am

downhill wrote:Dunno. Probably because it's baseless. If he wasn't born a U.S. citizen, there wouldn't be any way he could run for the Presidency. Do you think the White House, congress, the justice department and the news core would ignore that?

Tell you what. Send an email to his campaign. They'll get back to you as Obama's been facing down most of this stuff. Unlike Kerry of 2004.

obama's camp keeps calling me asking for help because i am a member of the "sierra club", whatever that is. i will ask one when they call again. i knew you had to be a natural born citizen so did not think there was a lot of substance to it.

David · Post by **David** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:01 am

downhill wrote:Do you think the White House, congress, the justice department and the news core would ignore that?

A real crack group you have right there!

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:02 am

The Sierra club is a conservation club for saving some of the most beautiful places in America.

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:03 am

David wrote:A real crack group you have right there!

Ok, one out of four ain't bad.....

Wait.....

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:06 am

downhill wrote:The Sierra club is a conservation club for saving some of the most beautiful places in America.

they said i had signed up for it at some point, but i do not remember.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:29 am

I am going to be happy when this election is over. As much as I enjoy politics I am tired of being surrounded by all the Anti-Obama hate. Whether it's forum boards or my job there is alot of BS going around.

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:38 am

Roody wrote:I am going to be happy when this election is over. As much as I enjoy politics I am tired of being surrounded by all the Anti-Obama hate. Whether it's forum boards or my job there is alot of BS going around.

Same here..except..the BS comes from both sides. It's turned into the biggest most pathetic circus I've seen.

Hey...there's even talk about Joe the plumber going for congress. I guess 5 minutes of fame can lead to another 10 minutes of fame.

David · Post by **David** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:43 am

Roody wrote:I am going to be happy when this election is over. As much as I enjoy politics I am tired of being surrounded by all the Anti-Obama hate. Whether it's forum boards or my job there is alot of BS going around.

It is a bit rough with all the campaigning nonsense. The focus on racism amongst white voters is as such, that if Obama were to lose, somehow bigotry would be considered the reason. The news is a bit different in the NorthEast, I suppose

Post by **Philip** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:05 pm

The argument that he's not a citized has been refuted in court more than once.

In that latest accusation the judge ruled that Berg's attempts to use certain laws to gain standing to pursue his claim that Obama was not a natural-born citizen were "frivolous and not worthy of discussion."

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/33294494.html
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008 ... e_usa.html
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/bi ... ficate.asp

It's just another smear tactic imho.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:16 pm

YeOldeStonecat wrote:Same here..except..the BS comes from both sides. It's turned into the biggest most pathetic circus I've seen.

Hey...there's even talk about Joe the plumber going for congress. I guess 5 minutes of fame can lead to another 10 minutes of fame.

It does come from both sides, but I can honestly say in my lifetime I have never seen the kind of smear tactics Obama has faced. Somehow I doubt he would get the same level of issues if his name was Matt Smith and not Barack Obama.

David · Post by **David** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:27 pm

Roody wrote:It does come from both sides, but I can honestly say in my lifetime I have never seen the kind of smear tactics Obama has faced. Somehow I doubt he would get the same level of issues if his name was Matt Smith and not Barack Obama.

No questioning that his race has had some effect, both positive and negative. I would stress that he is facing the GOP machine that tore apart a decorated Vietnam war veteran for the sake of an election.

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:03 pm

David wrote:No questioning that his race has had some effect, both positive and negative. I would stress that he is facing the GOP machine that tore apart a decorated Vietnam war veteran for the sake of an election.

Two of them and almost three.

Don't forget Max Clealand and Bob Kerrey.

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:04 pm

JBrazen wrote:Who really knows, but even if he wasn't a natural US citizen, a lot of his supporters and MSM would be willing to overlook that little fact just because he represents "Change"...whatever that means.

How did you come to this conclusion that his supporters would be willing to overlook that little fact? Have you canvassed the entire liberal front? Is this an opinion or are you trying to tell us that this is a fact?

Change means the opposite of the status quo....which is what the Republican party bases their ideology on....the status quo. Conservatism is rooted in the status quo.

Do you attend Republican functions where party members discuss the ideology of the party?

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:20 pm

Gixxer wrote:[YOUTUBE]pWTs1YyhFRg[/YOUTUBE]

In my estimation and humble opinion....if I were posting this video, I would do it for one of two reasons:

1. I would post it because I want to stir the pot. I'm looking for controversy and I know better but do it anyway.

2. I'm completely ignorant and have no clue if Obama is a US citizen or not. I just like to post stuff that causes controversy.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:25 pm

I said a lot, never said all. And yes, there are plenty of people that would not care if he wasn't a US citizen, since he represents "Change". I KNOW people that don't care about his citizenship status. Change shmange, he'll just be another schmuck in office. Neither one of these clowns represent "Change".

My name is JBrazen, a biracial American not voting for Obama, and I approve this message.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:27 pm

UOD wrote:In my estimation and humble opinion....if I were posting this video, I would do it for one of two reasons:

1. I would post it because I want to stir the pot. I'm looking for controversy and I know better but do it anyway.

2. I'm completely ignorant and have no clue if Obama is a US citizen or not. I just like to post stuff that causes controversy.

Well, without these kind of posts, forums would be a pretty boring place, would they not?

Indy · Post by **Indy** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:37 pm

Gixxer wrote:email i got from a friend after i told them i was voting for obama. if there is no truth, then why doesn't he release the paperwork (which is what it says in the video) he was asked for?

This paperwork?

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:40 pm

That certificate is supposed to have a some sort of Seal like the one below, which is where the controversy lies.

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:43 pm

JBrazen wrote:Well, without these kind of posts, forums would be a pretty boring place, would they not?

Did you support my request for a separate politics/religious forum?

So you readily admit that these political discussions is what brings excitement to the gen forum?

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:45 pm

UOD wrote:Did you support my request for a separate politics/religious forum?

So you readily admit that these political discussions is what brings excitement to the gen forum?

Yes and Yes.

A separate Political/Religion sub forum wouldn't be a bad idea. I visit other forums that have them and it helps to keep the drama out of the Gen Pop.

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:49 pm

JBrazen wrote:I said a lot, never said all. And yes, there are plenty of people that would not care if he wasn't a US citizen, since he represents "Change". I KNOW people that don't care about his citizenship status. Change shmange, he'll just be another schmuck in office. Neither one of these clowns represent "Change".

My name is JBrazen, a biracial American not voting for Obama, and I approve this message.

Just because you know people doesn't quantify the phrase "alot". I know loads of people. How many is alot? Can you prove that alot of people wouldn't care if he were not a citizen even though it would be unconstitutional for him to run as a non-citizen?

I will agree that the more things "change", the more they stay the same.

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:50 pm

JBrazen wrote:Yes and Yes.

A separate Political/Religion sub forum wouldn't be a bad idea. I visit other forums that have them and it helps to keep the drama out of the Gen Pop.

Thanks for your support and understanding.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:53 pm

UOD wrote:Just because you know people doesn't quantify the phrase "alot". I know loads of people. How many is alot? Can you prove that alot of people wouldn't care if he were not a citizen even though it would be unconstitutional for him to run as a non-citizen?

I will agree that the more things "change", the more they stay the same.

I base my opinion on the notion that the people that I know aren't even on the extreme side and they'd sooner want Obama in office, regardless of status, than another Republican. So, if they're not even extreme and they'd like to see him in office regardless, then the ones that are really extreme, and there are a lot of them, well, they'd most likely wouldn't care if he won the Presidency either.

And yes, this is all opinion, I have yet to contact Zogby to make this an official poll.

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:09 pm

JBrazen wrote:I base my opinion on the notion that the people that I know aren't even on the extreme side and they'd sooner want Obama in office, regardless of status, than another Republican. So, if they're not even extreme and they'd like to see him in office regardless, then the ones that are really extreme, and there are a lot of them, well, they'd most likely wouldn't care if he won the Presidency either.

And yes, this is all opinion, I have yet to contact Zogby to make this an official poll.

Thanks for clearing that up. If Obama were foreign...I would not want him as President. But it wouldn't matter anyway because the Constitution doesn't allow for it....unless Bush changed that as well.

Leatherneck · Post by **Leatherneck** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:10 pm

"obama, where was he born?"

In a Uterus I presume.

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:34 pm

Leatherneck wrote:"obama, where was he born?"

In a Uterus I presume.

I thought the messiah was born in a manger.

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:22 am

UOD wrote:In my estimation and humble opinion....if I were posting this video, I would do it for one of two reasons:

1. I would post it because I want to stir the pot. I'm looking for controversy and I know better but do it anyway.

2. I'm completely ignorant and have no clue if Obama is a US citizen or not. I just like to post stuff that causes controversy.

you are right. you would do this because of the reasons you listed. me on the other hand, do not know for a fact if he is and have no documentation/proof to say he is. as far as you saying philip slamming me for posting this. uhhhhhh, where?

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:26 am

UOD wrote:Did you support my request for a separate politics/religious forum?

So you readily admit that these political discussions is what brings excitement to the gen forum?

not the discussions, it is people like you who "sitr the pot" and cannot have a civil discussion.

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:27 am

Indy wrote:This paperwork?

i am not sure. my cousin had a BC that said she was 21 when in fact she was 19.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:41 am

It shows how weak both candidates issues are, and how easily swayed the jerry springer fan voter is, that this late in the game they still haven't said anything concrete and important yet.