DSL and Cable not ready for PUBLIC use!

libra1014 · Post by **libra1014** » Mon Mar 12, 2001 10:41 am

Cable and DSL Companies STINK!!!! I may have a short temper regarding DSL and Cable issues, but seeing this forum, and seeing how everyone are having DEFINITE problems with them is truly unbelievable. I really do believe that the KNOW HOW is not quite there yet before rolling it out to the public. Just like being a great doctor/lawyer. You can't go be a great doctor/lawyer after 1 year of med school. Just that impossible. Does anyone else agree with me? Why are we having such problems? Did they (comm co's) not tested everything before letting it run and charging people for their MEDIOCRE services? I really think that some of those companies are such RIP OFFS. Also, I do not see 56K or ISDN having such major problems. This is truly ridiculous. Sorry if I offended anyone, this is just to share my opinion. Thank you.

glc1 · Post by **glc1** » Mon Mar 12, 2001 10:45 am

There's nothing wrong w/ either technology. Both are pretty solid. It's incompetence and poor business practices.

aagiants · Post by **aagiants** » Mon Mar 12, 2001 2:21 pm

there are so many variable too that the companys have to deal with too, Diffrent comps, and tweaks, OS, and other stuff like that. Everyone uses there comp for a diffrent reason

glc1 · Post by **glc1** » Mon Mar 12, 2001 2:26 pm

Originally posted by aagiants:
there are so many variable too that the companys have to deal with too, Diffrent comps, and tweaks, OS, and other stuff like that.

The majority of the problems can be attributed to the provider's end (incompetence, head-end problem, outage, etc.) or user's house--suspect cabling, too many splitters, too many TVs on the cable modem leg, etc.

[ 03-12-2001: Message edited by: glc1 ]

libra1014 · Post by **libra1014** » Mon Mar 12, 2001 4:40 pm

that's why their stocks are going downhill where they belong. Still unacceptable

fail66 · Post by **fail66** » Mon Mar 12, 2001 7:41 pm

Not sure I can agree with you, glc1, on most of the problems are on the provider end. I am a cable installer and most of the trouble calls that I roll out on is customer error. Ever since cable internet has come to our town, we have had only 2 outages. 1 was a contractor cut a fiber line, and the other was an ice storm. Usually its either a kid or an "uneducated" dad that tried to install a speed tweak or set up an email without reading the instructions. Occasionally a customer tries to put a splitter in to add a tv. I even had a customer add a Radio Shack amp thinking it would make cable speeds faster, DOH.
I am not syaing we don't have our problems, however, I like to believe that we provide far better support than any other internet provider in our area.

My 2 cents

glc1 · Post by **glc1** » Mon Mar 12, 2001 7:45 pm

Originally posted by fail66:
Not sure I can agree with you, glc1, on most of the problems are on the provider end. I am a cable installer and most of the trouble calls that I roll out on is customer error. Ever since cable internet has come to our town, we have had only 2 outages. 1 was a contractor cut a fiber line, and the other was an ice storm. Usually its either a kid or an "uneducated" dad that tried to install a speed tweak or set up an email without reading the instructions. Occasionally a customer tries to put a splitter in to add a tv. I even had a customer add a Radio Shack amp thinking it would make cable speeds faster, DOH.
I am not syaing we don't have our problems, however, I like to believe that we provide far better support than any other internet provider in our area.

My 2 cents

Your area must be different than my area.

Duzmor · Post by **Duzmor** » Mon Mar 12, 2001 7:49 pm

I agree what Libra1014 says- But If I hooked the computer up to a 56kv90 set up I would be back to cable in 2 sec (look what we have)
Duzmor

legalmind · Post by **legalmind** » Mon Mar 12, 2001 10:03 pm

Never had a real problem here.
Have never posted a problem post.
100% up time since I moved to an area with with no phone poles, all underground.
1.5 megs for 24.95! Sure beats AOL for what$?

KavMan · Post by **KavMan** » Mon Mar 12, 2001 10:33 pm

Don't have any problems with cable
Optimum Online rocks!!!

Hardcore_gamer · Post by **Hardcore_gamer** » Mon Mar 12, 2001 11:29 pm

Fail66, would you happen to be the Cgocable cable tech I pointed this board out to in Kingston?

If so, my service still stinks. From 3pm till 2am nothing but 160+ pings on trace routes to my DNS #'s, and game servers on @home. Two months ago I was getting 9ms-30ms on trace routes to those #'s during primetime. Something Stinks....

nullHere's one to my DNS

Analysis: '24.226.1.42' was found in 4 hops (TTL=251). But, the node is losing packets. Connections to HTTP port 80 are being rejected.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Hop | %Loss | IP Address | Node Name | Location | Tzone | ms | Graph | Network |
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
| 0 | | 24.141.XXX.XX | d141-XXX-XX.home.cgocable.net | * | | | | Cogeco Cable Solutions |
| 1 | | 10.69.68.1 | - | ... | | 10 | x-- | (private use) |
| 2 | | 24.226.8.1 | d226-8-1.home.cgocable.net | ?(Canada) | -5.0 | 10 | x- | Cogeco Cable Solutions |
| 3 | | 10.66.0.9 | - | ... | | 170 | x- | (private use) |
| 4 | 20 | 24.226.1.42 | dhcp2.cgocable.net | ?(Canada) | -5.0 | 175 | x- | Cogeco Cable Solutions |
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
VisualRoute Report for 24.226.1.42 produced at 11:18 PM on March 12, 2001.
Roundtrip time to 24.226.1.42 (24.226.1.42) average = 175ms min = 169ms max = 182

Game server.

Analysis: '24.112.88.93' was found in 8 hops (TTL=248). It is a HTTP server (running Apache-AdvancedExtranetServer/1.3.14
(Linux-Mandrake/2mdk) mod_ssl/2.7.1 OpenSSL/0.9.5a PHP/4.0.3pl1).

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Hop | %Loss | IP Address | Node Name | Location | Tzone | ms | Graph | Network |
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
| 0 | | 24.141.XXX.XX | d141-XXX-XX.home.cgocable.net | * | | | | Cogeco Cable Solutions |
| 1 | | 10.69.68.1 | - | ... | | 9 | x- | (private use) |
| 2 | | 24.226.8.1 | d226-8-1.home.cgocable.net | ?(Canada) | -5.0 | 10 | x | Cogeco Cable Solutions |
| 3 | | 10.66.0.9 | - | ... | | 177 | --x-- | (private use) |
| 4 | | 24.226.1.1 | cgowave-busy-core.cgocable.net | ?(Canada) | -5.0 | 176 | -x | Cogeco Cable Solutions |
| 5 | | 24.226.0.202 | cgowave-0-202.cgocable.net | ?(Canada) | -5.0 | 179 | -x- | Cogeco Cable Solutions |
| 6 | | 10.0.185.33 | - | ... | | 175 | x- | (private use) |
| 7 | | 10.0.184.2 | | | | 178 | -x- | (private use) |
| 8 | | 24.112.88.93 | cr553743-a.flfrd1.on.wave.home.com | ?--- | | 180 | -x- | Rogers WAVE |
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
VisualRoute Report for 24.112.88.93 produced at 11:26 PM on March 12, 2001.
Roundtrip time to 24.112.88.93 (24.112.88.93) average = 180ms min = 171ms max = 218ms

Here are my settings also, so you can mostlikely rule that out. Btw no splitters, no radio shack gadgets etc.

TCP options string = 020405b00103030201010402

MTU = 1496
MTU is fully optimized for broadband.

MSS = 1456
Maximum useful data in each packet = 1456, which is equal to MSS.

Default Receive Window (RWIN) = 256960
RWIN Scaling (RFC1323) = 2 bits
Unscaled Receive Window = 64240
For optimum performance, consider changing RWIN to a multiple of MSS.
Other values for RWIN that might work well with your current MTU/MSS:
512512 (MSS x 44 * scale factor of 8)
256256 (MSS x 44 * scale factor of 4)
128128 (MSS x 44 * scale factor of 2)
64064 (MSS x 44)

bandwidth * delay product:
Your RcvWindow limits you to: 10278.4 kbps (1284.8 KBytes/s) @ 200ms
Your RcvWindow limits you to: 4111.36 kbps (513.92 KBytes/s) @ 500ms

MTU Discovery (RFC1191) = ON

Time to live left = 50 hops
TTL value is ok.

Timestamps (RFC1323) = OFF

Selective Acknowledgements (RFC2018) = ON

IP type of service field (RFC1349)= 00000000

btw I've had it at MTU at 1500 and MSS at 1460 with no difference in quality.

Storm90 · Post by **Storm90** » Tue Mar 13, 2001 12:28 am

Your bottom read out is not bad. Your Pings are bad. But their is a site that can help you with that. www.regedit.com under network on the site. read some of the tweaks and you will fin d the one that will help you. If not email me.

fail66 · Post by **fail66** » Tue Mar 13, 2001 9:08 am

Sorry Hardcore_gamer, not me. My area is in MN.