liberal and conservative views ... help

Incognito · Post by **Incognito** » Mon Oct 13, 2003 11:25 pm

can someone lead me to a website ( NON - BIAS !! ) that explains the very basic ideas and viewpoints of both liberals and conservatives? I can't find one that doesn't contain bias information...

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Mon Oct 13, 2003 11:37 pm

Your probably going to find some spin on almost any site.

Try the dictionary. Altough them ideas that define each, arn't exactly on the money either.

I sent you a pm with a link to a very biased site but for the record...it's not far off and very informative.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Mon Oct 13, 2003 11:56 pm

it is easy, just remember below:

conservatives always right and liberals think they always right =)

Jim · Post by **Jim** » Mon Oct 13, 2003 11:58 pm

Originally posted by Ghosthunter
it is easy, just remember below:

conservatives always right and liberals think they always right =)

This is a repost, but it fits the topic.

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Tue Oct 14, 2003 12:01 am

Originally posted by Ghosthunter
it is easy, just remember below:

conservatives always right and liberals think they always right =)

Links? Besides Freepers?

I predict that within 6 posts...GH is going to pop back in and say........

Conservatives are for

Less government, less taxes, less regulation, freedom to choose, keeping our military strong, taking responisbility for own actions, and not blaming others for it but only after the fact

Jim, Doonsbury kills me. LOL

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Tue Oct 14, 2003 3:40 am

Ghosthunter=Conservative

Blisster,Jayyy=Liberal

Here is a great question for you to study...it will help tie it all together for you.

Do the needs of the individual come before the needs of free enterprise? What does the Constitution protect...individual freedom or corporate freedom?

Illini25 · Post by **Illini25** » Tue Oct 14, 2003 8:23 am

Originally posted by UOD
Ghosthunter, Illini25=Conservative

Blisster,Jayyy=Liberal

Fixed

chilt · Post by **chilt** » Tue Oct 14, 2003 8:26 am

Originally posted by Incognito
can someone lead me to a website ( NON - BIAS !! ) that explains the very basic ideas and viewpoints of both liberals and conservatives? I can't find one that doesn't contain bias information...

Join the club!

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Tue Oct 14, 2003 8:39 am

OK I will explain simple what the average conservative believes:

Less government, less taxes, less regulation, freedom to choose, keeping our military strong, taking responisbility for own actions, and not blaming others for it

Travlin_Man · Post by **Travlin_Man** » Tue Oct 14, 2003 11:46 am

Ghosthunter,,, watch yer step... Downhill seems to know you to well.

Got any other predictions Downhill?

Illini25 · Post by **Illini25** » Tue Oct 14, 2003 12:19 pm

Originally posted by Ghosthunter
OK I will explain simple what the average conservative believes:

Less government, less taxes, less regulation, freedom to choose, keeping our military strong, taking responisbility for own actions, and not blaming others for it

Couldnt say it any better myself.

Being self employeed, I dont want the government nosing into my business wanting more and more tax money so that the people being out of a job and unemployed on welfare is the best way of life and not determined on getting a job.

brembo · Post by **brembo** » Tue Oct 14, 2003 12:20 pm

Originally posted by Illini25
Couldnt say it any better myself. Being self employeed, I dont want the government nosing into my business wanting more and more tax money so that the people being out of a job and unemployed on welfare is the best way of life and not determined on getting a job.

Uh...folks thats more libertarian than conservative.

Zilog B · Post by **Zilog B** » Tue Oct 14, 2003 12:22 pm

http://www.lp.org/issues/

3rd party spam for Illini.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Tue Oct 14, 2003 12:48 pm

Originally posted by brembo
Uh...folks thats more libertarian than conservative.

i do admit I have some libertarian in me on certain issues

so might have convuluted them

Illini25 · Post by **Illini25** » Tue Oct 14, 2003 1:53 pm

Originally posted by brembo
Uh...folks thats more libertarian than conservative.

Yeah, im alittle libertarian....but mostly conservative on the most part.

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Tue Oct 14, 2003 2:00 pm

Conservatism is maintaining the status quo, keeping the king, and all the king's men...in power. It's tradition. It's the class system.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Tue Oct 14, 2003 2:36 pm

Originally posted by UOD
Conservatism is maintaining the status quo, keeping the king, and all the king's men...in power. It's tradition. It's the class system.

I disagree it is about empowering people to make their own choices instead of relying on the government to make it for them.

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Tue Oct 14, 2003 2:44 pm

Originally posted by Ghosthunter
I disagree it is about empowering people to make their own choices instead of relying on the government to make it for them.

Then you are NOT a true conservative!

Don't worry....neither am I.

Multiculturalism...it's the basis for our way of life in America....and why the two party system is flawed. Two parties can't accomodate the masses.

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Tue Oct 14, 2003 2:49 pm

Originally posted by Ghosthunter
I disagree it is about empowering people to make their own choices instead of relying on the government to make it for them.

In fact, you are more of a liberal (in denial) by your own definition!

4. How do liberals differ from "libertarians" and "conservatives"?

Once upon a time (in the 1800s), "liberal" and "libertarian" meant the same thing; both were individualist, distrustful of state power, pro-free-market, and opposed to the entrenched privilege of the feudal and mercantilist system. After 1870, models of of society were being refined in terms of the structural effects of group interaction; the social environment came to be seen as a significant factor in determining the ability of large numbers of people to succeed in attaining their goals (and indeed in determining what those goals were). Libertarians felt that any attempt to solve social problems had to depend on private, voluntary effort, and that modifying social factors would inevitably lead to worse problems. Liberals felt that the problems were too serious to be passively left to chance in this way, and that government should have a role in influencing the social framework within which people act. Economically, liberals came to believe that pure free markets led to systematic abuse, so that a limited amount of regulation was needed; libertarians continued to favour the caveat emptor approach. By this time, conservatives had become comfortable with the free-market, capitalist system, so they joined forces with the libertarians on the economic (though not the social) front.

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Tue Oct 14, 2003 6:33 pm

Originally posted by Illini25
Couldnt say it any better myself. Being self employeed, I dont want the government nosing into my business wanting more and more tax money so that the people being out of a job and unemployed on welfare is the best way of life and not determined on getting a job.

Interesting....so your taxes really only go to those slobs that won't work? I wasn't aware that taxes only funded the lazy to continue their debauchery.....scoundrels...one and all......* as I hitch up my horse and buggy to take me over dirt roads with bandits at every corner to take whats rightfully mine while I ponder my grocery list..*

I always make sure I take a loaded gun before I leave suburbia.

Ghosthunter,,, watch yer step... Downhill seems to know you to well.

Got any other predictions Downhill?

Yes....any minute now, GH is going to ask what my political vent really is...

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Tue Oct 14, 2003 7:04 pm

Originally posted by UOD
In fact, you are more of a liberal (in denial) by your own definition!

If I am a liberal what does that make downhill? =)

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Tue Oct 14, 2003 7:06 pm

Originally posted by Ghosthunter
If I am a liberal what does that make downhill? =)

A moderate. What else?

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