How Can dsl be good?

deleted_acct · Post by **deleted_acct** » Fri Mar 28, 2003 7:17 am

I mean it runs off of a phone line wtf?

Phone lines cant handle but so much speed so whys there such a depate which one to get cable or dsl. I understand if your in a big city and have cable then your speeds might drop a little with alot of people but it wouldnt drop to dsl speeds. I may be wrong but have friends with dsl and it really sucks.

Bob Carrick · Post by **Bob Carrick** » Fri Mar 28, 2003 8:19 am

DSL can handle 7 mbps on regular copper phone lines so I don't know what the heck your talking about but it can handle plenty of speed.

cyberskye · Post by **cyberskye** » Fri Mar 28, 2003 9:50 am

My DSL connect (speakeasy) is 3 hops from backbone 15-25 pings. In Washington, DC comcast cable is pretty weak - awful pings and spotty service.

I am surprised. Most people I speak with would prefer DSL over cable ANY day - cost is the blocking factor. My 1500/768 line is $100/month (two static IPs, servers ok, (free Xbox console)). Pure bandwidth/speed got old really quick - I used to get 3500/1200 before comcast bought @home. Performance to me is a combination of a lot of things.

Would you want a drag racer to drive around town? They don't handle very well unless they are moving in a straight line at full speed. Kinda limits the experience. Besides, where would you keep the parachute?

Skye

savethesquirrel · Post by **savethesquirrel** » Fri Mar 28, 2003 3:52 pm

I had cable for a while, its great for downloads, but what about hosting a server? What about upload for gaming. I was todl cable routers weren't built to handle uploads/data coming back. they were made for throughput. thats great until yer trying to share files with buddies across the WWW. SO they have there adavatages. DSL, great upload, spend the $$, great DL too.

dsl-jds · Post by **dsl-jds** » Fri Mar 28, 2003 8:15 pm

DSL can come in many flavors and costs. My phone company provides me with 2+Mbps down and 240Kbps up for $45/month. Haven't had any problems.

To answer the question about DSL on copper. We aren't talking about analog modems here, which max out at 56Kbps. It wasn't that long ago that 2400bps was considered to be the max. The "D" in DSL is digital. We no longer rely on different tones to transmit the info. It's true 1's and 0's. I don't know the exact details, I'm sure someone here can explain it better and/or point to a website.

BaLa · Post by **BaLa** » Fri Mar 28, 2003 8:56 pm

Originally posted by savethesquirrel
I was todl cable routers weren't built to handle uploads/data coming back. they were made for throughput. thats great until yer trying to share files with buddies across the WWW. SO they have there adavatages. DSL, great upload, spend the $$, great DL too.

who told you that?

BTW I haven't seen any router advertised as Cable Router
all of the home/home office market routers I've seen are advertised as 'CABLE/DSL' Routers......

what else..
the problem with sharing files through a router is not the router itself, it is the fact that all of the routers (the ones I have seen anyways...), have a firewall built in...
Which means you have to open a port or use the DMZ (Demilitarized(sp) zone - not recommended) to share files most of the time..

While it might be a hassle it's what saves your comp from being hacked or whatever....

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Cypher · Post by **Cypher** » Fri Mar 28, 2003 9:32 pm

I like my cable. If shearing were to become an issue I would switch. I've had excelent luck since I've had it.

savethesquirrel · Post by **savethesquirrel** » Sat Mar 29, 2003 12:50 am

Sorry, I was misundertsood. I didn't mean the router you'd have in your home to share your one dynamic IP. I'm no expert, so don't quote me or anything, but its the router that routes the cable. They weren't built, or the ones in Colorado Springs wern't, to send data back tot he host. Makes sense. How many cable viewers TV's send data back? Hence: bad upload over cable. Its made for one way. Thats all I meant. I'm not saying one is better than the other, they both have there ups and downs. This was frustratingly written over a 56k connection...

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Sat Mar 29, 2003 10:09 am

Originally posted by Chillinhh
I mean it runs off of a phone line wtf? Phone lines cant handle but so much speed so whys there such a depate which one to get cable or dsl. I understand if your in a big city and have cable then your speeds might drop a little with alot of people but it wouldnt drop to dsl speeds. I may be wrong but have friends with dsl and it really sucks.

Copper is copper. Ever see what a T-1 line comes in on? It's all up to the ISP, not one design or another. Although generally...DSL by design is better for gaming, and less prone to traffic congestion when everyone logs on. Cable...all up to your area, who else/how many is on your node, etc.

It's all up to the ISP you choose. Most people always choose the local phone company for their DSL service...no wonder they often whine. The phone company generally wasn't good at providing great dial up service, so what makes people think they will give great DSL service?

Instead, do some homework and choose a good ISP. I've been with the same ISP for nearly 10 years, they were incredible for dial up, and they're incredible for DSL too. My gaming pings are 20-40 consistantly all/any hours, all/any days of the week. Buddies who are on phone company DSL are pretty consistant...but it's barely average performance...pings from 60-100 or so. I chuckle at my buddies on cable who can only game after prime time because they're pings are in the triple digits during peak hours.

dsl-jds · Post by **dsl-jds** » Sat Mar 29, 2003 1:29 pm

My ISP is my phone company, but since I'm not a gamer, the higher pings are not a problem. I want the reliable service, which is what I'm getting. I admit that I was nervous going with them, but as a phone company they have been okay. Common billing is also a plus with going with the phone company. And, I didn't want to pay the surcharge to TWC for RR service because I didn't have their standard cable. They may have changed that policy, but, I have DirecTV and don't need their price increases every year or so. DirecTV has only increased my rates twice, including the upcoming one, since I started in '96.

BTW, with regard to speed, I'm consistantly getting 2+ Mbps downloads with Speakeasy tests and the Computers4SURE site and many others. Large downloads from sites have also shown this high speed.

TeenInternetAddict · Post by **TeenInternetAddict** » Sun Mar 30, 2003 1:41 am

ADSL can go up to 7mbps download and 640kbps upload, I read about it somewhere. I am happy with my 1500/128 regular DSL service from SBC/Yahoo! I had Cox HSI cable and let me tell you, Cox HSI sucks in my area. Cox HSI doesn't get slow until early afternoon\late evening when people is getting off work and kids getting off school. I am happy with my ADSL service: 5 static IPs, low latency, reliable, fast web browsing, smoooth audio and video content. On cable, audio and video content would rebuffer and freeze up, high latency, slow speeds, no static IPs, slow web browsing. Also the cable bill keeps raising every month

So I'm using DSL for now on. I love my DSL because the monthly fee is one flat fee! Cable is a flat fee but keeps raising once or twice a year, and the bill keeps raising every month. ADSL rules!

deleted_acct · Post by **deleted_acct** » Sun Mar 30, 2003 3:57 pm

My friend with dsl gets abotut 100-200 pings while i get about 30 - 70 on my cable and his downloads are about 400 kbps while mine is 3000 im not saying dsl sucks i was just askin. Dont have a heart attack.

cyberskye · Post by **cyberskye** » Sun Mar 30, 2003 5:05 pm

Moral of the story - it's not the technology or medium but the overall quality of the ISP that counts

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