What the hell happened to my upstream?

LLivingLarge · Post by **LLivingLarge** » Sat Apr 12, 2003 11:00 pm

Cable Modem: Surfboard 4200
Router and Ethernet Card: Linksys
ISP: Optimum Online
Where problem is most evident: Upstream for fileserving on IRC

A couple of days ago I was topping my upstream at 120 KB/s, now my upstream is barely going past 20 KB/s. I'd like to know what is wrong, how I can fix it, and possibly get a better upstream than before.

TCP options string = 020405b40103030201010402
MTU = 1500
MTU is fully optimized for broadband.
MSS = 1460
Maximum useful data in each packet = 1460, which equals MSS.

Default Receive Window (RWIN) = 256960
RWIN Scaling (RFC1323) = 2 bits
Unscaled Receive Window = 64240

RWIN is a multiple of MSS
Other values for RWIN that might work well with your current MTU/MSS:
513920 (MSS x 44 * scale factor of 8)
128480 (MSS x 44 * scale factor of 2)
64240 (MSS x 44)
bandwidth * delay product:

Your RcvWindow limits you to: 10278.4 kbps (1284.8 KBytes/s) @ 200ms
Your RcvWindow limits you to: 4111.36 kbps (513.92 KBytes/s) @ 500ms
MTU Discovery (RFC1191) = ON
Time to live left = 55 hops

TTL value is ok.
Timestamps (RFC1323) = OFF
Selective Acknowledgements (RFC2018) = ON
IP type of service field (RFC1349) = 00000000

TruckerT · Post by **TruckerT** » Sun Apr 13, 2003 10:49 am

Sounds like you need to call your ISP - what you have is soooo much slower than it should be that the ISP should be involved.

Kip Patterson · Post by **Kip Patterson** » Sun Apr 13, 2003 12:29 pm

OOL does not permit servers. When they find one, they cap the modem at 150 kilobits upload.

I suggest that you shut down your server, wait a month or so, and try begging. They may undo your cap.

LLivingLarge · Post by **LLivingLarge** » Sun Apr 13, 2003 1:25 pm

They drop the cap from 120 KB/s to 150 kb/s!!!!! How the hell do I get around this. I see other people on IRC who have not uncapped their OOL cable modem still get higher than what I should be getting.

IS THERE ANYTHING I CAN DO BESIDES KISSING CABLEVISION'S THIEVING ARSE?

LLivingLarge · Post by **LLivingLarge** » Sun Apr 13, 2003 3:22 pm

Is OptOnline the only ISP that has a problem with servers?

Kip Patterson · Post by **Kip Patterson** » Sun Apr 13, 2003 5:04 pm

You entered into an agreement with Cablevision.

You violated it.

How does that become Cablevision's problem?

I'm beng nice because I just finished my taxes and didn't get hit too badly, or I'd probably ask what you were distributing over your server.

So far as I know, no cable ISP allows servers. Some DSL ISP's do, especially those that offer SDSL. It is priced accordingly.

LLivingLarge · Post by **LLivingLarge** » Mon Apr 14, 2003 9:58 am

If you must know, I was only distributing fansubbed anime (THAT HAS NOT BEEN LICENSED IN AMERICA YET) over an fserve on MIRC. Because the anime is unlicensed, it is not illegal material.

Also, according to the OOL Support guy I talked to. OOL does not allow the USE, not just serving, the USE! of Kazaa, WinMX, Morpheus, IRC. I can't access FTPs or HTTP servers without them bothering me.

Are you sure Road Runner or Comcast also have anti-server policies?

Kip Patterson · Post by **Kip Patterson** » Mon Apr 14, 2003 10:01 am

Look them up and see. They sure do.

You may have gotten bad advice from OOL. I don't know why they would object to anyone using client software. If it is used to DL copyrighted works, that is another matter.

So far as I know there are no overbuilders in the OOL area, so other cable ISP's are only available to you if you move.

Mopwr2u1 · Post by **Mopwr2u1** » Mon Apr 14, 2003 10:14 am

Hate to barge in BUT I have comcast and i run winmx a lot but i do have it throttled down now when i got service I got no papers or anything saying what I could do or not do on their service so how would I go about finding out without actually going in and saying "I run a router and 3 computers on one IP also I use winmx and leave my computer on all the time is that ok"?
So as to not do what I'm not supposed to do without throwing up a red flag in the process
Thanks

LLivingLarge · Post by **LLivingLarge** » Mon Apr 14, 2003 10:22 am

I pray that AOL for Broadband as much as I hate it... Is smart enough to have evolved beyond the need for this policy.

Mopwr2u1 · Post by **Mopwr2u1** » Mon Apr 14, 2003 10:32 am

Ive heard that AOL speed's are not that good and that ya can't do anything to (tweak) or make them better. Like I said I overheard not sure where but just remembered something like that. Just thought id give ya a heads up.

cyberskye · Post by **cyberskye** » Mon Apr 14, 2003 11:41 am

service so how would I go about finding out

Read the TOS on their website. I'm sure there's a link off the homepage. You agreed to it when you signed on, so check it out.

Neither comcast nor cox nor rr allow servers in the washington dc area. Under comcast I received regular scans on http and ftp ports from hosts named "scan04.yadayadayada.comcast.net" and the like. Dropped them for speakeasy adsl 1500/768, 2 static, servers encouraged. Costs $100 and cable was $39 for much more download. My symetric line is 384/384 for $129 with 6 static. You get what you pay for, SDSL is best for servers for a couple of reasons.

Kip - some isps are actually restricting p2p use. Either through threat or overall bandwidth caps. p2p can be almost as expensive as spam to the network owner

There are concerns over potential liability and the isps may eventually want to contract with the studios to distribute copyrighted material legally. Many colleges and universities have already instituted bans.

Mopwr2u1 · Post by **Mopwr2u1** » Mon Apr 14, 2003 11:44 am

T.O.S ya I should of thought of that Thanks

Mopwr2u1 · Post by **Mopwr2u1** » Mon Apr 14, 2003 12:23 pm

Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, the Service is for personal and non-commercial use only and you agree not to use the Service for operation as an Internet service provider, a server site for ftp, telnet, rlogin, e-mail hosting, "web hosting" or other similar applications, for any business enterprise, or as an end-point on a non-Comcast local area network or wide area network.

ok so looks like i can run all the winmx and kazaa but i cannot set up a ftp site or use it for business purposes cool im all good.
But this is funny

NEITHER COMCAST NOR ITS AFFILIATES OR AGENTS WARRANT THAT ANY CONNECTION TO, TRANSMISSION OVER, OR RESULTS OF THE COMCAST EQUIPMENT OR THE SERVICE WILL MEET CUSTOMER'S REQUIREMENTS OR WILL PROVIDE UNINTERRUPTED USE OR WILL OPERATE AS REQUIRED, UNINTERUPTED, AT ANY MINIMUM SPEED, OR ERROR FREE.

so it could go down for up to 20 hrs a day have lots of info losses or errors on it run at 1/10 th the speed and they imply no warranty what so ever Hmmm wish I could work that way

Kinda funny though i got a laugh out of it

cyberskye · Post by **cyberskye** » Mon Apr 14, 2003 12:33 pm

so it could go down for up to 20 hrs a day have lots of info losses or errors on it run at 1/10 th the speed and they imply no warranty what so ever Hmmm wish I could work that way

Ever wonder why cable internet is less than twice the price of dialup...even given the broadband penetration?

I have a 4 hour SLA on my SDSL line. Any downtime beyond that and I start getting credit. Did I mention that 'downtime' here also means "bandwidth less than 80% of rated speed"?

My ADSL line has no guarantees at all. Part of the added cost of SDSL line.

Again, you get what you pay for.

LLivingLarge · Post by **LLivingLarge** » Mon Apr 14, 2003 3:17 pm

What bothers me the most is that some ISPs don't have their TOS placed where it can be easily found on their website.

Mopwr2u1 · Post by **Mopwr2u1** » Mon Apr 14, 2003 6:07 pm

Another thing that shocked me was that when the technician hooked me up I got no paperwork on anything he was a very smart tech and a friendly guy but i thought i get some paperwork of some kind and i see why they dont advertise speeds other than blazingly fast im still not sure what speed that is

LLivingLarge · Post by **LLivingLarge** » Mon Apr 14, 2003 11:01 pm

Broadband ISPs are corrupt to the core... Their method of operation contradicts what the term "High-Speed Internet" stands for. When a company does not allow filesharing just because the server can't take it, TOO BAD! If 56k, ISDN, Satellite, or DSL can handle something that cable can't... Like getting it for free if you search the internet hard enough. Cable companies can take their policies and shove it up their arses. GIVE THE USER WHAT HE OR SHE WANTS! I could run a server off the ripoff company MetConnect and connect with my 56k, I could serve files at a pisspoor speed. Cable, savor it while it lasts... TWO WEEKS! IF OOL DIDN'T FLAG OUR CONNECTION AFTER I "VIOLATED" THE TOS, I'D BE UNCAPPING EVERY MODEM I COULD FIND AND RUN MY OWN LOCAL ISP INTRANET.

Kip Patterson · Post by **Kip Patterson** » Tue Apr 15, 2003 5:25 am

Cable ISP's do not allow file sharing or any other sort of servers because the upstream bandwidth will not support it.

The upstream bandwidth that is available is a result of spectrum allocation decisions made as far back as the 1930's, and there is no fix short of completely replacing the system.

If you want to run a server, buy and pay for an appropriate connection. Cable is not intended for that sort of service.

And watch your language. Not appropriate nor tolerated in this forum.

LLivingLarge · Post by **LLivingLarge** » Tue Apr 15, 2003 9:58 am

What is a good connection for servers? DSL?

cyberskye · Post by **cyberskye** » Tue Apr 15, 2003 10:48 am

Dropped them for speakeasy adsl 1500/768, 2 static, servers encouraged. Costs $100 and cable was $39 for much more download. My symetric line is 384/384 for $129 with 6 static. You get what you pay for, SDSL is best for servers for a couple of reasons.

Mopwr2u1 · Post by **Mopwr2u1** » Tue Apr 15, 2003 10:50 am

or maybe T-1 or T-3 isn't T-1 and 3 1500/1000 or something or am I misinformed seen speakeasy has 1500/768 for 69.95 thats only $20 and change more than what i pay for 1800/256

cyberskye · Post by **cyberskye** » Tue Apr 15, 2003 10:58 am

T1 = ~1.55/1.55 Mbps

All business class lines are symetric - dedicated line (SDSL, T1, etc). This is an obvious advantage for a server over a ADSL shared phone line - or a cable line that you share with your whole zipcode..

MOP - If you do heavy uploading, you will see an improvement in your DOWNload speed with a 1500/768 line. Read the fineprint on that package, tho. Speakeasy has a bunch that have the same speed rating but different...perks and prices. Some have multiple static ip's some dont. Some offer more email accounts/news thruput, some offer dedicated game servers, others offer local access to rpmfind.net mirror.

I got the sysadmin package for $95 - came with a free xbox 2 static ips. Pings/traces are btwn 15-31 until you hit a slow, external network. Been very happy since they upgraded the DC POP.

LLivingLarge · Post by **LLivingLarge** » Tue Apr 15, 2003 5:00 pm

What about OC3, T2, T3, ISDN, Wireless, Dial Up, and Satellite? Any policies with them?

Mopwr2u1 · Post by **Mopwr2u1** » Tue Apr 15, 2003 5:36 pm

Technology Max Speed
mbit/s
56k modem 0.056
DSL varies
cable varies
T1 1.544
Ethernet 10.000

T3 44.736
OC-3 155.520

OC-12 622.080
OC-48 2,488.320
OC-96 4,976.640
OC-192 9,953.280
OC-255 13,219.200
These speeds are the maximum the technology allows. Actual speed will be affected by supplier imposed limits and other factors
T1 and T3 are also called DS-1 and DS-3 respectively

T-3 and OC-3 I dont see where they would have a prob looks like they are made for servers But ill bet they cost a pretty penny

LLivingLarge · Post by **LLivingLarge** » Tue Apr 15, 2003 6:29 pm

Why does everyone always forget the T2?

I just remembered that OC-255 was the fastest around... Suddenly my cable modem feels so slow. Like a 14.4k on the bunny slopes of speed.

cyberskye · Post by **cyberskye** » Tue Apr 15, 2003 6:36 pm

Oiy - where's the E1's?

Mopwr2u1 · Post by **Mopwr2u1** » Tue Apr 15, 2003 6:53 pm

hmmm no idea got it off of bandwidthplace.com i thought maybe T-2 and ethernet were the same as for E-1 have no clue

cyberskye · Post by **cyberskye** » Tue Apr 15, 2003 8:07 pm

E1's live in europe. T1's live in NA. Same idea but a few extra channels (time slots).

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What the hell happened to my upstream?

What the hell happened to my upstream?

YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!

Those idiots removed the cap but they'll do it again if I serve!