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Perspective · Post by **Perspective** » Sat Apr 12, 2003 7:16 pm

Percentage of the world's population living in the U.S.: 6.

Percentage of the world’s energy resources used in the U.S.: 30.

Rank of Iraq among countries in the world for the largest oil reserves: 2 [behind Saudi Arabia].

Military spending, worldwide: $900 billion.

Percentage of worldwide military spending by U.S.: 50.

Percentage of worldwide military spending by Iraq: 0.0015.

Percentage of Iraq's military capacity U.S. claimed it destroyed in 1991 Persian Gulf War: 80.

Percentage of Iraq's post-1991 capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction the UN claimed to have discovered and dismantled by 1998: 90.

Percentage of U.S. military spending that would ensure basic necessities to everyone in the world: 10.

Number of Americans who have died in wars since World War II: 92,212.

Number of people living outside U.S. who have died in wars since World War II: 25 million.

Years that Iraq has had chemical and biological weapons: 20.

Number of U.S. and European corporations that supplied Iraq with materials and knowledge to make chemical and biological weapons since the early 1980s: 150.

Number of Western nations that condemned Saddam Hussein in 1988 immediately after he used gas in the Kurdish town of Halabja in 1988 to kill an estimated 5,000 people: 0.

Number of pounds of Agent Orange and other herbicides U.S. dropped in the Vietnam War: 100 million.

Value of worldwide weapons trade: $800 billion.

Percentage of weapons dealt by U.S. companies worldwide: 50.

Estimated number of Iraqi civilian deaths in the 1991 Persian Gulf War: 35,000.

Estimated number of retreating Iraqi soldiers buried alive by U.S. tanks in 1991 War: 6,000.

Estimated number of Iraqi civilian deaths Pentagon predicted in the 2003 war: 10,000.

Estimated number of Iraqi civilian casualties in the 2003 war so far: 800.

Percentage of Iraqi civilian deaths that are children: 50.

Tons of depleted uranium left in Iraq and Kuwait after the 1991 Gulf War: 40.

Percentage increase in cancer rates in Iraq between 1991 and 1994: 700.

Number of years the U.S. has engaged in air strikes on Iraq: 26.

Pounds of explosives U.S.-led coalition dropped on Iraq in 1991 Persian Gulf War: 177 million.

Pounds of explosives U.S.-British pilots dropped on Iraq between December 1998 and September 1999: 20 million.

Estimated pounds of explosives U.S.-British pilots have dropped on Iraq since the start of Operation Iraqi Invasion in March 2003: 200 million.

Years Iraq has lived under economic sanctions imposed by the UN: 12.

Iraqi child death rate in 1989 [per 1,000 births]: 30.

Iraqi child death rate in 1999 [per 1,000 births]: 131.

Number of Iraqis estimated to have died through 1999 due to UN sanctions: 1.5 million.

Percentage of them children: 50.

Number of UN inspections conducted in Iraq in November-December 1998: 300.

Number of those inspections with problems: 5.

Number of UN weapons inspections conducted in Iraq in 2003: 500.

Number of UN resolutions Israel violated through 1992: More than 65.

Number of UN resolutions on Israel that U.S. vetoed between 1972 and 1990: More than 30.

Number of UN weapons inspections Israel has ever allowed: 0.

Number of nuclear warheads U.S. has: More than 10,000.

Number of nuclear warheads Israel has: More than 400.

Number of nuclear warheads Iraq has: 0.

Number of countries known to have nuclear weapons: 8.

Number of countries that have used nuclear weapons on another country: One [ the U.S.].

Norm · Post by **Norm** » Sat Apr 12, 2003 7:20 pm

Boy oh boy, here we go

Link?

64bit · Post by **64bit** » Sat Apr 12, 2003 7:28 pm

your point....? Im not being coy or anything either. Im really wondering what your point is.

Norm · Post by **Norm** » Sat Apr 12, 2003 7:31 pm

I'm wondering whats the point too.

Also wondering where these stats come from. Not leaning towards true or false, just want the source.

Joint Chiefs of Staff · Sat Apr 12, 2003 7:33 pm

Proof is everything when threads like this are started.

And yes, I'm all out of popcorn....for the moment.

Paft · Post by **Paft** » Sat Apr 12, 2003 7:34 pm

Originally posted by John
Number of people killed by Saddam: 2,000,000

Of 25 million killed in war, Saddam's victims account for: 8%

Source?

nepenthe · Post by **nepenthe** » Sat Apr 12, 2003 7:36 pm

Cut and pasted from http://www.everythingsucks.ca I believe.

Perspective · Post by **Perspective** » Sat Apr 12, 2003 7:38 pm

link

Yes. A anti-war website. Believe you me though, i've seen a similiar compilation hundreds of times before. It's fact.

Funny, I actually in large part support the war. Just hate the deceit Bush has used to justify it.

Perspective · Post by **Perspective** » Sat Apr 12, 2003 7:45 pm

Originally posted by John
Number of people killed by Saddam: 2,000,000

Of 25 million killed in war, Saddam's victims account for: 8%

Think the post says 25 million killed in war. The 2 million victims of Saddam's tyranny weren't likely to be included in it. It wasn't a traditional war, ie. state vs. state. If that was the case, you could be darn sure that figure would be much higher.

64bit · Post by **64bit** » Sat Apr 12, 2003 7:48 pm

Can I just wait till torsten breaks it down and agree with most of what he has to say?

ScottE · Post by **ScottE** » Sat Apr 12, 2003 7:54 pm

Originally posted by Perspective
link

Yes. A anti-war website.

Wrong, it's an anti United States anti western values website.

Norm · Post by **Norm** » Sat Apr 12, 2003 7:57 pm

Originally posted by 64bit
Can I just wait till torsten breaks it down and agree with most of what he has to say?

I'm with you this time

I enjoy Torsten's breakdowns too.

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Sat Apr 12, 2003 7:58 pm

Most of them facts wouldn't be hard to check, but your comparing apples and oranges for most of them. The idea is not to inform but to inflame.........someone's learing their lessons very well from hate radio.....suprise suprise....

MadDoctor · Post by **MadDoctor** » Sat Apr 12, 2003 8:12 pm

Just passing through. Anyone see a goat go by?!?!?!

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Sat Apr 12, 2003 8:14 pm

Originally posted by MadDoctor
Just passing through. Anyone see a goat go by?!?!?!

It's what's for dinner.

Can you hear me now?

Brk · Post by **Brk** » Sat Apr 12, 2003 8:14 pm

God...not these numbers AGAIN.

We use up a lot of resources, but we also provide the world with more than enough products to make up for it. Get over it.

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Sat Apr 12, 2003 8:16 pm

Originally posted by Burke
God...not these numbers AGAIN.

We use up a lot of resources, but we also provide the world with more than enough products to make up for it. Get over it.

such as? no good making them assumptions with out proof to back it up.......I also would like to see the numbers....

MadDoctor · Post by **MadDoctor** » Sat Apr 12, 2003 8:22 pm

Originally posted by downhill
It's what's for dinner.

Be honest now. Haven’t you never eaten your date before?

Perspective · Post by **Perspective** » Sat Apr 12, 2003 8:30 pm

Originally posted by agentbeast
Wrong, it's an anti United States anti western values website.

Wtf....western values?

Either way. Your saying its all made up?

Norm · Post by **Norm** » Sat Apr 12, 2003 8:32 pm

Originally posted by MadDoctor
Just passing through. Anyone see a goat go by?!?!?!

You kill me.

CiscoKid · Post by **CiscoKid** » Sat Apr 12, 2003 8:39 pm

Originally posted by Perspective
Wtf....western values?

Either way. Your saying its all made up?

have you ever heard the saying "Numbers never lie, but liers use numbers"?

I can take parts of a dozen different resources about different things and put them together to make a point, which at face value would seem valid untill actual research into the argument was made. I've done several excercises into this and have always had the same results.

brembo · Post by **brembo** » Sat Apr 12, 2003 8:48 pm

Originally posted by MadDoctor
Be honest now. Haven’t you never eaten your date before?

Heh....

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Sat Apr 12, 2003 9:03 pm

Here are some real cold hard facts straight from the UN.

UNSCOM Achievements

UNSCOM has supervised the destruction of the following proscribed items.

MISSILE AREA:

- 48 operational long-range missiles

- 14 conventional missile warheads

- 6 operational mobile launchers

- 28 operational fixed launch pads

- 32 fixed launch pads (under construction)

- 30 missile chemical warheads

- other missile support equipment and materials

- supervision of the destruction of a variety of assembled and non-

assembled "super-gun" components

CHEMICAL AREA:

- 38,537 filled and empty chemical munitions

- 690 tonnes of chemical weapons agent

- more than 3,000 tonnes of precursors chemicals

- 426 pieces of chemical weapons production equipment

- 91 pieces of related analytical instruments

BIOLOGICAL AREA:

- the entire Al-Hakam, the main biological weapons production facility

- a variety of biological weapons production equipment and materials

BaLa · Post by **BaLa** » Sun Apr 13, 2003 5:10 am

don't we all love statistics..

useless statistics are even better...

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Sun Apr 13, 2003 5:43 am

ya and who cares?

we like things that go boom, and right now we liek irag and saddam going boom, so becasue of that 900 billion we get waht we want adn ppl starve, k thanks bubye now!

Dakota · Post by **Dakota** » Sun Apr 13, 2003 6:26 am

Well, some of those numbers are highly debatable. Again, what's the point?

One thing forgotten (One among MANY): Years Iraqi people oppressed: 4,000

And this number is wrong: Percentage of worldwide military spending by Iraq: 0.0015.

It should now read: Percentage of worldwide military spending by Iraq: 0.0000.

Leatherneck · Post by **Leatherneck** » Sun Apr 13, 2003 7:50 am

How about the number of countries that millions have risked their neck getting to - or suffocated in trucks and train cars to get to - or packed into sinking ferries to get to - or saved money for 40 years to get to - or HAVE ONLY DREAMED OF GETTING TO!

I'd say 1

If we don't like it here, we are free to shake the dust from our shoes and leave. I'd venture to say that not a lot of dust will be falling from traitor's shoes.

p2ii · Post by **p2ii** » Sun Apr 13, 2003 4:06 pm

Originally posted by John
Number of people killed by Saddam: 2,000,000

Of 25 million killed in war, Saddam's victims account for: 8%

that's a pretty big percentage for a country so small and a military force that size.

Incognito · Post by **Incognito** » Sun Apr 13, 2003 4:14 pm

number of people who care: 1 ( you )