Home Network w/ Windows XP

Wallygator · Post by **Wallygator** » Tue Mar 26, 2002 6:34 pm

Hi I just got a new Dell 2.0 p4. I have had a home network with 3 computers working fine. Now one with XP and two with ME. I am using a linksys 4 port router sharing a cable connection. I cant get this to work, and cant even get the new one online. HELP PLEASE....this is driving me crazy. Thanks

glc1 · Post by **glc1** » Tue Mar 26, 2002 6:37 pm

You can't get the router to share the cable connection or you can't get the computers to share resources?

Wallygator · Post by **Wallygator** » Tue Mar 26, 2002 6:41 pm

glc1 · Post by **glc1** » Tue Mar 26, 2002 7:32 pm

Router configuration will depend on how your ISP wants you to setup your cable connection. Usually dynamic with an ISP specified host name & workgroup.

As for the computers, you can manually (static) assign them an IP, subnet mask, gateway and DNS servers or use the router's DHCP server. I prefer static because the system seems to boot quicker (not waiting on DHCP server) and so I can forward ports to a specific computer. See here for a guide. I suggest using NetBEUI as the LAN protocol and disable NETBIOS.

Either way, after you setup the TCP/IP stack, you'll need to share drives/folders and do a few other things to allow shares. As I don't have XP, I don't know the specifics, so see here and here: http://www.wown.com/j_helmig/wxpl****.htm - substitute **** with a n u s (stupid censoring

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Damn it. That site is down. Soon as it's back up I'll link the rest of the info you need.

EDIT: looks like it's coming back to life.

Wallygator · Post by **Wallygator** » Tue Mar 26, 2002 9:11 pm

Thanks it started working....go figure

glc1 · Post by **glc1** » Tue Mar 26, 2002 11:13 pm

Originally posted by Wallygator
Thanks it started working....go figure

All by itself or after you made some changes?

Wallygator · Post by **Wallygator** » Wed Mar 27, 2002 6:23 am

Actually I plugged my ethernet cable into my nic before I booted up the comp for the first time. Then I noticed a brief little pop up by the clock saying a network cable is not connected. I unplugged reconnected and it worked. Also When I open my network places it searches for several seconds before it finds my computers, any idea why???? On my old network, all windows Me it was instantaneous. Thanks for the input. PS only slow on XP machine accessing network.

glc1 · Post by **glc1** » Wed Mar 27, 2002 9:55 am

Are you usig TCP/IP or NetBEUI as the LAN protocol?

GMD999 · Post by **GMD999** » Thu Mar 28, 2002 3:18 pm

I am running a home network with a router (WaveBase) and 1 desktop on Win XPh and a laptop on Win98se (wireless connection).

All is running well except print sharing!! I note that my laptop has TCP/IP protocol and not NETBUI setup... (if I install NETBUI it gives me a protocol for each of the same lines that I currently have for TCP/IP... do I have to delete one of the two?)...

My XPh pc also does not have the NETBUI (I read another post and understand that XP doesn't include that protocol now... the recommendation is to pull it off the CD... my XPh version came already installed with no CD!! any thoughts on where I get it?)

Assuming that I can get NETBUI for my XPh... will this allow me to print across the network?

GMD999

glc1 · Post by **glc1** » Thu Mar 28, 2002 3:27 pm

You need to share the printer and point to it (Control Panel | Add Printer | network printer, etc.) from the other system.

Originally posted by GMD999
My XPh pc also does not have the NETBUI (I read another post and understand that XP doesn't include that protocol now... the recommendation is to pull it off the CD... my XPh version came already installed with no CD!! any thoughts on where I get it?)

Sorry, not sure. You may be able to download it but where I do not know.

Originally posted by GMD999
Assuming that I can get NETBUI for my XPh... will this allow me to print across the network?

Yes, as does TCP/IP. I only suggested NetBEUI because it's not routable over the internet and is generally faster on samller LANs than TCP/IP.

GMD999 · Post by **GMD999** » Thu Mar 28, 2002 3:51 pm

Thanks for the clarification on NETBUI vs. TCP/IP... I have shared the printer (which is hooked up to the XPh unit via USB) and when I setup a printer on the laptop (win98) I choose Network Printer and the I am led to a screen asking for network path or queue name... browsing here finds the printer and allows me to set it up... however whenever I try to even send a "print test page" I get a "Printer not Ready" error message!!

Any thoughts?

GMD999

glc1 · Post by **glc1** » Thu Mar 28, 2002 3:53 pm

Verify that the printer is functioning on the machine it's attached to.

GMD999 · Post by **GMD999** » Thu Mar 28, 2002 4:09 pm

Prints perfectly well from that pc... I also set up a 2nd laptop (on Win2k) and hooked it to the router via an ethernet cable... I was able to print with this unit!!

GMD999

glc1 · Post by **glc1** » Thu Mar 28, 2002 4:19 pm

So it can't print from the WinME PC over the network?

twwabw · Post by **twwabw** » Thu Mar 28, 2002 4:33 pm

Originally posted by GMD999
I am running a home network with a router (WaveBase) and 1 My XPh pc also does not have the NETBUI ........ any thoughts on where I get it?)

Do you still need the NetBeui install files for XP? If so- drop me a PM

GMD999 · Post by **GMD999** » Thu Mar 28, 2002 4:35 pm

No, it cannot print from a laptop running Win98se with a wireless card linked to the router (Nexland's WaveBase unit). I can share files with the desktop XPh but I cannot print!!

GMD999

GMD999 · Post by **GMD999** » Wed Apr 10, 2002 11:07 pm

An Update...

I was not able to print over the LAN using Win98se on the laptop (wireless) and the desktop using WinXP... so I loaded WinXP on the laptop and now I can print on that printer...

However, I tried to use the NETBUI protocol for printer and file sharing but with no success! I installed NETBUI on both PC's and then made sure that the bindings for File & Printer sharing and the Client for Microsoft Networks were both exclusively bound to the NETBUI protocol... I left the TCP/IP protocol bound to the network card. This didn't work... I now have everything bound to both protocols!!

Is it possible that the Nexland WaveBase unit is causing the problem??

GMD999

BlackSword · Post by **BlackSword** » Thu Apr 11, 2002 8:07 am

the router won't care what protocol you are using for print sharing.

GMD999 · Post by **GMD999** » Thu Apr 11, 2002 2:21 pm

Okay... here is the scoop... I have verified this several times and the NETBUI File & Printer Sharing will not work on my setup!! I can only see the other computer if I have bound TCP/IP to the File & Printer Sharing service... the NETBUI protocol seems to be totally ignored!! Furthermore, if I enable the Internet Connection Firewall I cannot access the shared resources.

Any thoughts as to why NETBUI doesn't work??

I know that Blacksword said "the router won't care what protocol you are using for print sharing"... but I am still wondering if that is my problem... I seem to remember reading somewhere that certain routers have this problem and that same article was proposing that those faced with the issue should email that concern to the manufacturer... however I can't find the article!!

Thanks

GMD999

BlackSword · Post by **BlackSword** » Thu Apr 11, 2002 3:30 pm

Originally posted by GMD999
I know that Blacksword said "the router won't care what protocol you are using for print sharing"... but I am still wondering if that is my problem... I seem to remember reading somewhere that certain routers have this problem and that same article was proposing that those faced with the issue should email that concern to the manufacturer... however I can't find the article!!

Ask question to Nexland's active support, see what they say, they would definitly be able to tell you if there is a problem with their router and any protocol.

GMD999 · Post by **GMD999** » Fri Apr 12, 2002 1:24 pm

Well BlackSword... I took your advice and asked Nexland... here is the text:

Subject Does WaveBase support NETBUI protocol?
Apr 11, 2002 4:02 PM

Description I have set up my LAN with the WaveBase and I would like to limit the exposure my network has by binding the File & Printer sharing service to the NETBUI protocol... however this protocol seems to be totally ignored!! It appears that I must bind TCP/IP to make it work... Is this a limitation of the WaveBase?? (I am using WinXP on both Lan pc's) GMD999

04/11/2002 4:25 PM

Our products do not recognize netbios names only IP addresses (source / destination). so it does not support netbui.

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As I am not overly technical... I don't really understand what he is telling me other than the NETBUI protocol doesn't work with Nexland products!! So I guess I am out of luck... BlackSword.. are you not using a Nexland product? Does NETBUI work with your config?

GMD999

BlackSword · Post by **BlackSword** » Fri Apr 12, 2002 2:16 pm

Originally posted by GMD999

04/11/2002 4:25 PM

Our products do not recognize netbios names only IP addresses (source / destination). so it does not support netbui.

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As I am not overly technical... I don't really understand what he is telling me other than the NETBUI protocol doesn't work with Nexland products!! So I guess I am out of luck... BlackSword.. are you not using a Nexland product? Does NETBUI work with your config?

GMD999

sorry,,, just picked myself up off the floor,, ouch.... Well I have the Pro400 but have always used TCP/IP so I haven't tried Netbui on it.

Based on what you are saying they said,,, remove Netbui as a protocol and go with TCP/IP.

BlackSword · Post by **BlackSword** » Fri Apr 12, 2002 2:23 pm

Originally posted by GMD999
Our products do not recognize netbios names only IP addresses (source / destination). so it does not support netbui.

If I get a chance I will try it out this weekend.....

hard to believe so I would like to see it for myself.

cyberskye · Post by **cyberskye** » Fri Apr 12, 2002 2:45 pm

I have the Pro400 and use Netbeui as my LAN protocol. No problems at all...maybe they meant through the router. From the sounds of it you are only trying to use netbeui on the LAN side - good thing as it isn't a routable protocol.

BlackSword · Post by **BlackSword** » Fri Apr 12, 2002 6:05 pm

Originally posted by cyberskye
I have the Pro400 and use Netbeui as my LAN protocol. No problems at all...maybe they meant through the router. From the sounds of it you are only trying to use netbeui on the LAN side - good thing as it isn't a routable protocol.

That makes sense.

GMD999 · Post by **GMD999** » Sat Apr 13, 2002 10:41 pm

As I stated earlier... my tech knowledge is limited... can someone explain the last posts...

Originally posted by cyberskye
I have the Pro400 and use Netbeui as my LAN protocol. No problems at all...maybe they meant through the router. From the sounds of it you are only trying to use netbeui on the LAN side - good thing as it isn't a routable protocol.

I am trying to use netbui for File & Printer sharing only... is that what is meant by using "netbui on the LAN side"?? What does the phrase "maybe they meant through the router" mean??

GMD999

cyberskye · Post by **cyberskye** » Mon Apr 15, 2002 1:42 pm

Hey GMD999,

I was suggesting that technical support may have had the impression that you were trying to use Netbeui to communicate with hosts that are not on your LAN - but external to the router.

I happen to run a WINS server on my LAN - for testing purposes only, MS networking basically sucks. That is the only thing I can think of that might make a difference in your config. That and that fact that I am not using wirless - but I cannot see how that would impact. Then again, I can't imagine not supporting netbeui for the LAN protocol...

Skye

cyberskye · Post by **cyberskye** » Mon Apr 15, 2002 2:31 pm

OOOPS! Just realized that the machines I use Netbeui on are hanging off a switch that I have uplinked to the Router. I cannot confirm that Netbeui will work across the switch that is built into the router. I will try and set this up directly later on today. I still cannot believe that they would not buld netbeui support into their products. I know the protocol is on the way out, but it is still used extensively by savvy home users - which is the target market for many of their products.

Sorry if I passed any bad info - should know on a few hours.

Skye

AbByS · Post by **AbByS** » Mon Apr 15, 2002 5:04 pm

Any idea as to where I can find detailed info in how to disable Microsoft Printer and file sharing and just install NetBeui and work with that??

The tricky bit in my case is that I'm using Windows XP Pro, and I have found info on how to do these things but all for OS's other than XP

Thankx for any help you guys can provide me

cyberskye · Post by **cyberskye** » Mon Apr 15, 2002 7:02 pm

ABBYS,

What would you use NetBeui for if not File and Print Sharing? It is not a routable protocol so you won't be able to access the internet...just curious.

Netbeui is in the "AddOns" - or something like that - folder on your XP CDROM.

Skye

GMD999 · Post by **GMD999** » Wed Apr 17, 2002 11:51 am

AbBys,

In XPpro bring up the Network Connections screen and then click on the "Advanced" menu item and then "Advanced Settings".
This then allows you to bind or unbind your services (e.g. File & Printer sharing) from your protocol (TCP/IP or Netbui). I am not sure why they put it there and not in the properties!!

Like cyberskye I am not sure what you are trying to do... unless you are trying the same thing as I am... which is to bind the File & Printer to Netbui and not TCP/IP... if so then this is the place to set up the bindings (after you have installed Netbui... of course)

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cyberskye,

Did you try to connect directly to the router and if so did Netbui work?

GMD999

AbByS · Post by **AbByS** » Wed Apr 17, 2002 1:31 pm

I had been trying to find that for ages, obviously I had not been trying hard enough.
What I am trying to do my friend is to get rid of MS File and Printer sharing, and use NetBeui instead for that, leaving the TCP/IP protocol so I can still connect to the internet.

I have heard in plenty of places that by getting rid of that Stupid MS File and Printer Sharing I would also get rid of a GREAT threat to my Computer.

and that Dude is what I am TRYING to do, coz honestly... I can't say that I am an expert with this kind of stuff, I'm only doing it so I can feel reassured that no body is snooping into my comp.

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