Windows XP - Goodbye NetBEUI!?

clevelandtexas · Post by **clevelandtexas** » Wed Nov 07, 2001 9:38 pm

Is it true that NetBEUI is going south with XP? I use this protocol for file transferring and printing on my home PC's. MSofts's Upgrade Advisor for XP says I'll have to use TCP/IP for this. How will home networking work under XP if I don't want to use TCP/IP to expose my Netbios to the world?

syncmaster · Post by **syncmaster** » Wed Nov 07, 2001 10:20 pm

Use a firewall .....

VonJames · Post by **VonJames** » Wed Nov 07, 2001 10:26 pm

I don't have XP myself, but I seem to remember reading a message somewhere, that said Netbeui IS on the XP disk and you have to install it manually, mainly because microsoft is moving away from it and offers no more support for it.

That is all I know. Good luck in finding it.

Pains2 · Post by **Pains2** » Thu Nov 08, 2001 12:02 am

Your all right, Microsoft have decided to dump it, but it's not that hard to find, i use XP pro 2600 build, and on my disc it's
(F: being my cdrom) f:\valueadd\msft\net\netbeui

Basically all u have to do is copy them to the system32 and then copy the netnbf.inf file to the (d: being the directory where i've installed xp) d:\windows\inf
then install it like u would win2k,98 If u have any probs i'll write it all out for u but it's pretty straight forward, have fun

cobra25 · Post by **cobra25** » Thu Nov 08, 2001 2:42 am

do people still use Netbeui????

Pains2 · Post by **Pains2** » Thu Nov 08, 2001 3:07 am

hi cobra,

I still use it, it's non routable, it's faster then tcp/ip, personally i don't find anything wrong with it, and it's security is great becuase of the fore mentioned reason.

cobra25 · Post by **cobra25** » Thu Nov 08, 2001 3:11 am

hmmmm good point...... but the main reason i use IPX/SPX is for network gaming.... lots of games only support network gaming using that protocol....

and for security reasons.... just make sure they don't get past ur hardware firewall....

CM Weaver · Post by **CM Weaver** » Thu Nov 08, 2001 5:56 am

Still using IPX/SPX? Talk about slooooooooow and adding bunches of network overhead. When you say alot of games still require..you must be talking about games that are pretty old. IPX/SPX is a dead protocol, almost as dead as Netware

cobra25 · Post by **cobra25** » Thu Nov 08, 2001 6:21 am

well what's wrong with older games???? We play Delta Force 2 frequently..... and it works great...

I've always understood that Netbeui was dying as well....

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Thu Nov 08, 2001 7:20 am

Blows me away why Microsoft would treat NetBEUI like a fading protocol....main reason it should be an up front protocol is...look at the explosion of home LANs over the past couple of years due to everyone getting broadband, routers, etc etc. Why shouldn't NetBEUI be a default protocol like TCP/IP, to easily let everyone have an easy and secure home LAN, since NetBEUI is not routable, it's lightening fast, and doesn't require configuration. TCP/IP and IPX are both routable, so someone worried about security doesn't want those bound to client and sharing services.

clevelandtexas · Post by **clevelandtexas** » Thu Nov 08, 2001 11:19 am

I'm glad to hear the NetBEUI will still have some life left in it. I wonder how MS makes these decisions to what to obsolete and what to keep. Does MS get a kickback on every stick of RAM, on every new MOBO, on every new HD, on every new piece of software, etc, that some folks will have to buy just to get XP to work on their system? It makes one beleive in conspiracies.

DingoBoy · Post by **DingoBoy** » Sat Dec 08, 2001 5:43 am

i used it before i set up my home network. When I built my last PC, i made a crossover cable and hooked the 2 pc's directly together through the nic's. Easiest and fastest way to hook 2 pc's directly together without a true network.

Syclone_A · Post by **Syclone_A** » Sat Dec 08, 2001 6:57 pm

you can describe netbeui's increased performance over tcp/ip and ipx/spx in one word..........overhead. its still the fastest for transferring files and using network printers. Tcp/ip is gonna always be the protocol for the internet though as ipx/spx has fallen by the way side. yea sure older games support it like starcraft and such but tcp/ip is really taken over and if you notice with each new version of novell they also are supporting tcp/ip as there main protocol. Really i just use tcp/ip now because I think for transferring files its fine and although netbeui is faster as i stated earlier i like having the fewest protocols installed as possible on my network. Also i challeng that having one pc to the internet with tcp/ip and the rest connected to that pc with netbeui is any safer than all having tcp/ip and if you think before you respond you'll see why.

Stef · Post by **Stef** » Sat Dec 08, 2001 10:02 pm

Funny how all of you figure NetBEUI is faster then TCP/IP when the latest version of SAMBA (Windows file & print sharing for UNIX) is a faster then any Windows server. (it runs completely over TCP/IP

)

TCP/IP is efficient, it's some of the applications that use TCP/IP that aren't.

BTW, masquerading several PC's behind one to share the internet is a secure means of networking. Using a make shift network operating system isn't.

Stef

JackMDS · Post by **JackMDS** » Tue Dec 11, 2001 11:43 pm

You are right Stef.

However, most of home users don't run Linux Samba.

TCP/IP configuration is yielding a lot of trouble for people who want to connect their computers, and don't see networking as their hobby.

BTW: I notice on some of my Networks, that when some clients use the Internet, and others use the internal network. Systems with the combo TCP/IP, and NetBEUI yield smoother surfing, then systems with TCP/IP only.

TheDude106 · Post by **TheDude106** » Wed Dec 12, 2001 10:43 pm

I currently connect through a linksys router and got 2 windows xp comps hooked up. Should I use NetBeui or should I use tcp/ip

Pains2 · Post by **Pains2** » Wed Dec 12, 2001 10:50 pm

it doesn't matter dude.. but if u want a secure network where u share files with your other computer and not the rest of the world then bind netbeui for file and printer sharing...

TheDude106 · Post by **TheDude106** » Wed Dec 12, 2001 11:14 pm

uh... how do i set which protocols to use for file sharing?

Pains2 · Post by **Pains2** » Thu Dec 13, 2001 6:56 am

start then control panel, then network and internet connection, then u should have a window open with local internet conection thing...... then click the advanced tab and then advanced settings, untick the appropriate boxes and then do it to all the other computers.....that's it

TheDude106 · Post by **TheDude106** » Thu Dec 13, 2001 5:04 pm

but then i cant use the internet. I use my nic card to access the internet through a router.

Pains2 · Post by **Pains2** » Fri Dec 14, 2001 7:38 am

u should have 2 protocols installed, NETBEUI and TCP/IP, untick the file sharing in the TCP/IP box, or if uninstalled TCP/IP install it again then untick the box that says file and printer sharing under the heading of TCP/IP

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Fri Dec 14, 2001 10:06 am

Pains2....you still use the internet even though you uncheck all Microsoft Client, and File and Print Sharing services, from TCP/IP. When you do so, you're unloading those services only from TCP/IP, but still letting TCP/IP load, just with less overhead. Your games and internet surfing will still work. You don't need or use networking services like "share" bound to TCP/IP to surf the internet, or play games.

Yes NetBEUI is more secure, but you really only have to worry about security if you have ports opened in your router, forwarded for services. If your router is buttoned up (as in default settings), TCP/IP is still secure due to NAT. But once you open up ports, such as for running a game server like Quake, or letting a FTP server run from behind it, or PcAnywhere host, or web server especially (port 80), THEN you absolutely have to worry about security, and make sure you remove networking services from TCP/IP, letting just NetBEUI do the LAN work.

Also if you DMZ your box....do the same. The other advantage of NetBEUI is it's just so easy to configure, for people not used to managing TCP/IP, and where there are home routers which do crummy jobs managing TCP/IP, NetBEUI just makes your network work easily for browsing, plus it's light and fast.

artury · Post by **artury** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 2:52 am

look at this

http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sha ... .htm#HowTo

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 7:48 am

Wow, old thread.

JackMDS · Post by **JackMDS** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 2:44 pm

NetBEUI even works on Win2003.

Does Not work (maybe yet??) on the pre beta Longhorn.

Link to: Set NetBEUI as the Default Sharing Protocol in WinXP.

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Windows XP - Goodbye NetBEUI!?

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