What gives a movie that movie look? OK...the Young and the Restless (yes, my wife forces this on me) has a very live and almost DV Camcorder type of look....just as Who Wants To Be A Millionaire has that same crisp live feel....
So what effect gives or could give dv that feature film look?
BigJimSlate and any others......a question
No, I'm talking about the look of the film itself....Cops has the live look...while the TV show Law and Order has the movie look.Originally posted by fanta
I'd say the props and backgrounds from the stages would give it that look.
YnR has a very unique style of background, unlike the typical soap opera backgrounds.
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Hi uod2001
I Believe it relates to type of Camera used, Plus quality of Lens and most surely type of Film.
I can always spot a Canadian Made Film as it has a different look and feel to it than say a US film.
Ours are not as Soft in Texture it seems to me.
Then to natural and lite scenes play a roll as well i suppose.
We tend to do more outdoor shots here i think
regards
minir
I Believe it relates to type of Camera used, Plus quality of Lens and most surely type of Film.
I can always spot a Canadian Made Film as it has a different look and feel to it than say a US film.
Ours are not as Soft in Texture it seems to me.
Then to natural and lite scenes play a roll as well i suppose.
We tend to do more outdoor shots here i think
regards
minir
Okay, well I think you're just talking about the difference between video and film. Almost everything on TV is shot on some sort of Beta, usually Betacam SP. They're either edited digitally, or the old-fashioned linear way, which is little more than a fancy version of the "two VCRs" method. But what you're looking at is still video. Video is cheap, and video is fast, which is why its used for most things on TV instead of film. Now film has a look of its own, although that itsself has to do with the specific kind of film you're using.
Anyways, one HUGE difference between video and film is the speed. Film is a constant 24 frames per second, while NTSC video is 60 fields per second (a field is an interlaced frame), giving an effect that it almost 30 frames per second (but isn't). This gives video a much smoother look than film does, and is usually how you can tell right away that something has been shot on video to begin with. As far as soaps like "The Young And The Restless", as far as I can tell most soaps are, for the most part, generally very "soft" in both focusing and the lighting. But I don't know if there's a reason for it, since I'm not forced to suffer.
But there's more that I don't have time to explain. As some have already said, simply the type of lens you use can increase the "movie-look" of a camera. Some DV cams now even support a true 30fps mode in order for it to transfer over to film better (film transfers to video fine, but video is horrible when transferred to film in most cases). DV CAN give that "film look" in a few other ways, using various things like a very short depth of field that many films use, but TV almost never does. Lighting is also one thing, since TV lighting is rarely used for "mood", but just to make sure you can see the entire scene. There's also some software that say they can make your video look like film. Does it really fool anyone? No, not really.
But in the end, film and video look different, because...uh...they are different. My Arriflex film camera will always look different from my Canon XL-1, no matter what I do in the end.
Anyways, I've gotta run to work, so if I completely missed the point of the post, I'll fix it when I get back.
And what prompted this question, just pure curiosity (sp)?
Anyways, one HUGE difference between video and film is the speed. Film is a constant 24 frames per second, while NTSC video is 60 fields per second (a field is an interlaced frame), giving an effect that it almost 30 frames per second (but isn't). This gives video a much smoother look than film does, and is usually how you can tell right away that something has been shot on video to begin with. As far as soaps like "The Young And The Restless", as far as I can tell most soaps are, for the most part, generally very "soft" in both focusing and the lighting. But I don't know if there's a reason for it, since I'm not forced to suffer.
But there's more that I don't have time to explain. As some have already said, simply the type of lens you use can increase the "movie-look" of a camera. Some DV cams now even support a true 30fps mode in order for it to transfer over to film better (film transfers to video fine, but video is horrible when transferred to film in most cases). DV CAN give that "film look" in a few other ways, using various things like a very short depth of field that many films use, but TV almost never does. Lighting is also one thing, since TV lighting is rarely used for "mood", but just to make sure you can see the entire scene. There's also some software that say they can make your video look like film. Does it really fool anyone? No, not really.
But in the end, film and video look different, because...uh...they are different.
My Arriflex film camera will always look different from my Canon XL-1, no matter what I do in the end. Anyways, I've gotta run to work, so if I completely missed the point of the post, I'll fix it when I get back.
And what prompted this question, just pure curiosity (sp)?I would add that film and ccd's react differently to light. The type of film and tape (and format) media also does play into the mix.
Filters and other effects can tease other looks. The Deep Space Nine episode which used footage from the original series' "Trouble With Tribbles", adapted to the colour temperature of the first. It looked perfect! Do not underestimate the ability of video effects.
BTW... Frame rate is key... but think of the way that the frames change from video to film. Film blacken the screen and swaps to the next frame. Video has a scan line without a blanking the screen.
shant,
david
Filters and other effects can tease other looks. The Deep Space Nine episode which used footage from the original series' "Trouble With Tribbles", adapted to the colour temperature of the first. It looked perfect! Do not underestimate the ability of video effects.
BTW... Frame rate is key... but think of the way that the frames change from video to film. Film blacken the screen and swaps to the next frame. Video has a scan line without a blanking the screen.
shant,
david
all is a lie
First, thanks to EVERYBODY for the input, very valuable stuff....Originally posted by BIGJIMSLATE
And what prompted this question, just pure curiosity (sp)?
BigJim, I'm looking into making 2 movies...just a goal of mine and mainly for my own personal satisfaction. I'm just curious if there is a software solution for DV that will help me achieve that "movie" feel...
Because I am a novice at this it is hard to explain what I'm seeing and what I'm trying to emulate. It's like if you watch Monday Night football...you see a live picture on the TV screen, if you watch the highlights the following Sunday on NFL films, that same games highlights now have that "dated look". It's the same thing as I was trying to convey earlier but now I have a better understanding of whats going on.
In the end, if I can't achieve the effect that I want, it's ok, cause it's really the story and the music that I want to carry the movie. It would just be a personal plus if I could get it to look like a movie at a low cost.
Right now the project that I've been working on...in outline form, is a mixed bag really. I'm trying to learn to write the film treatment as we speak. It's a horror/supernatural, psychological thriller...but the twist is this...the two main characters are veterans of the Vietnam War.
Most of the storyline is based on true events that happened in my home town when I was a child. The story's wartime events actually happened to my father and is the basis for the motive behind the one lead character.
It's a little about my hometown's boogeyman, a little about my father, and alot about "the depth of fear" which is the working title right now.
Most of the storyline is based on true events that happened in my home town when I was a child. The story's wartime events actually happened to my father and is the basis for the motive behind the one lead character.
It's a little about my hometown's boogeyman, a little about my father, and alot about "the depth of fear" which is the working title right now.
Exactly.Originally posted by colour
film grades
camera type
thats how
The lighting and film types play the largest role in how the film plays out. Keep in mind, made for tv movies/shows aren't filmed like movies or other documentaries. It's all in the grade, and type of film being used. (I dont like the 3D live look like in Soap Operas or Game Shows)
Alot of old B-Movies were filmed like this, and from a consumer standpoint- it just doesnt work for me.
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Perspective at which the cameras capture the action. A live filming of cops has the camera following the action from a fix standing position all the way through.
Movies have the camera pan down from the sky, look up at characters dramatically, and view what is happening with gorgeous scenery included in the background. It all depends on what the camera puts emphasis on and from how many different angles.
Film quality plays a role, as do shaded lenses, but the camera forces you to feel the action depending on its/your viewing perspective.
Movies have the camera pan down from the sky, look up at characters dramatically, and view what is happening with gorgeous scenery included in the background. It all depends on what the camera puts emphasis on and from how many different angles.
Film quality plays a role, as do shaded lenses, but the camera forces you to feel the action depending on its/your viewing perspective.