This video shows the truth behing why our educational system is going down the tubes and why there are school shootings, teenage suicides and other problems with kids today. Despite all of the media hype over the years, the truth has been obscured and purposely withheld from the public.
This video is not for the faint-hearted...
broadband stream in windows media format
Why our schools are failing...
I like the fact where they touched on where they stated that it's no longer the parent bringing up their children and and the children aren't respecting their authority, so what is happening is they are letting their Peers influence them in w hat to do....
just finished the whole video
Wow, all i can say is Wow
Ok now that we know about this, how do we get the word out! Are there more things being done about this? Public awereness is a MUST
just finished the whole video
Wow, all i can say is Wow
Ok now that we know about this, how do we get the word out! Are there more things being done about this? Public awereness is a MUST
"Would you mind not standing on my chest, my hats on fire." - The Doctor
I'm sure that drugs have implications, but the child had to some form of illness in them to begin with. I've been on paxil and I even now take a drug called celexa, but that doesn't change me into a cold blooded killer. This stuff has changed my life drastically and maybe that's a certain thing that is hard to deal with. I would be dead without the meds. Children should not be given ritalin etc. their still developing.
The more I drink, the less I care.
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What I have found up here is that what is happening is the schools have a kid who is different, what they do is call in the parents and threaten nicely that they either get the kid to a doctor and get him on something or they might not be able to deal with the kid and might have to expell him/her.
There is something wrong when the teachers and principles feel they have the right to prescribe medicine. All the crap does in most cases is make the kid like a zombie so the over paid teachers don,t have to deal with active kids. I guess its easier to have a class full of zombies then alive kids.
The sad part is the medical proffession goes along with this and actually writes the prescriptions to nullify the teachers and parents who have been threatened.
There is something wrong when the teachers and principles feel they have the right to prescribe medicine. All the crap does in most cases is make the kid like a zombie so the over paid teachers don,t have to deal with active kids. I guess its easier to have a class full of zombies then alive kids.
The sad part is the medical proffession goes along with this and actually writes the prescriptions to nullify the teachers and parents who have been threatened.
I happen to know atleast 10 people who take medication for ADD or ADHD and all of them would rather be on it than off.
I myself have ADHD but I cant afford any medication so I guess im stuck with it.
But... I have taken ritilin before and wellbutrin from the doctor for it and I can say that they helped a great deal.
Unless all of those people have been through one or more of these problems I cant find any truth behind any of that.
I myself have ADHD but I cant afford any medication so I guess im stuck with it.
But... I have taken ritilin before and wellbutrin from the doctor for it and I can say that they helped a great deal.
Unless all of those people have been through one or more of these problems I cant find any truth behind any of that.
Weelbutrin is also used yo help ya quit smoking. I can't remember the name of the pill, but my doc gave me some. I didn't like what it did. Kinda took the edge off life, things were boring. Zyban, thats the name, really just a branded wellbutrin.
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We have one boy on it and it does help him a great deal, thoughly checked into and prescribed by a pediatrician. I have another boy who the school called me in and they thought that maybe he should be on it. Who the hell is a teacher and what right do they have to tell me that my child should be on Ritlin, when asked for her medical licence she was unable to produce one at which point she was politly told to **** off. These teachers that are prescribing these drugs should be thrown in jail, just as you or I would be if we faked we were a medical practitioner.
I'll tell ya why schools are failing today ... because kids nowadays have no respect for ANYTHING ... authority, themselves, etc.
Now don't get me wrong ... when I was in high school, i probably drank enough beer to pay the lease on the anheuser busch factory for a year .... BUT ... i had some respect for my school, my parents and my elders ... hell yeah, i disagreed with them, but i didn't pull out a friggin' m-16 and waste the whole school..........
WHAT WE NEED TO BRING BACK IS SOME GOOD OLD FASHIONED A$$_WHIPPIN' TO THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM .... of course we can't because the pantywaste liberalists say that's child abuse now (funny how it went on for 250 years and then in the last couple of years it turned into child abuse.
Sorry if i seem harse, but you know i'm right
Now don't get me wrong ... when I was in high school, i probably drank enough beer to pay the lease on the anheuser busch factory for a year .... BUT ... i had some respect for my school, my parents and my elders ... hell yeah, i disagreed with them, but i didn't pull out a friggin' m-16 and waste the whole school..........
WHAT WE NEED TO BRING BACK IS SOME GOOD OLD FASHIONED A$$_WHIPPIN' TO THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM .... of course we can't because the pantywaste liberalists say that's child abuse now (funny how it went on for 250 years and then in the last couple of years it turned into child abuse.
Sorry if i seem harse, but you know i'm right
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Its a multi sided problem, we the current parents wanted it better for our kids.
When I went to school most of the teachers taught because they loved teaching, today most of the teachers teach cause they love the paycheck and 2 months off in the summer, every weekend, every holiday, pensions to live like a king and so on.
Kids today have a very bleek outlook on life, many have grown up with 2 parent working, or broken homes or unemployed fathers.
When I was young, I was ussually given as much respect as I was willing to give, most kids today are given none even if they give it.
When I was young i grew up knowing i would get a part time job, buy a car and pay for all its expenses delivering pizzas at night. Now a kid needs to have a spare $5000 to pay for insurance, gas upkeep, something i could do for maybe $1500.
Like myself on this site, i can learn more from the young peeps because they grew up with this computer stuff, me, i got into it at 35 years old. But i can show them more about other stuff then they could ever learn without 40 years of life.
A$$ whoopins aint where its at. Hope, a future and mutual respect for what and who a person is are whats needed.
When I went to school most of the teachers taught because they loved teaching, today most of the teachers teach cause they love the paycheck and 2 months off in the summer, every weekend, every holiday, pensions to live like a king and so on.
Kids today have a very bleek outlook on life, many have grown up with 2 parent working, or broken homes or unemployed fathers.
When I was young, I was ussually given as much respect as I was willing to give, most kids today are given none even if they give it.
When I was young i grew up knowing i would get a part time job, buy a car and pay for all its expenses delivering pizzas at night. Now a kid needs to have a spare $5000 to pay for insurance, gas upkeep, something i could do for maybe $1500.
Like myself on this site, i can learn more from the young peeps because they grew up with this computer stuff, me, i got into it at 35 years old. But i can show them more about other stuff then they could ever learn without 40 years of life.
A$$ whoopins aint where its at. Hope, a future and mutual respect for what and who a person is are whats needed.
Very well said...Originally posted by Martiangod
Its a multi sided problem, we the current parents wanted it better for our kids.
When I went to school most of the teachers taught because they loved teaching, today most of the teachers teach cause they love the paycheck and 2 months off in the summer, every weekend, every holiday, pensions to live like a king and so on.
Kids today have a very bleek outlook on life, many have grown up with 2 parent working, or broken homes or unemployed fathers.
When I was young, I was ussually given as much respect as I was willing to give, most kids today are given none even if they give it.
When I was young i grew up knowing i would get a part time job, buy a car and pay for all its expenses delivering pizzas at night. Now a kid needs to have a spare $5000 to pay for insurance, gas upkeep, something i could do for maybe $1500.
Like myself on this site, i can learn more from the young peeps because they grew up with this computer stuff, me, i got into it at 35 years old. But i can show them more about other stuff then they could ever learn without 40 years of life.
A$$ whoopins aint where its at. Hope, a future and mutual respect for what and who a person is are whats needed.
My best friend is 45yrs old and he treats me liek a mature adult just like I treat him.
He doesnt know much about PCs but I garuntee he has taught me more about life than I have ever taught him about PCs.
Its all about respect.
I could have starred in that Video! It is so true! This country is over medicated in my opinion!
My son has always been a handful, what some people would call a Rowdy little boy. He has alway been high stung and will give you a run for your money.
When he started Kindergarten, I recieved a call from the school telling me that he had Attention Deficiet Disorder and that he needed to be put on Ridilin (Mind you this is a teacher giving me medical advise). I went down to that school and got bullied the same way that martian discribed. That if I did not do what they said that he would end up being expelled.
Well I went down and got in that Damn teachers face like you have never seen! I think the thing that p!ssed her off the most, was when I told her that I was not going to sedate my son so that she could sit on her Fat Ass all day and not have to deal with these kids.
I myself have tried a few of the drugs mentioned. Celexa left me unable to hold a thought for any amount time, so I was walking around allday like Duh....
Paxil had no affect at all. The doctors have told me that I suffer from severe depression but sometimes I think that this is just who I am, using a drug to alter my state of mind will not cure me, it will only supress me...
My son has always been a handful, what some people would call a Rowdy little boy. He has alway been high stung and will give you a run for your money.
When he started Kindergarten, I recieved a call from the school telling me that he had Attention Deficiet Disorder and that he needed to be put on Ridilin (Mind you this is a teacher giving me medical advise). I went down to that school and got bullied the same way that martian discribed. That if I did not do what they said that he would end up being expelled.
Well I went down and got in that Damn teachers face like you have never seen! I think the thing that p!ssed her off the most, was when I told her that I was not going to sedate my son so that she could sit on her Fat Ass all day and not have to deal with these kids.
I myself have tried a few of the drugs mentioned. Celexa left me unable to hold a thought for any amount time, so I was walking around allday like Duh....
Paxil had no affect at all. The doctors have told me that I suffer from severe depression but sometimes I think that this is just who I am, using a drug to alter my state of mind will not cure me, it will only supress me...
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I agree with this 100%Originally posted by Claude_Ballz
I'll tell ya why schools are failing today ... because kids nowadays have no respect for ANYTHING ... authority, themselves, etc.
Now don't get me wrong ... when I was in high school, i probably drank enough beer to pay the lease on the anheuser busch factory for a year .... BUT ... i had some respect for my school, my parents and my elders ... hell yeah, i disagreed with them, but i didn't pull out a friggin' m-16 and waste the whole school..........
WHAT WE NEED TO BRING BACK IS SOME GOOD OLD FASHIONED A$$_WHIPPIN' TO THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM .... of course we can't because the pantywaste liberalists say that's child abuse now (funny how it went on for 250 years and then in the last couple of years it turned into child abuse.
Sorry if i seem harse, but you know i'm right
Kids today have no respect for anything and why?
Because they fear nothing, they know that they are kids and that they have more rights then anyone else around.
If a kid has nothing to fear, then he has NO boundries....
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Hey y'all I need some more good links like this.
My brother in-law, who is nine, is going through this crap right now. He's far from stupid, but is having a hard time in school. He's very active and it's hard to get him to sit down and concentrate. The school board is putting my mother in-law through hell right now with evaluations and doctors. She had to go up against a review board of eight people and get told how he did on the reviews. They even made her get a review on my sister in-law who is thirteen. They want to classify him with ADD in order for her to get him into special-ed classes to help him. They want her to give him drugs too, but she won't let them.
He failed last year but they are going to pass him anyway since he's been held back once already. Is that some dumb sh!t or what?
At this point everybody is unsure of what to do, no drugs is certain, and they don't want him labled with some disorder. But around here if he doesn't have a "problem" they won't give him any special help for his grades.
The test that the schoolboard uses came from this company, (Western Psychological Services)
http://www.wpspublish.com/wpsf06.htm
And what pisses me off the most is the fu@king test was copyright in 1977!! The test isn't even available anymore.
He's a handfull, no denying that, but what can be done in order to help this kid learn better?
My brother in-law, who is nine, is going through this crap right now. He's far from stupid, but is having a hard time in school. He's very active and it's hard to get him to sit down and concentrate. The school board is putting my mother in-law through hell right now with evaluations and doctors. She had to go up against a review board of eight people and get told how he did on the reviews. They even made her get a review on my sister in-law who is thirteen. They want to classify him with ADD in order for her to get him into special-ed classes to help him. They want her to give him drugs too, but she won't let them.
He failed last year but they are going to pass him anyway since he's been held back once already. Is that some dumb sh!t or what?
At this point everybody is unsure of what to do, no drugs is certain, and they don't want him labled with some disorder. But around here if he doesn't have a "problem" they won't give him any special help for his grades.
The test that the schoolboard uses came from this company, (Western Psychological Services)
http://www.wpspublish.com/wpsf06.htm
And what pisses me off the most is the fu@king test was copyright in 1977!! The test isn't even available anymore.
He's a handfull, no denying that, but what can be done in order to help this kid learn better?
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These friggin teachers and boards of Ed are really pissing me off, THEY ARE NOT DOCTORS!!!
what is wrong with them people. Take the boy to a good pediatrician and have him checked out. If you get a good Ped that will back you you may be able to stand up to them.
In some cases the meds will help, it did with our one son. But let a qualified Pedeatritian help you make that choice
what is wrong with them people. Take the boy to a good pediatrician and have him checked out. If you get a good Ped that will back you you may be able to stand up to them.
In some cases the meds will help, it did with our one son. But let a qualified Pedeatritian help you make that choice
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Well, in a nutshell.Originally posted by the_mp3_refuge
Hey guys, wow some powerful stuff taking place in that video. Too bad I'm on 56k tried to play it and didn't work. Could one of you guys tell me what it is about so I can join the discussion please?
Kids are being given powerful drugs to sedate/calm them.
The kids are also being taught wierdo classes, death clinics, sex ed at young ages, taken them to morgues and funeral homes.
It seems that schools/doctors get a kickback from the pharmacutical companies.
The drugs are comparable to cocaine, but even more active in the brain that coke.
Lotsa kids to VERY bad things after taking said drugs.
The teachers seem hell bent on advising for/or adopt a pro-drug standpoint. This stance is further enhanced by threats of expelling the students.
ADD is the new "en vouge" malady of the day, and its profitable for schools and doctors to pigeon-hole kids into that realm.
The thrust of the video was a warning, not to let the quasi-doctors in the school system play guinea-pig with kids noggins. To explore every avenue, be it dicipline, diet, or a head shrinker, before slipping them some drugs.
I belive, hell I KNOW if I was in grade school right now I'd be targeted for ADD. I'm still fidgetity, attention span like a spider monkey, but I did okay. I'm just a hyper person. I thrive on no sleep, and get restless quickly. I so glad they didn't pump me full of sedatives.
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I do NOT agree with this video. One of my best freinds has ADD caused by her mother drinking while pregnant, she is NOT about to go blow someone away just because she's on drugs to controll it.
Also, most of the people I know who have Dislexia require drugs to allow them to function in everyday life as if the did NOT have the drugs, they have sever panic attacks and have been known to misread WALK/DO NOT WALK signs.
The problem they are speaking of says the students have ALL been on medications, but many problemed students ARE NOT on such drugs, many of them are from broken familes where the parents do NOT care and are drunk or high on variouse illegal drugs.
Also, most of the people I know who have Dislexia require drugs to allow them to function in everyday life as if the did NOT have the drugs, they have sever panic attacks and have been known to misread WALK/DO NOT WALK signs.
The problem they are speaking of says the students have ALL been on medications, but many problemed students ARE NOT on such drugs, many of them are from broken familes where the parents do NOT care and are drunk or high on variouse illegal drugs.
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Roundeye,
I can tell you what worked for me. I cut the kids sugar intake to almost zero, that helped alot! I also signed him up for little league baseball so that he could learn to focus.
He is 13 now and he has settled down quite a bit. Sugar is still an issue, if the kid has to much, it is like he get's a buzz off of it.
I am not saying that there are not kids out there who do really need medications to help them but I think that it is becoming a catch all disagnosis for any kid that is a little rowdy or high strung.
I can tell you what worked for me. I cut the kids sugar intake to almost zero, that helped alot! I also signed him up for little league baseball so that he could learn to focus.
He is 13 now and he has settled down quite a bit. Sugar is still an issue, if the kid has to much, it is like he get's a buzz off of it.
I am not saying that there are not kids out there who do really need medications to help them but I think that it is becoming a catch all disagnosis for any kid that is a little rowdy or high strung.
"By replying to you, I acknowledge that you exist. By Ignoring you, I am mearly saying that you are not worthy of breathing."
Also, most of the people I know who have Dislexia require drugs to allow them to function in everyday life as if the did NOT have the drugs
You missed the point here. Dislexia and other so called diseases are BOGUS. Sure, the symptoms of SOMETHING are visible. A kid looks hyper. He can't read front to back. He sees TEXT differently. (but what about other stuff he sees? Does he see a tree backwards or a car? - NO NO NO!) Only text.
These diseases are created by the psyche profession. They observe the symptoms of various things in people and VOTE the names of diseases into existance at their yearly national conferences. The new diseases are then entered into the latest edition of their Diagnostic & Statistical Manual. That's how these illnesses get created!
Sure, some kids require more work. Some are mentally unstable and more prone to accudents, illness, trouble and learning difficulties. But ALL can be cured with competent medical handlings, hard working teachers and tutors, good reading programs such as phonics, nutritional handlings and more.
The MAIN POINT THAT YOU MISSED HERE is that the schools PUSH the idea of labling kids because they get federal MONEY for each labled kid and they have grown dependant upon that federal money as a part of their annual budgets! They have NO SOLUTION to handling kids' learning difficulties and they do not want one either. Why would they? School boards consist of lay people that are interested in getting more money for their schools for teachers that do not teach, for psyche programs that teach goofy stuff and create more wierded out students that can be labled....it's a viscious circle that generates more funding and damages our schools & kids.
All of this is evident by the declining IQ and reading levels of kids over an extended period of time. Modern IQ tests and SAT's and other placement tests have been "curved" to hide the failures to educate. There is no way that today's average students could pass placement tests that were given in 1960 or 1970. Same for IQ tests and aptitude tests.
Why? Because the declining educational system gets NO funding when the average scores for their students fall below national average. The solution? Alter the testing so more students get better scores! That's criminal to say the least.
As for the idea that these troubled kids had "mental problems" before seeing the psyches & getting medicated, well that is just as goofy an idea. ALL kids have some mental issues. ALL adults have mental issues. ALL people have mental issues. But, NOT ALL people dramatize their hidden fears and terrors. Most have self-discipline and self-control. And they do not buy into the idea of "Johnny is troubled because his mother & father divorced" or "He is a troubled lad because of this & that". Johnny is troubled because Johnny is troubled! That's alll there is to it! There need not be any more significant reason than that, other than Johnny is troubled because Johnny has failed to learn his educational basics in school and in life. All who do not understand the basics of life and schooling will be troublesome people. Obviously if a person goes around in life mis-understanding most of it, he will cause trouble!
TonyT, I see your point. For many students that may be the point, however, while working with a Resource teacher in a high school networking her classroom my junior year, I saw kids that would sit with her to try and learn to read, it was difficult to immposible for them to learn it. I asked one of the other students in the room why he thought he had such a hard time learning to read and his reply was simple
Also, the district I attened does not get much federal money when it comes to students with learning disabilities, they actually get less unless the student is at a continuation school."I know I should be able to do it, but my mom did crank when she was prgnant and tht caused damage to certant parts of the brain"
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You wrapped it up in a nutshell Tony.
If I went along with the school, I would have 3 boys drugged up. Like I said, I do have one who is on meds, but this was not pushed by the school but prescribed by a pediatrician.
I don't know of a single family around here who havn't been pushed by the schools to get their kids medicated becasue there is a problem.
Thats horse****.
Teach the kids something usefull
give them some hope
spot early that the kid who is having trouble may just be bored and need more, A very inteligent child who is not pushed to their limit in an educational environment will have trouble doing their 3 R's.
If these kids are drugged and subdued to follow the school line, how are they to function in society after school when the schools need for them to be drugged is gone?
Ask any drug addict what happens if you just take away their drugs cold.
And this is not a small problem, we're not talking about 1 or 2 kids in a school, we're talking about a large percentage of kids in North America who are drugged daily for school board purposes.
Attention Deficit Disorder = Teachers who lack the ability or want to make a classroom interesting and an education system that lacks interesting meaningfull curriculum(Sp).
If I went along with the school, I would have 3 boys drugged up. Like I said, I do have one who is on meds, but this was not pushed by the school but prescribed by a pediatrician.
I don't know of a single family around here who havn't been pushed by the schools to get their kids medicated becasue there is a problem.
Thats horse****.
Teach the kids something usefull
give them some hope
spot early that the kid who is having trouble may just be bored and need more, A very inteligent child who is not pushed to their limit in an educational environment will have trouble doing their 3 R's.
If these kids are drugged and subdued to follow the school line, how are they to function in society after school when the schools need for them to be drugged is gone?
Ask any drug addict what happens if you just take away their drugs cold.
And this is not a small problem, we're not talking about 1 or 2 kids in a school, we're talking about a large percentage of kids in North America who are drugged daily for school board purposes.
Attention Deficit Disorder = Teachers who lack the ability or want to make a classroom interesting and an education system that lacks interesting meaningfull curriculum(Sp).
Im not sure how many schizophrenics you've been around or how many manic depressives you've been around or OCD suffers but all the healthy eating and "self control" in the world ain't gonna do didly sh!t for these poor people. These are very real very terrible pshyciatric diseases that rob a person of a normal life. I do agree that in many cases teachers and caregivers are quick on the trigger when it come to diagnoseing mental disorders and I also have never bought into that whole ADHD garbage. To denigrate the entire pshyciatric industry is wrong imho. That little piece reminded me of a propaganda film.Originally posted by TonyT
But ALL can be cured with competent medical handlings, hard working teachers and tutors, good reading programs such as phonics, nutritional handlings and more.
As for the idea that these troubled kids had "mental problems" before seeing the psyches & getting medicated, well that is just as goofy an idea. ALL kids have some mental issues. ALL adults have mental issues. ALL people have mental issues. But, NOT ALL people dramatize their hidden fears and terrors. Most have self-discipline and self-control. And they do not buy into the idea of "Johnny is troubled because his mother & father divorced" or "He is a troubled lad because of this & that". Johnny is troubled because Johnny is troubled! That's alll there is to it! There need not be any more significant reason than that, other than Johnny is troubled because Johnny has failed to learn his educational basics in school and in life. All who do not understand the basics of life and schooling will be troublesome people. Obviously if a person goes around in life mis-understanding most of it, he will cause trouble!
She's presenting like a mandrill!
Originally posted by RoundEye
Hey y'all I need some more good links like this.
My brother in-law, who is nine, is going through this crap right now. He's far from stupid, but is having a hard time in school. He's very active and it's hard to get him to sit down and concentrate. The school board is putting my mother in-law through hell right now with evaluations and doctors. She had to go up against a review board of eight people and get told how he did on the reviews. They even made her get a review on my sister in-law who is thirteen. They want to classify him with ADD in order for her to get him into special-ed classes to help him. They want her to give him drugs too, but she won't let them.
He failed last year but they are going to pass him anyway since he's been held back once already. Is that some dumb sh!t or what?
At this point everybody is unsure of what to do, no drugs is certain, and they don't want him labled with some disorder. But around here if he doesn't have a "problem" they won't give him any special help for his grades.
The test that the schoolboard uses came from this company, (Western Psychological Services)
http://www.wpspublish.com/wpsf06.htm
And what pisses me off the most is the fu@king test was copyright in 1977!! The test isn't even available anymore.
He's a handfull, no denying that, but what can be done in order to help this kid learn better?
There could be a couple of things that are influencing his ability to learn... Everyone has a specific learning style - most of us can learn regardless of the manner in which information is presented, but a lot of people can't. (Auditory, visual, even tactile. Determining this requires quite a bit of individual attention, and something that the school psychologist COULD help with.)
Since he is apparently a bright boy, it's likely that he's BORED. Kids react differently to boredom - some even act out... If they are able to find the way that he learns best, that will probably help with his boredom.
Other suggestions including involving him in sports is a great idea - it will help not only teach him how to channel is energy, but also give him a sense of pride when he has found something in which he excels... Probably a good thing.
Good luck!
I like you! Stay hereOriginally posted by Andrea
There could be a couple of things that are influencing his ability to learn... Everyone has a specific learning style - most of us can learn regardless of the manner in which information is presented, but a lot of people can't. (Auditory, visual, even tactile. Determining this requires quite a bit of individual attention, and something that the school psychologist COULD help with.)
Since he is apparently a bright boy, it's likely that he's BORED. Kids react differently to boredom - some even act out... If they are able to find the way that he learns best, that will probably help with his boredom.
Other suggestions including involving him in sports is a great idea - it will help not only teach him how to channel is energy, but also give him a sense of pride when he has found something in which he excels... Probably a good thing.
Good luck!
TonyT,Originally posted by TonyT
You missed the point here. Dislexia and other so called diseases are BOGUS. Sure, the symptoms of SOMETHING are visible. A kid looks hyper. He can't read front to back. He sees TEXT differently. (but what about other stuff he sees? Does he see a tree backwards or a car? - NO NO NO!) Only text.
These diseases are created by the psyche profession. They observe the symptoms of various things in people and VOTE the names of diseases into existance at their yearly national conferences. The new diseases are then entered into the latest edition of their Diagnostic & Statistical Manual. That's how these illnesses get created!
Sure, some kids require more work. Some are mentally unstable and more prone to accudents, illness, trouble and learning difficulties. But ALL can be cured with competent medical handlings, hard working teachers and tutors, good reading programs such as phonics, nutritional handlings and more.
The MAIN POINT THAT YOU MISSED HERE is that the schools PUSH the idea of labling kids because they get federal MONEY for each labled kid and they have grown dependant upon that federal money as a part of their annual budgets! They have NO SOLUTION to handling kids' learning difficulties and they do not want one either. Why would they? School boards consist of lay people that are interested in getting more money for their schools for teachers that do not teach, for psyche programs that teach goofy stuff and create more wierded out students that can be labled....it's a viscious circle that generates more funding and damages our schools & kids.
All of this is evident by the declining IQ and reading levels of kids over an extended period of time. Modern IQ tests and SAT's and other placement tests have been "curved" to hide the failures to educate. There is no way that today's average students could pass placement tests that were given in 1960 or 1970. Same for IQ tests and aptitude tests.
Why? Because the declining educational system gets NO funding when the average scores for their students fall below national average. The solution? Alter the testing so more students get better scores! That's criminal to say the least.
As for the idea that these troubled kids had "mental problems" before seeing the psyches & getting medicated, well that is just as goofy an idea. ALL kids have some mental issues. ALL adults have mental issues. ALL people have mental issues. But, NOT ALL people dramatize their hidden fears and terrors. Most have self-discipline and self-control. And they do not buy into the idea of "Johnny is troubled because his mother & father divorced" or "He is a troubled lad because of this & that". Johnny is troubled because Johnny is troubled! That's alll there is to it! There need not be any more significant reason than that, other than Johnny is troubled because Johnny has failed to learn his educational basics in school and in life. All who do not understand the basics of life and schooling will be troublesome people. Obviously if a person goes around in life mis-understanding most of it, he will cause trouble!
I understand your disdain for the Psychiatric profession, but you are seriously misinformed with regard to dyslexia. I suffered from the disease as a child and a teen. I was through great effort that I overcame the disability.
We all live with pain, still there is a point in which we cannot cope with the distress. We all have some level of neurosis, and like physical maladies, some require remediation.
Are we, in general, too quick to medicate? Yes. Ritalin is handed out like vitamins to students of often lazy teachers. The enterainment media has trained our children to have short attention spans. I believe non-medicinal means can correct this problem.
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He plays baseball after school and goes skating a lot on the weekends at a local rink. Plus once he gets home he never stops, riding his bike, playing or moving.Originally posted by Andrea
There could be a couple of things that are influencing his ability to learn... Everyone has a specific learning style - most of us can learn regardless of the manner in which information is presented, but a lot of people can't. (Auditory, visual, even tactile. Determining this requires quite a bit of individual attention, and something that the school psychologist COULD help with.)
Since he is apparently a bright boy, it's likely that he's BORED. Kids react differently to boredom - some even act out... If they are able to find the way that he learns best, that will probably help with his boredom.
Other suggestions including involving him in sports is a great idea - it will help not only teach him how to channel is energy, but also give him a sense of pride when he has found something in which he excels... Probably a good thing.
Good luck!
I don't know about other cities but here in New Orleans they took away recess for the young kids. Now they have to sit in class all day except for lunch. What's a kid to do with all that energy? We really are trying to figure out a way to help him without resorting to drugs. In the evaulations they just want to give him drugs without any alternative.
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And the people let that happen, WTF is wrong with people. Social interaction is more important than the garbage they teach in class.Originally posted by RoundEye
I don't know about other cities but here in New Orleans they took away recess for the young kids.
Like I said earlier, have a pediatrician of your choosing do an assesment on him,
It may be possible that he should be getting help of some sort, but then again who knows
How much sugar does he consume?Originally posted by RoundEye
He plays baseball after school and goes skating a lot on the weekends at a local rink. Plus once he gets home he never stops, riding his bike, playing or moving.
I don't know about other cities but here in New Orleans they took away recess for the young kids. Now they have to sit in class all day except for lunch. What's a kid to do with all that energy? We really are trying to figure out a way to help him without resorting to drugs. In the evaulations they just want to give him drugs without any alternative.
My kids loved koolaid and popcycles but when you think about this is Pure sugar. When I started giving them more milk, juice's, and fruit you could really see the differance. It took about a month for me to be convinced that it was working because of course the doctors say that sugar has no affect on them. They are wrong
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Originally posted by RoundEye
He plays baseball after school and goes skating a lot on the weekends at a local rink. Plus once he gets home he never stops, riding his bike, playing or moving.
I don't know about other cities but here in New Orleans they took away recess for the young kids. Now they have to sit in class all day except for lunch. What's a kid to do with all that energy? We really are trying to figure out a way to help him without resorting to drugs. In the evaulations they just want to give him drugs without any alternative.
Sounds like he's pretty involved already! Cancelling recess is awful... (I wonder how the adults make it through half a day without it too! Personally, I like to get up and move around to clear my head.)
Does he walk to school? I know a lot of kids don't... But some physical activity before school might help.
There was a book, originally published in the '70s, which clearly described how to best modify the diet of hyper active children. Mouse could be right - sugar has quite an effect. (If you can't find that book - soory don't know the author or title - look for the Sugar Busters books. I understand they're very good.)
Have to agree with mouse.Originally posted by mouse
How much sugar does he consume?
My kids loved koolaid and popcycles but when you think about this is Pure sugar. When I started giving them more milk, juice's, and fruit you could really see the differance. It took about a month for me to be convinced that it was working because of course the doctors say that sugar has no affect on them. They are wrong
My wife is a great example of what mouse is talking about.
If I give her really sweet chocolate, her mood changes fast.
