Need some opinions

terrancelam · Post by **terrancelam** » Thu Aug 09, 2001 2:34 am

On what to buy..ahh my mind is so fickle, I want something newer and faster then my celerieII(Like a nice 1.33ghz T-bird), but then again it runs a bit hot. Or should I wait for the A4 for come out? My budget is like $400 canadian for a mobo and CPU, including our ever so high 15% sales tax.

Crump · Post by **Crump** » Thu Aug 09, 2001 2:39 am

spend it all

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Thu Aug 09, 2001 2:52 am

A4 + KG7

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Thu Aug 09, 2001 7:52 am

Abit KG7 has gotten some favorable reviews...

Joe · Post by **Joe** » Thu Aug 09, 2001 7:57 am

When the hell is the non raid KG7 going to be out?

terrancelam · Post by **terrancelam** » Thu Aug 09, 2001 4:19 pm

A month after they release the KG7. Dunno, what I do what to know is if I'll need a new chipset/mobo for the A4.

Gaming-Module · Post by **Gaming-Module** » Thu Aug 09, 2001 4:30 pm

If I go any Athlon I want a board that has both SDRAM and DDR SDRAM capability.

Future choice is nice.

I thought A4's could be put on today's AMD mobos?

terrancelam · Post by **terrancelam** » Thu Aug 09, 2001 4:44 pm

but they haven't released any white papers or info on what it's going to be like yet...and I know the MP needs it's own chipset from AMD to run, so ...ehh, not sure. As a tech guy a computer store( who I think is a dolt because he thought that the Abit KT7A-R 266 was an actually DDR dimm board, when it's actually SD-ram, with the CPU to board running at 266mhz). and anyways, he said a converter for the current socket A board might be needed?!?!...ahh I don't know..Looking pricey to me. HEY!! WTF? nooo it's 25% all the way...

HelloNhalleluja · Post by **HelloNhalleluja** » Thu Aug 09, 2001 8:47 pm

i see your upgrading, hehe, your celeron is probably burnt already, i'm waiting for a4, it's a lot better, when does it come out anyways?

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Thu Aug 09, 2001 9:17 pm

terrancelam

From what I read on different places, you won't need a different mobo for Athlon 4. It's socket A so from what I understand, take the abit kg7. It should support up to the hammer anyway. Talk about upgradability eh?

So if you were to buy a 1 gig tbird today, with the almost released KG7, you could upgrade it to a 1.5 Athlon 4 at the end of September. And continue upgrading it when the Athlon 4's speed are increased. Don't know about the hammer though cuz it's supposed to be 64 bit architecture.

terrancelam · Post by **terrancelam** » Thu Aug 09, 2001 10:27 pm

hmmmm Not sure what I should do, I don't know if I should go DDR. I wanted to keep this Upgrade on a budget if I went DDR with the KG7, I think I'd be looking at (Using the price of the Asus A7M266=$259 + I'll give it $400 for an A4=$659+Tax=$757CAD) JESUS! Thats the price of a new box! ack! I can feel my heart going!

As for you HnH, I'll ask polightly only once. Your not welcome here,stop posting. I'll never aid/talk to such a rude person. You shouldn't have insulted me or any of the members here.

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Thu Aug 09, 2001 11:08 pm

You could use the EpoX 8K7A board that gets great reviews. If you didn't need RAID, you can get it for just over $100 dollars american. Add a 1.2 Thunderbird, and a stick of DDR and use the rest of your stuff. Man I wonder if Canada has a huge import duty for tech stuff? I do know there is a difference in the exchange rate.

About the EpoX board. cornbread is using it and loves it. He's just learning how to overclock and is doing fine with it. Anyway you could PM him about it if he dosn't see this thread. Oh yeah, if you had your heart set on a built in RAID the EpoX also comes in that flavor. It's the EpoX 8K7A+ . It has the same Highpoint controller as the Abit KG7. And it sells for around $130. Thats about $50 cheaper than the Abit board lists for.

http://www.amdmb.com lists it as their mobo of choice right now. At least till the Abit board comes out.

brembo · Post by **brembo** » Thu Aug 09, 2001 11:14 pm

terrancelam-

Dammed if ya do, dammed if ya don't. My policy is to get what fits my budget the best. If comps are VERY important, spend the dough and eat mac and cheese for a few weeks. You will never have the absoulute latest and greatest, companies see to that with R and D. I'd be a basket case over buying this P4 if I bought it because I wanted the "best". I got the one that suited my needs and dovetailed with my budget. Keep this in mind before ya blow a huge sum, good luck too.

HongKongPolice · Post by **HongKongPolice** » Fri Aug 10, 2001 12:02 am

Dude, use some common sense, its not like you're stuck with a 486 trying to run Quake3, you've got a 1.1Ghz as it is, do you think an extra 400Mhz or so will make a HUGE difference?? Sure, it'll shave a new microseconds off the load time, but is it worth $400 to you? Hell if you're a rich bastard, then go ahead 'n blow it all, but to the average joe, it is not worth it.

Most of the ppl in north America have comps around the 500Mhz mark, you're more than twice that speed.

terrancelam · Post by **terrancelam** » Fri Aug 10, 2001 12:20 am

But I need the speed for my video editing, my rents plan on throwing out my ever so costly anime collection, so I'm trying to convert as many as I can to MPEG-1 format will I can, at the best quality and so far, with my celeron, it's just sucking plan old man testicle. So I asked around and people told me that getting a Athlon would improve my performance and lost frames. Not only that, I was due for an upgrade anyways(I borrowed(technically not mine) this board from my friend, but the cpu is mine.) So I thought I might upgrade now, while there is an economic slow down and prices are low. You know? All about the situation.

HongKongPolice · Post by **HongKongPolice** » Fri Aug 10, 2001 1:37 am

Why they throwing it out? Itz not like it costs money to maintain em or something, geez

A new mobo will solve your problems, Memory bandwidth is the problem, not CPU speed. Why don't you capture the video uncompressed first, then compress it??

HelloNhalleluja · Post by **HelloNhalleluja** » Fri Aug 10, 2001 3:48 am

Originally posted by terrancelam

As for you HnH, I'll ask polightly only once. Your not welcome here,stop posting. I'll never aid/talk to such a rude person. You shouldn't have insulted me or any of the members here.

haha there you go again, i'm ignoring you

, it's your choice, i'd rather not be enimies forever

terrancelam · Post by **terrancelam** » Fri Aug 10, 2001 8:06 pm

capturing the video from the video in port! Like I was told, the amount of L2 cache + cpu speed(Plus the General core) of the celeronII isn't as good for video conversion/capture. But I'm still on the deciding block of to upgrade now or not to upgrade. But I just want to make an intelligent decision that will suit me.

Gaming-Module · Post by **Gaming-Module** » Fri Aug 10, 2001 8:11 pm

I'm waiting at least until october before I make a vid card purchase and until february 02 to get a cpu and mobo combo.

HongKongPolice · Post by **HongKongPolice** » Fri Aug 10, 2001 8:29 pm

Originally posted by terrancelam
capturing the video from the video in port! Like I was told, the amount of L2 cache + cpu speed(Plus the General core) of the celeronII isn't as good for video conversion/capture. But I'm still on the deciding block of to upgrade now or not to upgrade. But I just want to make an intelligent decision that will suit me.

Well you were told wrong, the Celeron core is EXACTLY the same as the P3 core but with less Cache, the speed you're running @ is PLENTY enough for video capture. I'm 95% sure its your memory bandwidth that is the bottleneck, or maybe you're trying to compress on the fly, make sure you're just capturing, not compressing @ the same time.

Think, video capture has been around for YEARS, back then they didn't have 1Ghz CPUs, yet they still captured smoothly, why would your 1.1Ghz CPU be too slow now??

terrancelam · Post by **terrancelam** » Fri Aug 10, 2001 9:00 pm

Can you then recommend a good board for my celerie?

Barring that, should I just wait till the end of 2001 to see what pops out?

HongKongPolice · Post by **HongKongPolice** » Fri Aug 10, 2001 9:17 pm

I just asked 1 of my friends who does a lot of video capturing, hes got a P3 500 and he can capture @ 640x480 @30fps NO PROBLEMS at all. I think you're trying to capture AND compress @ the same time, make you're just capturing, not compressing.

The rest of his system sux too, hez got 256MB, old IBM HD, crappy ATI All in Wonder card, etc.

terrancelam · Post by **terrancelam** » Fri Aug 10, 2001 9:32 pm

I'm capturing using the VCD quality (MPEG-1) and I can hit 0% frame loss at 352x240 no problem( and that when It's at 1.1ghz.) Anything else and it'll start shedding frames like crazy. I've lost like 30% of frames just because I changed it from 352x240 to 640X480.
And when I try to capture and compress, I lose more frames!
BTW can you put me in touch with your friend?
From the stats and benchs at Intel's website, the celeron, when clock for clock, apparently can't perform at the same level at P3's.

HongKongPolice · Post by **HongKongPolice** » Fri Aug 10, 2001 9:58 pm

You sure you're not compressing on the fly?? After you finished capturing, is the finished file *.avi or *.mpg?

Obviously, Intel would rather have ppl buy their high end CPUs than their low end celeries. No matter what, your CPU is still faster than my friend's crappy P3 500, I don't even think my friend has a coppermine, i think its the older Katmai core too, pure BS with extermal L2 cache

Msg me your ICQ i'll send it to my friend

terrancelam · Post by **terrancelam** » Sat Aug 11, 2001 2:51 pm

He recently wanted to learn about ocing, so he bought a celeronII 700mhz ( I warned him about it's crappy, but other gaming happy performance). But I also asked him to do a comparison between the celeronII 700 and his (Slot)Intel PIII667 with the video conversion on that VCD file format. He told me that he could do it with a 0-5% loss of frames, while the celeronII700mhz lost about 10-20% of frames. So from what I gather, it's the the cpu that totally makes up for performance in video conversion..hmm making that upgrade of a T-bird even more enticing.

terrancelam · Post by **terrancelam** » Sat Aug 11, 2001 2:52 pm

Under AVI conversion, I've got like 12mins of recording time apparently, which sucks ass, (I have 15 gig of hd space free!)

Also by comparison, the Athlon T-bird 1.333 ghz out performs a P4 1.6ghz(Which uses RD-ram) in the frames per second match up. So I've come to this conclusion of the CeleronII once again. Although video conversion is possible with this CPU, it's been bottlenecked in this area to allow for better sales of the PIII /P4 for high application uses. A clever marketing ploy, the celeronII is crippled so badly, that even your friends old katmath 500 cpu could beat in a the video encoding area. Hell, even the PII scores better then some of the celeronII, that's why it sucks so much.

HongKongPolice · Post by **HongKongPolice** » Sat Aug 11, 2001 7:24 pm

Umm you're compressing ON THE FLY, DO NOT do that. My friend captures everything first, THEN compresses it.

You gotta realize that your mobo has very crappy memory bandwidth, i'm sure your friend's mobo doesn't or else he'll get the same results as you.

I dunno what software you're using but its obviously bugged, 12minutes of uncompressed AVI DOES NOT take up 15gigs of space. Unless you set it to capture @ 1024x768 @ 60fps or something.

terrancelam · Post by **terrancelam** » Sat Aug 11, 2001 10:47 pm

I'm using the ATI software that come with it, so I don't know if there is anything better out there. But as I mentioned earlier, T-birds and PIII's are better at conversion on the fly.

Psalmist · Post by **Psalmist** » Sat Aug 11, 2001 11:12 pm

You would do better with an IDE RAID or Scsi HD.
Otherwise, reduce the data rate... You will lose some quality, but not drop as many frames

terrancelam · Post by **terrancelam** » Sat Aug 11, 2001 11:51 pm

was considering getting raid if I got a upgrade. hmm...BTW, I did shed the mb per sec off. I was converting on the fly using VCD quality, and the quality of the movie was absolute garbage, but it was flawless with the no frames lost. But Not exactly what I'm looking for.

Psalmist · Post by **Psalmist** » Sun Aug 12, 2001 12:11 am

Precluding a system overhaul, a small ultra SCSI drive and card might do the trick. even a 9 GIG drive will be more than enough.

RAID, of course seems less expensive in the long run. It is what I currently use. 640x480... no problems.

I cannot say I like dropping the data rate either. You do what is necessary....

terrancelam · Post by **terrancelam** » Sun Aug 12, 2001 12:17 am

But it's just too diturbing to see such great quality video crapped out like that! Oh well...BTW do you know how large AVI files should usually be?

HongKongPolice · Post by **HongKongPolice** » Sun Aug 12, 2001 1:40 am

If you're capturing from a VCR, you should be using 320x240, cuz VCR quality is really low. Did you try capturing without compressing? No frames lost right? Your problem is solved.

terrancelam · Post by **terrancelam** » Sun Aug 12, 2001 1:53 pm

but....the freakin files are HUGE and I'm left little or no space to even bother converting them. God I wish I knew what I was getting into.

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