Do Freemasons worship Satan?

messiah · Post by **messiah** » Tue May 29, 2001 7:41 pm

Let me Know

Matt615 · Post by **Matt615** » Tue May 29, 2001 7:43 pm

???????????

messiah · Post by **messiah** » Tue May 29, 2001 7:43 pm

Whats the problem?

You need more info?

David · Post by **David** » Tue May 29, 2001 7:47 pm

Inadvertantly....
Idol worship... not a fave in the Old Testament

messiah · Post by **messiah** » Tue May 29, 2001 7:51 pm

David..

Thanks for replying.

Check out some of the links from the google search I posted. I've found some really bizzare articles about them, and I found something I wanted to send to you. Right in the heart of this ghetto area of Fort Worth is the Masonic Youth Home, and it's amazing!! The landscaping is superior to even our monuments in Dallas. It has several catherdral style buildings, and right on the sign is a HUGE masonic compass.. facing the highway. I'm getting some pics of it.

here is a great article: Muslim Flavored
Islamic view on Mason Conspiracy

messiah · Post by **messiah** » Tue May 29, 2001 7:52 pm

btw, I cant remeber that artists name that did the Freemason parody.. can you help?

David · Post by **David** » Tue May 29, 2001 7:56 pm

I do not know...

I know of the Jack Chick comics.... http://www.chick.com

messiah · Post by **messiah** » Tue May 29, 2001 9:19 pm

Suddenly I remember why I quit posting threads.

I doubt any of the links I post get read anyway.

sad.

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Tue May 29, 2001 9:38 pm

Howdy messiah,

Actually I like reading your posts. I suppose most of them go unanswered simply because not a lot of people are as well versed in your subject as you are.

I agree with David's post. I don't think a lot of Freemasons would believe that it's not anything BUT a Christian organization.

heheh..had to get that not in there.

messiah · Post by **messiah** » Tue May 29, 2001 9:44 pm

Thanks man.

I thought about this one day:

"Symbolism is the oldest method of encryption."

With that mind set, I found alot of things that bothered me.. Freemason conspiracy being #1

but on a larger scale, it just seems impossible to start conversations here. Maybe people would rather LOL than R-E-A-L-I-Z-E.

Oh well. We all have diluted realities, and theories.
categorize me in the failed section.

-peace.

striderf1 · Post by **striderf1** » Tue May 29, 2001 10:05 pm

messiah, I'm not insulting you or anything, I'm just wondering, why are you so, obsessed, shall we say, with the freemasons? Are you a member and not telling us? do you want to become a member? or something else? just wondering, dont take this as an insult or anything.

JC · Post by JC » Tue May 29, 2001 10:11 pm

There Is only on type of mason. the AF&AM thats ancient free and accepting masons. The other one you may hear of is a free mason "not a real mason" george washington was a mason.

brembo · Post by **brembo** » Tue May 29, 2001 10:19 pm

I'll have to agree with Messiah on the diluted reality statement. I have my own little word I live in. Although I don't go in for the conspiracy theories too much. I get riled up about the spineless rodents who inhabit Washington D.C.

I did notice that the Rothchild(sp?) clan was mentioned in the Mason link. I read some time ago that the Rothchild family were connected in some way to 90% of the worlds wealth. Thats a frightening thought, 90% is a whole lotta pull. I cannot formulate any coherent thoughts right now, just ate dinner and food coma is setting in pretty fast.

messiah · Post by **messiah** » Tue May 29, 2001 10:33 pm

Originally posted by striderf1
obsessed

I would like to think informed. You can trace masons back to the beginning of all government. I truely believe that mankind is enslaved in a world of disinformation and propaganda. Conspiracy is a reality. Being from Texas dude, you should be well aware of the conspiracies that have plagued our state, and the world.

Media is not designed to educate, but rather to entertain.
PsychOps and Reverse enginnering is one of the most effective forms of combat and control, and I believe that we are all victims of this.

The signs point right to it dude, and usually when I start talking to people about this in person, they see my angle.

Symbolism in fact was and still is used to inform a certain group of people. If you knew the symbols you understood the philosophy of those people. Masons are very symbolic people and display that.

anyway- I'm not obsssessed. I can easily talk about basketball or frog-flipping just as easily. However global conspiracy, satanic orginizations, and politics- tend to get things going a bit, and when peope get angry, or encouraged, or even excited it allows for non-bull**** emotions, and that my friend is how people truely are. Take the nicest guy in the world, make him question his understanding, then that reaction is authentic.

You then begin to know that person.

Maybe I'm just wanting to get to know you better.

brembo · Post by **brembo** » Tue May 29, 2001 10:58 pm

Well messiah, I can't stop thinking about your perspective on conspiracys. I guess my biggest problem with accepting a conspiracy theory is that I can't wrap my brain around ideas that big. I can pick em apart, and see the individual pieces, but puttin em back together and seeing the interactions swirls my logic to no end.

I guess accepting is the wrong word, concieving might be better. Too many if/then, because/and type occurances have to happen for me to process the logic behind the conspiracy. The twists and turns convolude(sp?) the process to a point where I simply lose it all. Ever try to remember a long string of numbers and try soo hard and when asked to reapeat them, you have nothing, not even the first number?Its like that.

Its not that I don't give conspiracy theories creedence, it is just beyond my realm of understanding to comprehend them.

striderf1 · Post by **striderf1** » Tue May 29, 2001 10:59 pm

Originally posted by messiah

I would like to think informed. You can trace masons back to the beginning of all government. I truely believe that mankind is enslaved in a world of disinformation and propaganda. Conspiracy is a reality. Being from Texas dude, you should be well aware of the conspiracies that have plagued our state, and the world.

Media is not designed to educate, but rather to entertain.
PsychOps and Reverse enginnering is one of the most effective forms of combat and control, and I believe that we are all victims of this.

The signs point right to it dude, and usually when I start talking to people about this in person, they see my angle.

Symbolism in fact was and still is used to inform a certain group of people. If you knew the symbols you understood the philosophy of those people. Masons are very symbolic people and display that.

anyway- I'm not obsssessed. I can easily talk about basketball or frog-flipping just as easily. However global conspiracy, satanic orginizations, and politics- tend to get things going a bit, and when peope get angry, or encouraged, or even excited it allows for non-bull**** emotions, and that my friend is how people truely are. Take the nicest guy in the world, make him question his understanding, then that reaction is authentic.

You then begin to know that person.

Maybe I'm just wanting to get to know you better.

hmmm, I completely agree with you and what you said about news and politics and everything in the first 4 paragrafs. But I didn't know that free masons are people against that or whatever, no one has ever explained it to me.

but since I realize everything about gov and the news etc, its so engrained in culture and most people are so dumb they don't realize it, it will never change so why even bother worrying about it as long as your not one of the dumb one's who listens to everything like the news and the radio. ohh well. and I didn't mean "obsessed" as you so carefully pointed out, because at the time I couldn't find a better word, it just seemes like a whole lot of your posts are about free masons, I didn't mean anything by it, really.

jayyy · Post by **jayyy** » Tue May 29, 2001 11:14 pm

I don't think they even believe in Satan. The notion they did came from christians in the first place, as illustrated in those cartoon tracts you and David were posting a while back. Satanism is the label god-fearing christians of the past often used as a all-purpose label for any other belief system. in their estimation, anything that isn't in the name of God must be against it, and therefore the work of satan. People have become a lot more flexible since the days those tracts were printed, but since the freemasons are still shrouded in mystery and don't try to educate the public otherwise, like pagans and wiccans do, whispers that they're involved in satanism still haunt them.

btw, check out this site http://www.neo-tech.com . Its this lame-ass philosophy/quasi-religion. I thought it was kind of funny.

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Tue May 29, 2001 11:26 pm

500 years before Christianity is a long time for any organization to remain somewhat secret. Not being a mason, I can't comment as to their official or unofficial doings. Knowing a few has given me some personal insight into their way of thinking. "The Bible has good material to read on the mason belief system...just search for King Solomon" is what I was told by a mason. The answers are there but I left with more questions than answers. In this day and age, I think they are a good network of civil engineering proffesionals that have a great deal of intelligence and use their network to help further their careers. William Cooper, author of the famed conspiracy theory book, "Behold a Pale Horse" seems to have his own ideas about their agenda. I read the book front to back and was floored by it's global implications of trying to create a one world government where the masons and the "illuminati" are in control. I think that the book has its merits but can neither confirm nor deny it's accusations as fact or truth. Personally, I would hope that our worlds great builders of infrastructure would have a bigger plan than worshipping Satan but who really knows, and who is really gonna say anything? That's what makes me nervous. Fraternal organizations have been around for eons, some of you may belong to one at College. If you are and you go for a job interview, your fraternal affiliation may give you an edge with your respective employer if he/she is also a member. In a primal sense, we are still part of a tribe if you will. some tribes are bigger, some are more peaceful, some promote war while some promote God. I don't know what to think. Here's a link to learn more:http://www.askjeeves.com/main/followup. ... &x=23&y=13

Also check out http://williamcooper.com/hott.htm for all your conspiracy and tax related needs!

Psalmist · Post by **Psalmist** » Tue May 29, 2001 11:59 pm

As far as I remember the free masons started in Ancient Egypt.
The symbols used are at odds with Judaism but not Qabbalism. The mysticism aspect maybe what lends to the diabolic air to the organisation. The similarities to scientology and mormon are remarkable, though of course not exact.

Protocol of the Elder Zion, eat your heart out.

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Wed May 30, 2001 12:14 am

I'd like to expand somewhat on jayyy's post.

Suppose you could go back in time. Say 1400. Now what do you think the mass's would think of any secret society? The rumors would fly like lightning. I kind of wonder why all the ritual but then I view it as when it was started, grown men deciding what might be best for a dedicated group of self preservationist through ritual. Now that wasn't anything new during those times at all. Then again, why so many satanic tie in's? Maybe it gave the founder a sense of power?

Have you ever read The Lord of the Flies? By by William Golding?

Seems the main theme of the book is about how civilized kids could revert back to to savagery. One main thing I got out of it is how this band of kids also created their own ritual. I think that is one of man's oldest forms of security. Anyway that's one thing I got from the book that as far as I'm concerned, grownups do to this day.

Still all this fascinates me. My father and his family were all Freemasons. He died young and I never tried to join. I was never interested in ritual.

The history of The Knights Templar is another fascinating subject.

Now as far as conspiracies go..........messiah, go for it. We as a society NEED to question things. Even now.

There's the Arkansas project, Richard Mellon Scaife, The Russian Mafia, PAT ROBERTSON and JERRY FALWELL...

So messiah, don't let anyone rain on your parade my friend. You may be the one to save the world.

EvilAngel · Post by **EvilAngel** » Wed May 30, 2001 12:32 am

Originally posted by messiah

"Symbolism is the oldest method of encryption."

With that mind set, I found alot of things that bothered me.. Freemason conspiracy being #1

but on a larger scale, it just seems impossible to start conversations here. Maybe people would rather LOL than R-E-A-L-I-Z-E.

Oh well. We all have diluted realities, and theories.
categorize me in the failed section.

-peace.

To be able to converse with you I would have to have the same or equvilant knowledge of the topics you post... unfortunatly , I have NO knowledge of 90% of the REAL topics you post.. But I read every single one...

I like when you post here.. it does give me a different outlook at life in general.. opens the mind for me... but like I said I'm not that knowledgeable of anything religious, political, sports, geeez anything that could start up a general conversation... your right... that is sad..

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Wed May 30, 2001 12:40 am

Errrr...ahhhh....ummmm...cough cough...

Evil my friend. It's not really sad. It's persective.

You see , you and messiah have different area's of expertise.

Both of you are great reads for different reasons. You make some mighty fine posts my friend.

Take for example my posts. They are limited to to how much I can strech my single brain cell.

EvilAngel · Post by **EvilAngel** » Wed May 30, 2001 12:44 am

Originally posted by downhill
Errrr...ahhhh....ummmm...cough cough...

Evil my friend. It's not really sad. It's persective.

You see , you and messiah have different area's of expertise.

Both of you are great reads for different reasons. You make some mighty fine posts my friend.

Take for example my posts. They are limited to to how much I can strech my single brain cell.

Man, your always there to give me a little pat on the butt and tell me to move on.. lol Thanx man.

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Wed May 30, 2001 12:46 am

On the butt? Damn.....I'm going to have to wash my hands now!

messiah · Post by **messiah** » Wed May 30, 2001 1:11 am

hahaha.. I wasn't trying to start a war/contest or anything.

EvilAngel · Post by **EvilAngel** » Wed May 30, 2001 1:31 am

Originally posted by messiah
hahaha.. I wasn't trying to start a war/contest or anything.

Hey bro, I never took it that way.. I was just responding to your distress about why people don't respond to REAL topics.. just elaborating on why I don't jump in on those conversations..

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