When will TCP Optimizer support Windows 8 & Windows Server 2012?

enihcam · Post by **enihcam** » Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:13 pm

Same as title.

Thanks.

Post by **Philip** » Thu Aug 30, 2012 9:47 am

I'm not aware of major changes in the TCP/IP stack in Windows 8, we'll look into it when it is closer to release next month to identify any possible changes.

Update: Our Windows 8 TCP/IP Tweaks article and recommendations are listed here:
http://www.speedguide.net/articles/wind ... weaks-5077

hclarkjr · Post by **hclarkjr** » Wed Sep 12, 2012 9:33 am

i tried the tweaks found here http://www.speedguide.net/articles/wind ... weaks-2574 and they do not work.

Bloodcore · Post by **Bloodcore** » Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:16 am

Sorry for doing this, but..
BUMP.

Any news regarding the SG TCP Optimizer for Win8/Serv2012?
I'll receive a brand new Intel i350-T2 in a few days, I would love to get most of the tweaking done in a fast and painless way.

Bloodcore · Post by **Bloodcore** » Fri Nov 16, 2012 8:18 am

Thank you for the reply!

So, there is no difference between Win7 and Win8/Serv2012 network registries?
The only difference is that people have to run an elevated command prompt?

Sounds too good to be true, but I have plenty of time for testing.

Post by **Philip** » Fri Nov 16, 2012 8:52 am

We're not aware of any major changes to TCP/IP from Windows 7/2008 server to Windows 8. The need for elevated command prompt and running the TCP Optimizer as administrator have been there since Vista.

bjoswald · Post by **bjoswald** » Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:22 am

I registered here just to respond to this post.

The TCP Optimizer DOES NOT work with Windows 8. Half of the options are missing and those that are there do not stick. I have tried Administrator Mode and Compatibility Mode (Windows 7 and Windows Vista) as well. When using Compatibility Mode, more options are present but they also do not stick. Something has definitely changed from Windows 7 to now. In fact, I will downgrade to Windows 7 tomorrow just to get back to "normal". Driver Enforcement signatures and restricted TCP/IP options make me a dull boy.

RaisinCain · Post by **RaisinCain** » Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:39 pm

FFS if you have 7 or 8 just leave it the hell alone.

bjoswald · Post by **bjoswald** » Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:03 pm

Then what's the point of the tool? If nobody is supposed to tweak Windows 7, then the download page should be ammended to say "XP only". Like I always say, "If it ain't broke, tweak it!"

RaisinCain · Post by **RaisinCain** » Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:15 pm

bjoswald wrote:Then what's the point of the tool? If nobody is supposed to tweak Windows 7, then the download page should be ammended to say "XP only". Like I always say, "If it ain't broke, tweak it!"

I have used it on 7 and (attempted on 8) all it does is screw everything up.

Post by **Philip** » Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:27 pm

It certainly does not "screw everything up"..

We'll look into the Windows 8 permissions.

RaisinCain · Post by **RaisinCain** » Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:48 pm

Philip wrote:It certainly does not "screw everything up"..

We'll look into the Windows 8 permissions.

Oh c'mon. It doesn't improve performance in any way- I have tested it in a variety of situations. It works well for XP and Vista (somewhat) but beyond that it accomplishes nothing. Yes it does "screw things up". Every time I have used it with 7 or 8 it slows everything down. I do realize that this was a once useful tool but it has now become irrelevant.

bjoswald · Post by **bjoswald** » Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:05 pm

RaisinCain wrote:Oh c'mon. It doesn't improve performance in any way - I have tested it in a variety of situations. It works well for XP and Vista (somewhat) but beyond that it accomplishes nothing. Yes it does "screw things up". Every time I have used it with 7 or 8 it slows everything down. I do realize that this was a once useful tool but it has now become irrelevant.

How can it work well with Vista but not 7? Windows 7 is nothing more than Windows Vista with a few tweaks. The networking stack is almost identical (if not identical). As far as I know, the TCP Optimizer does not shut off the auto-tuning feature - and the other tweaks are more or less supplemental - so I don't see how anything could get broken. FWIW, I have used this tool for years without any issue (excluding Windows 8) so I'd be sad to see it go because a few people don't like it.

Bloodcore · Post by **Bloodcore** » Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:55 pm

Looks more and more like I'll have to do things manually.
Oh well, 70% of the registry changes I'll need to do isn't in the tool, probably because they are mostly for the dedicated NIC and some can cause instability.
(Requires testing on each system.)

I'll keep checking this thread and announcements to see if there'll be an update.

Shinobi · Post by **Shinobi** » Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:30 pm

RaisinCain wrote:Oh c'mon. It doesn't improve performance in any way- I have tested it in a variety of situations. It works well for XP and Vista (somewhat) but beyond that it accomplishes nothing. Yes it does "screw things up". Every time I have used it with 7 or 8 it slows everything down. I do realize that this was a once useful tool but it has now become irrelevant.

It's probably something else in your computer that is the issue.

After a fresh install of Windows 7 Ultimate:

After running Speedguide's TCP Optimizer:

Ever since coming here, I've used the TCP Optimizer with great results.

thegilpins · Post by **thegilpins** » Sat Feb 02, 2013 6:50 am

Hi,

Any update on Windows 8 support? It seems that some NETSH TCP commands have been deprecated or replaced by commands via Windows Power Shell.

Thanks

Post by **Philip** » Sat Feb 02, 2013 10:27 am

Power Shell used to simply run netsh commands in previous OSes, what are the exact commands you have problems with ?

Here is the list, for reference: http://www.speedguide.net/articles/wind ... weaks-2574

thegilpins · Post by **thegilpins** » Tue Feb 05, 2013 2:16 pm

Philip wrote:Power Shell used to simply run netsh commands in previous OSes, what are the exact commands you have problems with ?

Here is the list, for reference: http://www.speedguide.net/articles/wind ... weaks-2574

Hi, thanks for the quick reply. The reason for the request was that TCP has changed in Windows 8 and so not all the commands listed in the article or via the optimizer tool work.

One example is that NetDMA has been deprecated - see http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-gb/library ... 85%29.aspx

Another example is that Congestion Control Provider can no longer be set with the command netsh int tcp set global congestionprovider, as the command has been deprecated. It seems to have been replaced with the command netsh int tcp set supplemental <template> where there are four templates (one being internet). It also seems the values for each template (such as CongestionProvider) need to be done via PowerShell (e.g. set-nettcpsetting -CongestionProvider CTCP). There are different views about this in the following article http://social.technet.microsoft.com/For ... 30c9dab7e0

There maybe other changes as well, I am no TCP expert.

I also note that the TCP Optimzer tool needs to run in Windows 7 compatibility mode to show anything meaningful, and can only update some of the settings due to the changes mentioned above.

I believe the optimizer tools and your article need updating for Windows 8 to cater for these changes. Your site and tools have been very valuable over the years and I was hoping they will cover Windows 8 in the near future.

Thanks

Post by **Philip** » Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:47 pm

We will definitely update the information/Optimizer, I expect to have a Windows 8 testing machine setup later this month. Thanks for the links..

thegilpins · Post by **thegilpins** » Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:47 pm

Philip wrote:We will definitely update the information/Optimizer, I expect to have a Windows 8 testing machine setup later this month. Thanks for the links..

That's great. Happy to test any beta version of the tool if needed.

orion_jb2001 · Post by **orion_jb2001** » Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:21 am

Sounds great, waiting for a working windows 8 optimizer.

Jeff

propergol · Post by **propergol** » Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:45 am

Hi, and news on TCP Optimizer for Windows 8 / server 2012?

dumble · Post by **dumble** » Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:19 am

Any update on the tcp optimizer for win8?

orion_jb2001 · Post by **orion_jb2001** » Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:03 pm

Yes same request or let us know if there has been a snag.

dnsmo · Post by **dnsmo** » Fri Apr 19, 2013 4:59 pm

any update status on this?

RaisinCain · Post by **RaisinCain** » Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:53 pm

Since Windows 7 there isn't really any reason to use it.

dnsmo · Post by **dnsmo** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:24 pm

just looking for some ways to improve the network speed

Arianne P Pua · Post by **Arianne P Pua** » Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:48 pm

Any updates????

Pfipps · Post by **Pfipps** » Mon Sep 02, 2013 12:23 pm

I had this question too. In the meantime, you can make the current version work with Windows 8
by running the program as admin, and in Windows 7 compatibility mode. All applicable features and tweaks will work.

Right click the program executable, "properties," "Run this program in compatibility mode for Windows 7" from the dropdown menu, and
check the box "run this program as administrator" at the bottom.

I think this should be a sticky.

Blooker · Post by **Blooker** » Mon May 05, 2014 9:36 am

Ok, so to jump into this and bump it, It's really needed because I have seen notable changes in Win8.1 settings compared to Win7/earlier TCP stacks,
if an certain value would be as example for Win7, optimized by the tool, 32, It is now by Windows 8.1's default like a round 500, they changed alot and the values of
different settings were rounded up to increased values ... I dont think TCP optimizer will speed it up anymore if it'll just reduce these..

Philip, I can see you're still active on the forum, how far are you in the progress of developing an Windows 8 tcp optimizer? do you need any help/beta testers?
It would be great to have the tool updated

Look at the views of this thread.. I think the community is yelling for an nice update!

erpguy2 · Post by **erpguy2** » Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:30 pm

Pfipps wrote:I had this question too. In the meantime, you can make the current version work with Windows 8
by running the program as admin, and in Windows 7 compatibility mode. All applicable features and tweaks will work.

Right click the program executable, "properties," "Run this program in compatibility mode for Windows 7" from the dropdown menu, and
check the box "run this program as administrator" at the bottom.

I think this should be a sticky.

the only bad thing of running TCP Optimizer in "Windows 7 compatibility mode" under Windows 8 or 8.1 is that the TCP Optimizer program will MIS-IDENTIFY the Win8.x OS as "Windows 7" as I just did this on my dad's Toshiba laptop with pre-installed Windows 8.1.

So I think the TCP Optimizer program needs an update bigtime to properly support Windows 8, 8.1 and possibly the next version of Windows which could be Windows 9.

RaisinCain · Post by **RaisinCain** » Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:48 pm

For the love. Just leave the settings alone. When someone can show significant improvements over their current settings, I will concede. Until then I stand by my statements.

The_Doctor · Post by **The_Doctor** » Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:09 am

Philip wrote:We will definitely update the information/Optimizer, I expect to have a Windows 8 testing machine setup later this month. Thanks for the links..

Well, it is a year and a half since 5-Feb-13.

1. Does TCP Optimizer work on properly on Windows 8.1?

2. If not, will TCP Optimizer ever be updated to work on Windows 8.1?

William Cody Winter · Post by **William Cody Winter** » Fri Oct 24, 2014 8:48 pm

Could you please properly add Windows 8.1 support?
Also, the max speed on the slider is 100mbps, could you add up to 155mbps? for people like me who have a 152mbps cable package (Virgin Media UK).

Hirschgoulasch · Post by **Hirschgoulasch** » Fri Dec 12, 2014 2:21 pm

Hmm, when it's done - when ever this will be - some people got 200 Mbit/s or 400 mbit/s fibre-to-the-wall so just add these, too.

And also add Windows 10 support.

Because, really, Windows releases come out faster than TCP/IP Optimizer builds.

RaisinCain · Post by **RaisinCain** » Fri Dec 12, 2014 6:28 pm

No need to even use it unless you are using XP.

Post by **Philip** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 7:46 pm

I've updated our Windows 8/8.1/Server 2012 R2 tweaks article on the main site here:
http://www.speedguide.net/articles/wind ... weaks-5077

TCP Optimizer that addresses all the small differences in all those OSes is in the works, however, I can't specify an exact release date.

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When will TCP Optimizer support Windows 8 & Windows Server 2012?

When will TCP Optimizer support Windows 8 & Windows Server 2012?

Windows 8.1 Support?