Start menu coming back for Win8?

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:10 pm

http://lifehacker.com/microsoft-is-brin ... socialflow

An upcoming Windows 8 update....fiiiinally Microsoft heard the populace...

RaisinCain · Post by **RaisinCain** » Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:30 pm

Meh. You could have installed Start8 or Classic Shell in the interim. MS is really screwing up with the "take it away" and "put back- although "half assed" mentality.

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:52 pm

Yup have done lots of classic shell installs....but experience in the past has gotten me to be leery about 3rd party explorer wrappers. Prefer to keep it native.
Hopefully it comes out for Server 2012 too...I HATE working on that remotely with the dang metro interface.

morbidpete · Post by **morbidpete** » Wed Apr 02, 2014 9:03 pm

I just read that, our clients will be happy

Easto · Post by **Easto** » Wed Apr 02, 2014 9:08 pm

A couple of people I work with use the Metro desktop and every once in a while I'll jump in and ask to let me try it for a minute. They'll instruct me but it still seems like a lot of work just to get the simplest of things done. I guess if I new some of the keyboard shortcuts it might speed things up. But... how anyone in the world want a touch screen on their work computer us beyond me.

morbidpete · Post by **morbidpete** » Wed Apr 02, 2014 9:41 pm

YeOldeStonecat wrote:Yup have done lots of classic shell installs....but experience in the past has gotten me to be leery about 3rd party explorer wrappers. Prefer to keep it native.
Hopefully it comes out for Server 2012 too...I HATE working on that remotely with the dang metro interface.

but at least just typing what you want is very quick and works most of the time. thank goodness for that

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:41 am

morbidpete wrote: but at least just typing what you want is very quick and works most of the time. thank goodness for that

Yeah...not a stranger to that since I carved my teeth in the days of DOS, and some Novell. But when you're double RDP'd in doing remote sessions on Hyper-V or VSphere client...it ain't the smoothest, sometimes conventional GUI to everything is easier through double or triple remote screens.

David · Post by **David** » Fri Apr 04, 2014 4:39 pm

Well, Apple did not need a universal interface, neither does Microsoft. In office, business machines do not need "tiles".

twwabw · Post by **twwabw** » Sat Apr 05, 2014 6:50 am

Glad to see it... finally. From what I've seen, still not 100%, but a step in the right direction. 8 works great on tablets, swiping tapping etc. Clunky and burdensome on desktops. Amazing how defiant and bull-headed they've been about putting it back. If people want it, put it there- why should they care? Ridiculous, and the fan-boy banter for the last year and a half has been almost comical. I wonder if any of them have actually SEEN a true power user's desktop before, someone that has multiple Autodesk and Adobe apps installed, etc. The All Apps interface becomes so enormous it's ridiculous to navigate.

Brian- OMG the Metro interface on servers- isn't that special??? Then the fan boys chime in again.. "well, I just use Powershell for everything- who cares about menus.". Well good for you. You use PS because it's the only thing you do all day, and have time to memorize all the arcane CLI commands. For those of us that wear many hats at many different places do many different things that we support, it's ridiculous.

I've had reasonable luck w/ClassicShell so far, also install it on 2012 servers 1st thing. But, I agree about not trusting 3rd party start apps especially on servers.

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Sat Apr 05, 2014 7:36 am

twwabw wrote:
I've had reasonable luck w/ClassicShell so far, also install it on 2012 servers 1st thing. But, I agree about not trusting 3rd party start apps especially on servers.

Good to see you Tim! Doing well? Spring coming...gotta be getting antsy to get afloat!

Wow...you're braver than I! Stuck ClassicShell on some Win8 laptops for end users....but haven't had the balls to slap it on a production server. I just recall years ago in the Win9X and early XP days....some alternative shell skins, and after a few months of use, an OS that got pretty corrupted.

Ken · Post by **Ken** » Sat Apr 05, 2014 12:01 pm

It's not complicated really... Home versions and business versions, right?...

Home users want the frilly social versions, businesses do not... Complicated?...

Do you want a fast turtle or a slow turtle, to cross the road? [Elementary school kids talking at a table in a TV commercial]

Oh, wait! NT4, 2000, XP, Windows 7... Millenium, Vista, Windows 8... A pattern?... or merely failure?... poor marketing?... research?... trickery?...

NO! That's not what I mean... Home, Pro, Enterprise... Maybe?...

No need to get into the server versions...

Who are you trying to sell to?... Someone please decide what is for dinner!

RaisinCain · Post by **RaisinCain** » Sat Apr 05, 2014 1:10 pm

There is a simple solution to all of this. Either give the end user the ability to decide (start menu or Metro) or, enable some sort of feature that enables Metro if you have a touch screen and the start button if you don't (while still letting the end user to decide).

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Sun Apr 06, 2014 7:25 am

Ken wrote:Someone please decide what is for dinner!

Lobster tail!

Ken · Post by **Ken** » Sun Apr 06, 2014 10:39 am

YeOldeStonecat wrote:Lobster tail!

With drawn butter?... Clarified butter?... What should I do with this wedge of lemon?... I am so confused!

It is so complicated! I want the slow turtle because he will take longer to get to the road!

twwabw · Post by **twwabw** » Tue Apr 08, 2014 6:52 am

YeOldeStonecat wrote:Wow...you're braver than I! Stuck ClassicShell on some Win8 laptops for end users....but haven't had the balls to slap it on a production server.

Seems pretty benign- Have it on a couple standalones; and a few Hyper-V host servers, and VMs as well. Hasn't caused me any grief at all, the price is right, no ill effects at all. And it lets you get back to work instead of pawing around the ridiculous tablet interface.... on a server :-( .

Boat in the water? Maybe eventually... it would need skis still- everything still frozen solid. Ugly winter for sure.

Shinobi · Post by **Shinobi** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:18 pm

Interesting news... I have not tried to do this using a "shell" yet.. I've been using shells to mod the UI since Windows 3.11. I'll probably wait until the M$ release.