windows 7 pro software raid-0 !

Mark · Post by **Mark** » Fri Dec 06, 2013 5:16 pm

i have 2 older ssd's setup as a software raid-0 under windows 7, just for trash disks and for video editing, downloads, ect.

my OS is on a separate ssd, but i wondered , if i formated and re-installed windows, would i loose the software raid-0, i would have things backed up anyways, but was wondering ?

RaisinCain · Post by **RaisinCain** » Fri Dec 06, 2013 5:53 pm

Yes and why would you setup a software RAID (I mean I understand the theory behind what you did)? Anything that you do utilizing software will be wiped out upon a clean install of the OS.

Mark · Post by **Mark** » Fri Dec 06, 2013 6:31 pm

i figured i would try it to see the results, i may just use the mobo on-board raid feature, but isn't that software based anyways ?

these are older generation drives that i have no use for except for thrash disks, and raiding them improved their speed in benchmarks.

i am not worried about loosing any data on them, any thing important is backed up

RaisinCain · Post by **RaisinCain** » Fri Dec 06, 2013 6:52 pm

If you have a hardware based RAID controller you would be better off using that. You'll notice the difference- BIG TIME! Just need to setup the array in the BIOS.

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Fri Dec 06, 2013 7:21 pm

True software based RAID (done 100% in the operating system in disk management)...if you format and reinstall, the RAID is gone. Upon installing Windows setup will see two separate disks...you'll have to install on one, and then when done and up to the GUI...go into disk manglement and build your RAID utilizing the second disk.

Hardware RAID is done before the OS layer. So you build the RAID volume in the BIOS, before you get to installing the OS. So once you get to windows setup, the OS will see just 1x disk.

Now....yes it's true that the el cheapo onboard RAID (like you see on desktop motherboards/home grade motherboards/entry level server motherboards)...like Intel AHCI RAID, is often called "Fake RAID" and joked as still being software RAID. But that's because it relies on CPU cycles to still manage the RAID. But technically it's not software RAID like when you do RAID from within the operating system. Some of them perform so badly that actually true software operating system based RAID will outperform them. Since Windows 2000 doing OS based RAID actually isn't much of a performance hit.

Versus true server grade RAID controllers that have their own processor and memory cache, like Dell Percs or HP Smart Array controllers. Totally 100% hardware based. Nothing beats these for flexibility, performance, features, redundancy, disaster recovery, etc.

RaisinCain · Post by **RaisinCain** » Fri Dec 06, 2013 8:12 pm

YeOldeStonecat wrote:True software based RAID (done 100% in the operating system in disk management)...if you format and reinstall, the RAID is gone. Upon installing Windows setup will see two separate disks...you'll have to install on one, and then when done and up to the GUI...go into disk manglement and build your RAID utilizing the second disk.

Hardware RAID is done before the OS layer. So you build the RAID volume in the BIOS, before you get to installing the OS. So once you get to windows setup, the OS will see just 1x disk.

Now....yes it's true that the el cheapo onboard RAID (like you see on desktop motherboards/home grade motherboards/entry level server motherboards)...like Intel AHCI RAID, is often called "Fake RAID" and joked as still being software RAID. But that's because it relies on CPU cycles to still manage the RAID. But technically it's not software RAID like when you do RAID from within the operating system. Some of them perform so badly that actually true software operating system based RAID will outperform them. Since Windows 2000 doing OS based RAID actually isn't much of a performance hit.

Versus true server grade RAID controllers that have their own processor and memory cache, like Dell Percs or HP Smart Array controllers. Totally 100% hardware based. Nothing beats these for flexibility, performance, features, redundancy, disaster recovery, etc.

So... basically what has already been posted. Why the extra info when it isn't needed? Just saying.

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Sat Dec 07, 2013 7:29 am

RaisinCain wrote:So... basically what has already been posted. Why the extra info when it isn't needed? Just saying.

Time to go pull the string on your cotton plug again? Seems it's seeping red stuff....
He added questions about the basic onboard RAID and if they're called software or not...thus I deemed it needed. Don't go thinking I'll call you first to check and see if it's OK for me to post additional info.

RaisinCain · Post by **RaisinCain** » Sat Dec 07, 2013 11:46 am

YeOldeStonecat wrote:Time to go pull the string on your cotton plug again? Seems it's seeping red stuff....
He added questions about the basic onboard RAID and if they're called software or not...thus I deemed it needed. Don't go thinking I'll call you first to check and see if it's OK for me to post additional info.

WOW! Who's the one being a little bitch now? Maybe you need a bigger Maxi pad? Adult size is what I would recommend.

Mark · Post by **Mark** » Sat Dec 07, 2013 4:35 pm

thanks guy's for the insight, now stop being dicks to each other LOL

Faust · Post by **Faust** » Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:11 pm

Mark · Post by **Mark** » Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:08 am

faust wrote:

lol

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:16 pm

RaisinCain wrote:WOW! Who's the one being a little bitch now? Maybe you need a bigger Maxi pad? Adult size is what I would recommend.

Little..nah. You need to stop feeling all butt hurt, you do this all the time. You'll put a one or two line reply in some thread. Someone else posts a more thorough more detailed reply..and your insecurity gets your butt hurting all over the place. Prolly wanna figure out how to deal with that so you can move on in life.

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:18 pm

Faust wrote:

What's up wanker? Pass the Guinness!
FYI, side story...our son is getting into vinyl stereos....sweet turntable on his XMas list. What cleans albums? Got one of those for the stocking stuff!

I can't find my original one...guess I lost that during one of my moves.

RaisinCain · Post by **RaisinCain** » Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:23 pm

YeOldeStonecat wrote:Little..nah. You need to stop feeling all butt hurt, you do this all the time. You'll put a one or two line reply in some thread. Someone else posts a more thorough more detailed reply..and your insecurity gets your butt hurting all over the place. Prolly wanna figure out how to deal with that so you can move on in life.

FFF lighten up. Why are you taking my post so serious? I was just asking a question. Do you not realize that I am screwing around 99% of the time? Just a little playful banter. Guess I need to be absolutely serious whenever I post from now on.

Faust · Post by **Faust** » Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:31 pm

What's up wanker? Pass the Guinness!
FYI, side story...our son is getting into vinyl stereos....sweet turntable on his XMas list. What cleans albums? Got one of those for the stocking stuff!
I can't find my original one...guess I lost that during one of my moves.

Nice! Pretty cool when the youngsters embrace old tech. As far as cleaning? Well since the ol'man sold the company, Discwasher has changed hands and been bastardized into oblivion. Here's a link to the current offering. You can also get them with the Discwasher brand name but they're the exact same thing. Given that that R&D for this kind of thing hasn;t existed for years, I'd go with this.

If you want to get fancy-schmancy you could toss in a Zerostat which was also a Discwasher product at the time. Used to neutralize the static buildup on the surface of the vinyl to reduce non particulate-related crackle/pop.

Please tell me he won't be "scratchin'"!

Faust · Post by **Faust** » Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:33 pm

Mark wrote:lol

Weird. Any better?:

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Mon Dec 09, 2013 6:40 am

Faust wrote:Nice! Pretty cool when the youngsters embrace old tech. As far as cleaning? Well since the ol'man sold the company, Discwasher has changed hands and been bastardized into oblivion.

Yeah I noticed the original product isn't around anymore. The little brush is different, the corduroy covering of the unit is different. Shape of the wood and the bottle is only thing about the same. I forget when I got mine, back in....oh...late 70's? Perhaps right around turn of the decade in the 1980's? Hmmmm....can't remember...too many booze 'n drugs ago.

Anyways, pretty serious setup the boy is shooting for to build his system. Project Debut Carbon for the turntable.