Presidential Debate

SlyOneDoofy · Post by **SlyOneDoofy** » Wed Oct 03, 2012 11:17 pm

Ok, I'll start it.

Who did better?

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:02 am

Romney did better on style although he didn't help himself with the impression he stands for nothing. He was a moderate when he governed. When he ran for the Republican nomination he went far right and last night he bounced back to ideas that contradicted what he said when running to be the Republican nominee. The President clearly did not get the job done last night. Historically incumbents haven't done well the first debate and Obama was no different. I think it's fair to say Romney won last night. What happens during the 2nd and 3rd debate remains to be seen.

Leatherneck · Post by **Leatherneck** » Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:52 am

It's all just talk and "normally" the President is pretty good but he looked and sounded pretty anemic last night. Romney has the advantage of at least telling new lies while the President can only be on the defense and go on his record. The simple fact is that they cannot tax us out of a deficit so the economy needs to flourish. How that gets done at this point I don't know.

Post by **Philip** » Thu Oct 04, 2012 10:00 am

Seemed like Mit was better prepared and his presentation was better than expected. As to substance, I didn't hear enough from either, but I suppose those debates give you more of a general personality perception than going into much detail.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:29 pm

The big question is how much of an impact this will make in the polls. The difference between the two is so decisive it's hard to imagine anyone not having already decided unless they simply have not paid attention at all. If they haven't and last night was their first look then Romney will benefit. One has to think the President will do much better in the 2nd debate, but time will tell.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:17 pm

According to statistics debates don't change poll results.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:19 pm

Here is an example of Romney's wishy washy nature.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... ykA7oQm8Eg

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:39 pm

Obama looked like a amateur he is, period. He proposes all of these things like job creation, tax cuts etc., he's been in office for 4 years..... why hasn't he already done these things if he was going to do them?

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:54 pm

Roody wrote:The big question is how much of an impact this will make in the polls. The difference between the two is so decisive it's hard to imagine anyone not having already decided unless they simply have not paid attention at all. If they haven't and last night was their first look then Romney will benefit. One has to think the President will do much better in the 2nd debate, but time will tell.

Historically, with the first debate...the challenger usually comes out ahead.
I want to like Mitt...but I just cant.

RaisinCain · Post by **RaisinCain** » Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:28 pm

The Presidential race is pointless. I firmly believe that the "Powers That Be" will put in whomever they choose and that voting is pure BS.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:29 pm

Romney is a whole new kind of liar. Politicians are all in some way slimy, but Romney will say and do anything to get elected including contradicting himself over and over. His plan clearly is set to give tax breaks to the wealthy and yet last night he said otherwise. He's a flake of unseen proportions.

RaisinCain · Post by **RaisinCain** » Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:33 pm

Roody wrote:Romney is a whole new kind of liar. Politicians are all in some way slimy, but Romney will say and do anything to get elected including contradicting himself over and over. His plan clearly is set to give tax breaks to the wealthy and yet last night he said otherwise. He's a flake of unseen proportions.

Amen brother!

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:39 pm

Some people will NEVER get it.

RaisinCain · Post by **RaisinCain** » Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:42 pm

mnosteele52 wrote:Some people will NEVER get it.

I hear ya!

BMED · Post by **BMED** » Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:59 pm

SlyOneDoofy wrote:Ok, I'll start it.

Who did better?

I did...I went to bed!

Leatherneck · Post by **Leatherneck** » Thu Oct 04, 2012 10:41 pm

Like I stated, Romney at least has a new set of lies. Obama has already used his up. I am from Illinois and I know the type of politician we breed. Most end up in orange jump-suits.

Post by **Philip** » Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:16 pm

There used to be a time when polititians stood for something, had visions, used to rally people, used to inspire dreams and hopes... Seems like these days it's all about getting/being in office. Or maybe it's just me getting older and more cynical, idk.

blebs · Post by **blebs** » Fri Oct 05, 2012 7:22 am

RaisinCain wrote:The Presidential race is pointless. I firmly believe that the "Powers That Be" will put in whomever they choose and that voting is pure BS.

Am I to assume you've seen the light?

Dan · Post by **Dan** » Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:55 am

Philip wrote:There used to be a time when polititians stood for something, had visions, used to rally people, used to inspire dreams and hopes... Seems like these days it's all about getting/being in office. Or maybe it's just me getting older and more cynical, idk.

I agree with you...and I also agree we do get more cynical,,,at least I know I have...

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:49 am

Philip wrote:There used to be a time when polititians stood for something, had visions, used to rally people, used to inspire dreams and hopes... Seems like these days it's all about getting/being in office. Or maybe it's just me getting older and more cynical, idk.

Agreed! You're not getting more cynical...you're accurately voicing what's happening. These days it's all about the candidates using "buzzwords"...what their marketing campaign people tell them to say, even though they don't know what they're saying or believe in what they're saying.

Prime example....during that sesame street thing...."to stop borrowing money from China to pay for things we don't need". His campaign people told him to say that because they knew it would bring a big round of applause. Yet..we all know Mitt isn't going to do anything along those lines....it was just a bunch of BS spewed forth to sound good.

SlyOneDoofy · Post by **SlyOneDoofy** » Sat Oct 06, 2012 12:35 am

Dan wrote:I agree with you...and I also agree we do get more cynical,,,at least I know I have...

I would like to see more people run because they feel like they "HAVE TO" not because they "WANT TO".

I guess I mean I'd like to see people get in office, solve some major problems and leave because now they have no reason to be in the job.

No more career politicians.

One thing about Romney in the debate was he talked to Obama and Obama talked to the camera most of the time. Didn't help Obama much to do that.

I agree with most of you that I don't feel like it will do any good to vote because the "Puppet Masters" will figure out a way to get people in office to get what they want.

So, not much of a choice for us.

Kinda like being asked "Do you want to be kicked in the left or right nut?"

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:10 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWgYEkArxos&sns=em

Just a few examples of how fake Romney is.

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:52 am

What about all the lies that Obama has told..... are those just dismissed? His commercials and his campaign state that he will not increase taxes on the Middle Class..... what about all of the "hidden" taxes in Obamacare? I guess those somehow do not effect the Middle Class? LIES, LIES, LIES. Obama has been the biggest smoke screen tgis country has ever seen and it's just ignored..... simply amazing how people can be SOOOO blind... or ignorant.

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Mon Oct 08, 2012 11:46 am

And here is an example of Obama lying

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/pri ... 53917.html

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:06 pm

So..it's surprising to some of you that...politicians lie? That there is mis-truth in campaigns? //gasp!!!

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:21 pm

YeOldeStonecat wrote:So..it's surprising to some of you that...politicians lie? That there is mis-truth in campaigns? //gasp!!!

No surprise to me.... they are politicians aren't they? LOL

It just surprises me that some people act as if Romney is a new kind of liar....... he isn't the great deception that is in office right now.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:32 pm

mnosteele52 wrote:No surprise to me.... they are politicians aren't they? LOL

It just surprises me that some people act as if Romney is a new kind of liar....... he isn't the great deception that is in office right now.

He is a new kind of liar. Yes, all politicians lie, but none have done so with such alarming regularity. Romney is on record saying one thing and then contradicting it not only within the same day, but within a matter of hours. Shoot, even the Republicans who ran against him have spoken out regarding how dishonest he is.

On CBS' "The Early Show" this morning, CBS News chief White House correspondent Norah O'Donnell asked Gingrich about comments he had previously made about his chief rival and the Super PAC whose negative campaign ads have hurt his campaign: "You scolded Mitt Romney, his friends who are running this Super PAC that has funded that, and you said of Mitt Romney, 'Someone who will lie to you to get to be president will lie to you when they are president. I have to ask you, are you calling Mitt Romney a liar?"

"Yes," Gingrich replied.

"You're calling Mitt Romney a liar?"

"Well, you seem shocked by it!" said Gingrich. "This is a man whose staff created the PAC, his millionaire friends fund the PAC, he pretends he has nothing to do with the PAC - it's baloney. He's not telling the American people the truth.

FRANKSVILLE, Wis. — An agitated Rick Santorum on Sunday called Mitt Romney "the worst Republican in the country to put up against Barack Obama" even as it appears the former Massachusetts governor is on pace to clinch the party's nomination in June.

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:39 pm

Don't you think it's a bit of misinterpretation on the Dems part? The liberal media and Democratic flunkies purposely take everything out of context to make him look like a liar. Remember this video:

MSNBC Edited Romney Wawa Video

Blatant lying by the liberal media just like many of the videos you posted. Take anything out of context and you can make someone say whatever you want.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:42 pm

mnosteele52 wrote:Don't you think it's a bit of misinterpretation on the Dems part? The liberal media and Democratic flunkies purposely take everything out of context to make him look like a liar. Remember this video:

MSNBC Edited Romney Wawa Video

Blatant lying by the liberal media just like many of the videos you posted. Take anything out of context and you can make someone say whatever you want.

Absolutely not. He has done this within his own speeches. I've literally watched the man say one thing early in the morning and say the opposite hours later. What makes it worse is he then denies ever saying what he said in the first place. Romney is the absolute worst I have ever seen at this high a level. The only thing that is for certain about Romney is he stands for nothing.

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:45 pm

Your part of the 47%, that's why I don't post here anymore.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:47 pm

mnosteele52 wrote:Your part of the 47%, that's why I don't post here anymore.

So you don't post here because someone is being honest and you don't like it? I've watched those speeches. Romney is a liar and a hypocrite and yes a new kind of liar at that. Those are the facts. As for the 47% remark before I go further explain what you mean by that since you directed it at me? I think I know, but I want to be certain.

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Mon Oct 08, 2012 1:39 pm

mnosteele52 wrote:No surprise to me.... they are politicians aren't they? LOL

It just surprises me that some people act as if Romney is a new kind of liar....... he isn't the great deception that is in office right now.

I gotta admit, as a long time Republican, as someone who was very against Obama (I used to call him Obummer back 4 years ago)...I no longer have a strong dislike or disapproval of how things are going now. Things actually aren't that bad. Economy has gone up. Unemployment is down. The big scary thing called ObamaCare ...actually has some decent points to it, and reading further about it, it's not as scary as some try to twist it to be.

In Connecticut....the race for senate is even worse.....there's no way I can vote for who the Reps have....Linda McMahon...millionaire owner of the WWF corporation.

Yes I'm historically Republican...prefer a stronger defense (also I'm small business in state that is heavily populated with defense industry), I prefer smaller gov't,...no years were better than the Reagan years. But every now and then a Dem pres comes along that does an OK job. Clinton is one that comes to mind.

But Romney...heck I'd vote for Palin before him. I won't give Romney my used toilet paper. I'm batting a big fat ZERO for Republican for Prez this term, and my state is batting a big fat ZERO for a republican for senate this term. Heck even that kid Ryan (reminds me of Dan Quayle)...would be a better choice that catchers Mitt! I'm going to have to rest on "Meh...the Dems aren't doing all that bad of a job this sping..."..and I'll cross my fingers for next election.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Mon Oct 08, 2012 2:33 pm

Check this out. Even more examples coming from the Republican side regarding Mitt Romney.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... dV0TdsYp9g

Joe · Post by **Joe** » Sat Oct 13, 2012 9:26 pm

Both are crooks.

BaLa · Post by **BaLa** » Sun Oct 14, 2012 1:06 pm

I can't Vote, still not a US Citizen, that keeps me out of most of this crap.
Last time around I had my Wife Vote for Obama. We did live in Texas at the Time though.

This time around I'm telling her to do some of her own research, watch news and stuff like that. That way she can make up her own Opinion.

RaisinCain · Post by **RaisinCain** » Sun Oct 14, 2012 1:23 pm

blebs wrote:Am I to assume you've seen the light?

I've been privy to the light for some time now.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 11:11 am

Look who was in the crowd last night.

Dan · Post by **Dan** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 11:18 am

BaLa wrote:I can't Vote, still not a US Citizen, that keeps me out of most of this crap.

??? are you Canadian ?

cvoixjames · Post by **cvoixjames** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:46 pm

I am also cynical. Why does Romney want to be the President of the United States? I say let Obama finish his term. He is good as a Commander in Chief. Not so good with the economy, especially with a do nothing Congress. Also, the USA is not what we used to be. Sad but true. We have overcome many obstacles, like segregation, women's rights, gay rights (not that there's anything wrong with that) however our leadership has been undermined by our enemies. Yes we do have enemies.

IMO our country needs real leadership, and we have been thrown sound bites, CNN coverage, BS, and false promises. Obama and Mitt are both in on it. The United States Government is a business! The debt means nothing! How would China collect on its debt? Wage war? No. We have the strike force, the technology, the material to take out any country at will.

Of course that would not happen. Not now. but say, 200 years from now, there could be mass destruction across this planet.

Thank God I'll be gone.

BaLa · Post by **BaLa** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:02 pm

Dan wrote:??? are you Canadian ?

Canadian ? NEVER

German