Osama bin Laden operation, Part Two

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:12 am

Osama bin Laden operation, Part Two

This makes me sick, Obama taking credit for killing Bin Laden. This decision would have been made no matter who was in office and the real credit goes to Seal Team 6, NOT Obama. My brother-in-law is a former Seal and they are the most humble warriors you will ever meet, Obama taking credit for them risking their lives for the betterment of the world is embarrassing.

blebs · Post by **blebs** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:19 am

Sorry but without a body, he's not dead.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:32 am

give it a rest mnosteele. He made the call and took the credit. I don't recall the same rage from you when Bush declared "Mission Accomplished"'

Obama is a politician. He's going to talk up what was accomplished. They all do that.

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:19 am

Roody wrote:give it a rest mnosteele. He made the call and took the credit. I don't recall the same rage from you when Bush declared "Mission Accomplished"'

Obama is a politician. He's going to talk up what was accomplished. They all do that.

Blah, blah, blah. I don't recall Bush making the statement HE was personally responsible. I agree that they all do that but not like Obama where he makes sound as if it was single handedly his idea, decision and direction that let to Bin Laden's death. I don't give ANY politician credit for military actions, yes they are "technically" the Commander In Chief" but they do as they are told to do by the leaders of our military.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:21 am

mnosteele52 wrote:Blah, blah, blah. I don't recall Bush making the statement HE was personally responsible. I agree that they all do that but not like Obama where he makes sound as if it was single handedly his idea, decision and direction that let to Bin Laden's death. I don't give ANY politician credit for military actions, yes they are "technically" the Commander In Chief" but they do as they are told to do by the leaders of our military.

Then your memory sucks because he took all kinds of credit which is all Obama has done. Anyone with a brain knows Presidents make the call and someone else does the job. How this escapes you is beyond me, but literally everyone else but you gets that.

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:05 pm

If I could ignore you I would but you are an admin (and I use that term loosely) and I can't.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:22 pm

mnosteele52 wrote:If I could ignore you I would but you are an admin (and I use that term loosely) and I can't.

if I made as weak an argument as you do I'd want to ignore others also.

Easto · Post by **Easto** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:29 pm

I think he's right in taking some credit. He made the call. He also privately met with the team that carried out the mission and congratulated them. I think that alone shows his recognition of the teamwork involved. No matter what he said, anyone who would interpret that he was patting himself on the back is tainting their opinion with a bit of politcal prejudice.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:52 pm

Easto wrote:I think he's right in taking some credit. He made the call. He also privately met with the team that carried out the mission and congratulated them. I think that alone shows his recognition of the teamwork involved. No matter what he said, anyone who would interpret that he was patting himself on the back is tainting their opinion with a bit of politcal prejudice.

Exactly. Very well said.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:32 pm

Any politician would use this for themselves if it happened while they were in office.

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:10 pm

Roody wrote:if I made as weak an argument as you do I'd want to ignore others also.

Blah, blah, blah.

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:11 pm

'Shame on Barack Obama'

WHAT 'GUTSY CALL'?: CIA MEMO REVEALS ADMIRAL CONTROLLED BIN LADEN MISSION

Dan · Post by **Dan** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:18 pm

mnosteele52 wrote:Osama bin Laden operation, Part Two

the real credit goes to Seal Team 6,

I agree 100%

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:32 pm

mnosteele52 wrote:Blah, blah, blah.

An expected response from a person whose bias has been proven.

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:35 pm

Roody wrote:An expected response from a person whose bias has been proven.

Blah, blah, blah.

RaisinCain · Post by **RaisinCain** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:49 pm

Another Bitch Fest? ALL politicians are *******s and liars. Have you people not figured this out yet? They succumb to the lobbyists to get their wallet padded. Do some homework for the love.

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 4:11 pm

RaisinCain wrote:Another Bitch Fest? ALL politicians are *******s and liars. Have you people not figured this out yet? They succumb to the lobbyists to get their wallet padded. Do some homework for the love.

I totally agree RaisinCain, I'm not Pro Bush or anti Democrat, I'm anti Obama. He is an EXTREME leftist radical, the worst this country has seen in the office of the President. I have said numerous times, your usually voting for the lesser of the evils and in my opinion Obama is in a class all by himself.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 4:15 pm

mnosteele52 wrote:Blah, blah, blah.

You know it's not the fact you have a differing opinion that is the issue. It's the fact that two people can do the same thing and if you dislike one you blast them while giving the other a pass. People like Easto and YoS made good points regarding this thread. Any President would brag about their accomplishments. That's where you have literally no clue at all. It's why you are along with Sava the least credible person on this site.

One thing I do give you credit on though. At least you don't deny it. You may attempt to deflect it, but you don't deny it....yet.

RaisinCain · Post by **RaisinCain** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 4:31 pm

[quote="Roody"]You know it's not the fact you have a differing opinion that is the issue. It's the fact that two people can do the same thing and if you dislike one you blast them while giving the other a pass. People like Easto and YoS made good points regarding this thread. Any President would brag about their accomplishments. That's where you have literally no clue at all. It's why you are along with Sava the least credible person on this site.

One thing I do give you credit on though. At least you don't deny it. You may attempt to deflect it, but you don't deny it....yet.[/QUOTE
What a great way to bring this thread around.

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:11 pm

Roody wrote:It's the fact that two people can do the same thing and if you dislike one you blast them while giving the other a pass.

Show me one thread where I gave someone a pass when blasting another for the same thing?

You are EXACTLY like the liberal media, you take one excerpt of a quote and take it COMPLETELY out of context then twist it around trying to make your point valid..... I call that lying therefore you are a liar, period.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:16 pm

mnosteele52 wrote:Show me one thread where I gave someone a pass when blasting another for the same thing?

I'm fully aware of your inability to read links after the last time I posted a couple, but what the heck. Here ya go. It was covered many times in that thread. Feel free to read it again if you wish. You gave Bush a pass for doing the same thing Obama did regarding the banking and auto industry.

https://www.speedguide.net/forums/ ... r-election

You are EXACTLY like the liberal media, you take one excerpt of a quote and take it COMPLETELY out of context then twist it around trying to make your point valid..... I call that lying therefore you are a liar, period.

Like I said earlier. You got no credibility here so your weak attempt to insult literally does nothing.

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:41 pm

Roody wrote:I'm fully aware of your inability to read links after the last time I posted a couple, but what the heck. Here ya go. It was covered many times in that thread. Feel free to read it again if you wish. You gave Bush a pass for doing the same thing Obama did regarding the banking and auto industry.

https://www.speedguide.net/forums/ ... r-election

Like I said earlier. You got no credibility here so your weak attempt to insult literally does nothing.

********, I did not give Bush a pass, you apparently have NO reading comprehension skills:

mnosteele52 wrote:Obama and the rest of the government needs to keep out of the private sector and let capitalism take it's course, that is how the economy recovers, not by government control and government spending. Stop bailing out Wall Street, the banks, the auto industry and everyone else.

mnosteele52 wrote:The difference is I never heard of Bush trying to have control of the entities that he gave money to, Obama has tried to control all of these entities with his policies, trying to tell the private sector what they can and cannot do with the money they earned.

mnosteele52 wrote:I NEVER backtracked. Bush did not want control over the industry, he was trying to help it. I disagree with both, the government has no business interfering with the private sector like that. Obama wanted to control the industry, just as he wants to control the banking industry (he made companies take money that did not want or need it) and healthcare. All are the infrastructures of our economy, he wants to control them all.

Just a hint since you cannot read very well, the parts in bold are the important parts, do you see where I stated I disagree with both that the government has no business interfering with the private industry like that, if i disagree with both, both meaning Bush and Obama, how am I giving Bush a pass?

I have stated MANY times here at SG that the government, Republican or Democratic, has no business bailing out and controlling the private sector as they do, so once again, where did I give Bush a pass and not Obama??????????????????

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:42 pm

Roody wrote:I'm fully aware of your inability to read links after the last time I posted a couple, but what the heck. Here ya go. It was covered many times in that thread. Feel free to read it again if you wish. You gave Bush a pass for doing the same thing Obama did regarding the banking and auto industry.

https://www.speedguide.net/forums/ ... r-election

Like I said earlier. You got no credibility here so your weak attempt to insult literally does nothing.

BULLS&%T, I did not give Bush a pass, you apparently have NO reading comprehension skills:

mnosteele52 wrote:Obama and the rest of the government needs to keep out of the private sector and let capitalism take it's course, that is how the economy recovers, not by government control and government spending. Stop bailing out Wall Street, the banks, the auto industry and everyone else.

mnosteele52 wrote:The difference is I never heard of Bush trying to have control of the entities that he gave money to, Obama has tried to control all of these entities with his policies, trying to tell the private sector what they can and cannot do with the money they earned.

mnosteele52 wrote:I NEVER backtracked. Bush did not want control over the industry, he was trying to help it. I disagree with both, the government has no business interfering with the private sector like that. Obama wanted to control the industry, just as he wants to control the banking industry (he made companies take money that did not want or need it) and healthcare. All are the infrastructures of our economy, he wants to control them all.

Just a hint since you cannot read very well, the parts in bold are the important parts, do you see where I stated I disagree with both that the government has no business interfering with the private industry like that, if i disagree with both, both meaning Bush and Obama, how am I giving Bush a pass?

I have stated MANY times here at SG that the government, Republican or Democratic, has no business bailing out and controlling the private sector as they do, so once again, where did I give Bush a pass and not Obama??????????????????

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:46 pm

mnosteele52 wrote:BULLS&%T, I did not give Bush a pass, you apparently have NO reading comprehension skills:

Just a hint since you cannot read very well, the parts in bold are the important parts, do you see where I stated I disagree with both that the government has no business interfering with the private industry like that, if i disagree with both, both meaning Bush and Obama, how am I giving Bush a pass?

I have stated MANY times here at SG that the government, Republican or Democratic, has no business bailing out and controlling the private sector as they do, so once again, where did I give Bush a pass and not Obama??????????????????

Like I said. You can't read. That was proven the last time I posted numerous links. You didn't get it then and you don't get it now. The point is your little thread here was stupid. Obama took credit for the death of Bin Laden, but as it's been noted he also offered up praise to the Seals who got the job done. You whining about a President taking credit for making a call as if that isn't done by every President is just another example of how out of touch with reality you are.

As for your last question I have answered it over and over and linked to it. Playing dumb doesn't change the fact it's right there to be seen. The way I see it there is nothing else to be said that hasn't already been said to you by others and myself.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:46 pm

mnosteele52 wrote:You are EXACTLY like the liberal media...

Yes because its only the liberal media that does that.

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:51 pm

Roody wrote:Like I said. You can't read. That was proven the last time I posted numerous links. You didn't get it then and you don't get it now. The point is your little thread here was stupid. Obama took credit for the death of Bin Laden, but as it's been noted he also offered up praise to the Seals who got the job done. You whining about a President taking credit for making a call as if that isn't done by every President is just another example of how out of touch with reality you are.

The way I see it there is nothing else to be said that hasn't already been said to you by others and myself.

Blah, blah, blah.

Can you change it so that I can ignore you because nothing you say means squat to me?

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:53 pm

mnosteele52 wrote:Blah, blah, blah.

Can you change it so that I can ignore you because nothing you say means squat to me?

So now you want me to do all your work for you? You are capable of ignoring me whether the feature on SG is there to help you or not.

blebs · Post by **blebs** » Sun Apr 29, 2012 9:06 am

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Sun Apr 29, 2012 10:41 am

blebs wrote:

That is a great skit.

RoundEye · Post by **RoundEye** » Sun Apr 29, 2012 7:00 pm

On the flip side of this, if the mission would have failed somehow, the American public would have figured out a way to lay the entire failure on him.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:13 am

RoundEye wrote:On the flip side of this, if the mission would have failed somehow, the American public would have figured out a way to lay the entire failure on him.

As petty and unreasonable as mnosteele has been about Obama I'm honestly surprised he didn't voice disappointment that Bin Laden was caught since Obama is President.

David · Post by **David** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:15 am

The unbridled contempt that the GOP has for Obama, even surpasses what they had for Clinton. It is clear that his opposition will not work with him, for fear of allowing him any credit for success. Mind you, I am not in love with our current Commander in Chief.

Of course Obama is not personally responsible for the demise of bin-Laden, however his survival brings into question the former president's desire to see him brought to justice.

As an aside..... It hurts to see these topics turn personal. You are all great people in my book.

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:36 pm

SEALs slam Obama for using them as 'ammunition' in bid to take credit for bin Laden killing during election campaign

Guess I'm not the only one who feels this way.

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Tue May 01, 2012 1:34 am

mnosteele52 wrote:SEALs slam Obama for using them as 'ammunition' in bid to take credit for bin Laden killing during election campaign

Guess I'm not the only one who feels this way.

"Former" SEALS. Just wanted to make that distinction.

I want to see Obama take credit for his Presidential assassination program which lead to the death of Anwar al-Awlaki who was an American citizen living in Yemen. Now THAT would be campaign worthy! And I guarantee that you wont ever hear Romney bring it up either. You should be asking why.

David · Post by **David** » Tue May 01, 2012 9:15 am

JawZ wrote:"Former" SEALS. Just wanted to make that distinction.

I want to see Obama take credit for his Presidential assassination program which lead to the death of Anwar al-Awlaki who was an American citizen living in Yemen. Now THAT would be campaign worthy! And I guarantee that you wont ever hear Romney bring it up either. You should be asking why.

It would play well in the sticks. "Yep, some people NEED killin'"

Ken · Post by **Ken** » Tue May 01, 2012 11:18 am

Serving and former US Navy SEALs have slammed President Barack Obama for taking the credit for killing Osama bin Laden and accused him of using Special Forces operators as ‘ammunition’ for his re-election campaign.

Serving and former seems to cover active and past... Of course the source is not msnbc...

David · Post by **David** » Tue May 01, 2012 1:48 pm

Leaders typically take credit of their stewards

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Tue May 01, 2012 3:32 pm

Ken wrote:Serving and former seems to cover active and past... Of course the source is not msnbc...

No serving SEAL is mentioned and for good reason. They won't tarnish their integrity by disparaging the POTUS as SEALS. They may do it in private when not in an official capacity but to do it as a SEAL would only invite UCMJ action which is exactly what happened recently to a Marine who earned himself a discharge when he publicly commented on the POTUS. That's why in the article, you only read one singular mention of a serving SEAL who is not named. There are multiple references to former SEALS and by name but not an active duty SEAL. That leads me to doubt that active SEAL's comment as genuine.

As for the credit, yeah, Obama gets to take it. He took on a huge risk by authorizing it because Bin Laden was inside a sovereign country (Pakistan) and operated without their knowledge or consent. If the OP went south and it almost did with the crash of the chopper, all responsibility would have fallen on his shoulders. IF you recall, Pakistan wasn't exactly happy with our OP inside their own country.

I want to see Obama gone just as much as anyone else, but again, this anger of the GOP is misplaced.

Miggs · Post by **Miggs** » Tue May 01, 2012 7:13 pm

I kind of feel sorry for this sad excuse of a president...........not.
He doesn't have anything to run on so guess what, "I killed Osama, I killed Osama" all over again.
Do you think if we had an adult in the white house this would be going on ?

David · Post by **David** » Tue May 01, 2012 7:32 pm

Miggs wrote:I kind of feel sorry for this sad excuse of a president...........not.
He doesn't have anything to run on so guess what, "I killed Osama, I killed Osama" all over again.
Do you think if we had an adult in the white house this would be going on ?

The funny thing is, he will probably be reelected. It is all in that signature of yours. A large segment of America is ready to believe the Obama is facing obstruction, rather than compromise. The GOP has but one goal and that is to beat Barack Obama. G-d forbid should anything go right that he might assume any measure of credit. Do not worry, sir, there is a large number of people ready to claim their credit for nothing done. But hey, look at Wall Street. The economy is working for someone.