Kid's hat banned from school

[jeremyboycool]

Your intolerance never wanes...

Sorry, just speaking my mind. I am sorry you have a problem with that.

[Humboldt]

It's the job of everyone who is involved in a childs upbringing to teach....teach everything. Behavior, life, ways of thinking, reasoning, social interaction, logic, manners, discipline, etc etc blah blah blah. End result is a faaaaaaar more rounded product, than someone taught those things by just parent(s). No matter how great of a parent they can be, and no matter how smart they can be, there is so much more to be learned by allowing the child to absorb more from many more influences.

Although I agree, keep in mind how stupid so many of the children are today. Nothing against them, but education needs to start at home, the schools can't compensate for lack of common sense in the child's upbringing.

One of my co-workers teaches part time, and literally has children who answer questions, "IDK."

As in, "I don't know." And they see nothing wrong with answering questions in school with baby text acronyms.

How is a teacher supposed to teach them morals when the kids are already so handicapped?

I don't have the answer either, short of the fact that although a child's moral and educational development should begin at home and be furthered by their schooling, a lot of these teachers are facing an uphill battle just getting the kids to speak and write normally.

[YARDofSTUF]

Ya the text language or internet shorthand is probably a detriment to learning proper grammar.

I've have a bad habit of writing up drafts in the past for jobs and such in it, just to get my ideas down quickly. I fix most but if I didn't have someone else proof read it I'd be submitting them with some acronyms or short versions of words.

I use to be a very good speller, and then I got the internet, its been downhill since. LOL

[Roody]

Although I agree, keep in mind how stupid so many of the children are today. Nothing against them, but education needs to start at home, the schools can't compensate for lack of common sense in the child's upbringing.

One of my co-workers teaches part time, and literally has children who answer questions, "IDK."

As in, "I don't know." And they see nothing wrong with answering questions in school with baby text acronyms.

How is a teacher supposed to teach them morals when the kids are already so handicapped?

I don't have the answer either, short of the fact that although a child's moral and educational development should begin at home and be furthered by their schooling, a lot of these teachers are facing an uphill battle just getting the kids to speak and write normally.

You are spot on. Parents need to build the foundation necessary so that when their kids go off to school they can thrive. Than the parents need to be pro-active in keeping up with their kids studies.

[jeremyboycool]

Ya the text language or internet shorthand is probably a detriment to learning proper grammar.

I've have a bad habit of writing up drafts in the past for jobs and such in it, just to get my ideas down quickly. I fix most but if I didn't have someone else proof read it I'd be submitting them with some acronyms or short versions of words.

I use to be a very good speller, and then I got the internet, its been downhill since. LOL

The Internet has had the opposite effect on me. Just look at some of my early post, it is not hard to see the difference.

[Humboldt]

You are spot on. Parents need to build the foundation necessary so that when their kids go off to school they can thrive. Than the parents need to be pro-active in keeping up with their kids studies.

Makes sense to me

I think a good school should teach a child as much as a parent does, but the subject matter is different. Overlapping aside.

Hell, my co-worker got told by 2 or 3 kids to "suck ** ****" in the space of one week. I forget the age but young, elementary school.

When she told their parents later they blinked and asked what the problem was.

[Humboldt]

The Internet has had the opposite effect on me. Just look at some of my early post, it is not hard to see the difference.

It can be quite the educational tool.

Learn just about whatever you want

[YeOldeStonecat]

Although I agree, keep in mind how stupid so many of the children are today. Nothing against them, but education needs to start at home, the schools can't compensate for lack of common sense in the child's upbringing.

"Start at home"...I agree. I just don't agree any influences should be limited to at home.
Ever see a kid that came from a home of...lets say, sub average parents...as in...parents that are lacking in education or they lack the ability to have a positive influence on their child? In some cases, an adult neighbor, or the parent of a friend of that child, or a teacher, or an uncle...can help fill the void of an influential adult role model.

I can look back at my early years, and still remember some teachers, some neighbors, some friends of my parents...that I learned some important things from, and I still have fond memories now of those moments, and can realize how important they were in helping to shape me. My parents were incredible, always there, both highly educated, my dad was especially amazing with his mind and knowledge...but still for me to be able to learn from outside the home gave me that much more. They chose a private high school for me, as public high school wasn't good enough in their minds to prep me for further college education. I'm thankful for every opportunity I was able to experience as a child, inside the home...and out.

A childs mind should be allowed to perceive and absorb and learn and grow...from every positive influence throughout their day, regardless of location or who. Makes for a much more rounded experience and a broader mind.

[Roody]

My wife is a Pre-K teacher so I know as well as anyone the affect a good teacher has on a student. Truth is as it's been said already you need both good parents and good teachers.

[Leatherneck]

I Bass fish with a high school teacher friend and the crap he has to endure is pathetic. Is there anyone out there in my age group (49) that even had it in their mind to tell a teacher to F%@k off? It's all to common these days. Society as a whole has failed. I have my beliefs why but I dare not air them or I face the wrath of those much more "modern & with it" than me.

[YARDofSTUF]

I Bass fish with a high school teacher friend and the crap he has to endure is pathetic. Is there anyone out there in my age group (49) that even had it in their mind to tell a teacher to F%@k off? It's all to common these days. Society as a whole has failed. I have my beliefs why but I dare not air them or I face the wrath of those much more "modern & with it" than me.

I'm only closing in on 30, but it was starting be more common with my generation I think. Though my dad did tell a few teachers to F off and almost got in a fight with one back when he was in school.

So its not new, its just more common. And ya, teachers get sh*t on bad these days.

[Roody]

I Bass fish with a high school teacher friend and the crap he has to endure is pathetic. Is there anyone out there in my age group (49) that even had it in their mind to tell a teacher to F%@k off? It's all to common these days. Society as a whole has failed. I have my beliefs why but I dare not air them or I face the wrath of those much more "modern & with it" than me.

Big reason why I am a proponent of christian schools. Yeah, you get things that happen at the Christian school I work at and others, but it's not near the garbage you would get at a public school. The education is a lot better also as our scores show across the board.

[Leatherneck]

Big reason why I am a proponent of christian schools. Yeah, you get things that happen at the Christian school I work at and others, but it's not near the garbage you would get at a public school. The education is a lot better also as our scores show across the board.

It's a shame that a family has to spend a literal fortune for a good education. You would think a country would want an educated population but then again it's harder to control something with a brain.

[YARDofSTUF]

Big reason why I am a proponent of christian schools. Yeah, you get things that happen at the Christian school I work at and others, but it's not near the garbage you would get at a public school. The education is a lot better also as our scores show across the board.

Downside is that not all Christian schools are fully accredited. I had done a few high school level classes in 7th and 8th grade for math, so I could start at geometry 1 and then algebra 2 my freshmen year but the high school didn't accept the results and placed me in pre algebra, followed by pre geometry.

My overall grades weren't at honors level because of my religion grade bringing the rest down, which meant I couldn't take spanish there, because only honors students were allowed to take it.

It also had less equipment and course offerings than the middle school. When I went into 7th grade we had just gotten some Tandy TRS 80s, a 1981 PC for students to learn on in 1992-1993. In 1996 or 1997 they actually got ONE Packard Bell 486 machine.

Had I been in the public school system I most likely would have had a better start in high school. You really have to look at them on a school by school basis.

[YeOldeStonecat]

Downside is that not all Christian schools are fully accredited. I had done a few high school level classes in 7th and 8th grade for math, so I could start at geometry 1 and then algebra 2 my freshmen year but the high school didn't accept the results and placed me in pre algebra, followed by pre geometry.

My overall grades weren't at honors level because of my religion grade bringing the rest down, which meant I couldn't take spanish there, because only honors students were allowed to take it.

It also had less equipment and course offerings than the middle school. When I went into 7th grade we had just gotten some Tandy TRS 80s, a 1981 PC for students to learn on in 1992-1993. In 1996 or 1997 they actually got ONE Packard Bell 486 machine.

Had I been in the public school system I most likely would have had a better start in high school. You really have to look at them on a school by school basis.

That's the same with all schools though...public and private. Parents should do their homework, one of the decisions a better informed parent should make is to select a town with good school systems available to put their kids through...and select a home and town accordingly. Not all private schools are created equally...and also, not all towns public schools are created equally. Back when I was about to get out of junior high, there were 3x private schools which were popular alternatives to the local town public schools. The interview for the schools and family should go both ways. The private high school I went to, the computer lab was awesome, we had a whole classroom full of quite new Apple II, plus, and E computers loaded with peripherals. Many of them brand new models just out in the past year.

[Roody]

It's a shame that a family has to spend a literal fortune for a good education. You would think a country would want an educated population but then again it's harder to control something with a brain.

No doubt. I agree it is unfortunate.

[Roody]

Downside is that not all Christian schools are fully accredited. I had done a few high school level classes in 7th and 8th grade for math, so I could start at geometry 1 and then algebra 2 my freshmen year but the high school didn't accept the results and placed me in pre algebra, followed by pre geometry.

My overall grades weren't at honors level because of my religion grade bringing the rest down, which meant I couldn't take spanish there, because only honors students were allowed to take it.

It also had less equipment and course offerings than the middle school. When I went into 7th grade we had just gotten some Tandy TRS 80s, a 1981 PC for students to learn on in 1992-1993. In 1996 or 1997 they actually got ONE Packard Bell 486 machine.

Had I been in the public school system I most likely would have had a better start in high school. You really have to look at them on a school by school basis.

That's a fair point regarding education. In general though you don't deal with the BS you deal with at a public school when it comes to problem students.