Wish all States Were Like Arizona

[Miggs]

I wish all the states had the balls to pass a bill like this, lets get these illegals the hell out of here and get our great country back.

[YeOldeStonecat]

Imagine how the native indians felt back during the colonization days....

[YARDofSTUF]

[Sarahnn]

I wish all the states had the balls to pass a bill like this, lets get these illegals the hell out of here and get our great country back.

I need to take a closer look at the new law. I'm not that familiar with it.

I do know that Arizona is sending out an SOS with this new legislation showing that the state is suffering dire consequences from the lack of border security and a reaction from Arizona legislature certainly would be forthcoming.

[Sarahnn]

Imagine how the native indians felt back during the colonization days....

Our government treated the Indians badly due to greed. But, what happened to the American Indians does not give illegal aliens any special rights on U.S. soil. Talk about apples and oranges.

[Sava700]

I'm in favor of the huge wall all the way along the boarder...



Need this all the way over but larger.

[YeOldeStonecat]

To the native American Indians...who the hell where these strangers coming over on ships and taking over everything? They (the natives) didn't have such matching words...but don't you think they look at these settlers as sort of an illegal alien? Not wanted?

Fast forward to now, very high percentage of people who are barely a couple of generations settled here...because their grandparents and great grandparents and great great... were probably fairly fresh off the boat..are turning around and doing the same thing. A bit of hypocrisy IMO.

[Dan]

I do know that Arizona is sending out an SOS with this new legislation showing that the state is suffering dire consequences from the lack of border security and a reaction from Arizona legislature certainly would be forthcoming.

my take on it is that is was an attempt to get the attention of the feds on the issue for some help on an extreme problem they are having there.

[Sarahnn]

To the native American Indians...who the hell where these strangers coming over on ships and taking over everything? They (the natives) didn't have such matching words...but don't you think they look at these settlers as sort of an illegal alien? Not wanted?

Fast forward to now, very high percentage of people who are barely a couple of generations settled here...because their grandparents and great grandparents and great great... were probably fairly fresh off the boat..are turning around and doing the same thing. A bit of hypocrisy IMO.

These illegal aliens are not trying to escape from pursecution, and tryranny. They are not willing to forsake their native home to seek refuge in a new country where they will make a contribution as new citizens.

They are murderers, drug smugglers, gun runners, gang members. They have overrun our resources and give nothing back. They act like criminals. They hide and lie and fake their identities. They loiter and protest for rights they are not entitled to because they are not here legally.

We are very willing to let Latinos in our country. But, we have a process by which we ask them to cross the border legally. If they avoid that process intentionally, there is most likely a good reason why we don't want them.

There is nothing hypocritical about that.

[jeremyboycool]

These illegal aliens are not trying to escape from pursecution, and tryranny. They are not willing to forsake their native home to seek refuge in a new country where they will make a contribution as new citizens.

They are murderers, drug smugglers, gun runners, gang members. They have overrun our resources and give nothing back. They act like criminals. They hide and lie and fake their identities. They loiter and protest for rights they are not entitled to because they are not here legally.

We are very willing to let Latinos in our country. But, we have a process by which we ask them to cross the border legally. If they avoid that process intentionally, there is most likely a good reason why we don't want them.

There is nothing hypocritical about that.

Well, there's a big steaming pile of crap.

[mnosteele52]

These illegal aliens are not trying to escape from pursecution, and tryranny. They are not willing to forsake their native home to seek refuge in a new country where they will make a contribution as new citizens.

They are murderers, drug smugglers, gun runners, gang members. They have overrun our resources and give nothing back. They act like criminals. They hide and lie and fake their identities. They loiter and protest for rights they are not entitled to because they are not here legally.

We are very willing to let Latinos in our country. But, we have a process by which we ask them to cross the border legally. If they avoid that process intentionally, there is most likely a good reason why we don't want them.

There is nothing hypocritical about that.

WOW, you are so out of touch with what's going on that it's scary.

[Mutch]

These illegal aliens are not trying to escape from pursecution, and tryranny. They are not willing to forsake their native home to seek refuge in a new country where they will make a contribution as new citizens.

They are murderers, drug smugglers, gun runners, gang members. They have overrun our resources and give nothing back. They act like criminals. They hide and lie and fake their identities. They loiter and protest for rights they are not entitled to because they are not here legally.

We are very willing to let Latinos in our country. But, we have a process by which we ask them to cross the border legally. If they avoid that process intentionally, there is most likely a good reason why we don't want them.

There is nothing hypocritical about that.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. So I guess that every starving family that spends a week trying to get into the states is a family of drug dealers, or possibly murderers?

People like YOU, make americans look terrible. Your little rant was worse off that the guy who started the thread, at least hes direct with his racism, and not a complete blind moron.

[terrancelam]

These illegal aliens are not trying to escape from pursecution, and tryranny. They are not willing to forsake their native home to seek refuge in a new country where they will make a contribution as new citizens.

They are murderers, drug smugglers, gun runners, gang members. They have overrun our resources and give nothing back. They act like criminals. They hide and lie and fake their identities. They loiter and protest for rights they are not entitled to because they are not here legally.

We are very willing to let Latinos in our country. But, we have a process by which we ask them to cross the border legally. If they avoid that process intentionally, there is most likely a good reason why we don't want them.

There is nothing hypocritical about that.

.....

I'm glad I live in Canada.

[Prey521]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. So I guess that every starving family that spends a week trying to get into the states is a family of drug dealers, or possibly murderers?

Of course not, but just because Mexico and other Central American countries are big steaming piles of crap doesn't give them the right to break our laws by entering here illegally. Big problems require drastic measures and Arizona has a huge problem with illegals. Is what they're doing the right thing for all States, probably not, but those border States need a lot of help that they're not getting from the Feds. I hear that a Texas Congresswomen is planing on introducing similar legislation for her State. Good for them...if the Feds won't help in keeping them out, then the States have every right to kick them out.

[Sarahnn]

WOW, you are so out of touch with what's going on that it's scary.

Me???Wake up and get a clue yourself. Arizona just passed a law because of what I just said. Is Arizona out of touch like me?

[Sarahnn]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. So I guess that every starving family that spends a week trying to get into the states is a family of drug dealers, or possibly murderers?

People like YOU, make americans look terrible. Your little rant was worse off that the guy who started the thread, at least hes direct with his racism, and not a complete blind moron.

I am backing Arizona's new law. Are you so out of touch with the American experience on our border states that you even have the gall to call the Americans who deal with this everyday complete blind morons? Read the news, catch up with current events. Read about Mexico and the crime they deal with and have been dealing with for generations.

If you don't mind illegal aliens pouring over our borders, there are people who do. I would welcome anyone into my house who needed refuge or my help, but if someone crawls through the window and hides from me in my own house, I will call him an intruder and act accordingly. America is my home.

That does not make me a complete blind moron.

[Brk]

I wish all the states had the balls to pass a bill like this, lets get these illegals the hell out of here and get our great country back.

You're cheering your own slavery, my friend.

Once states adopt similar measures, it will extend to all citizens. All will be forced to show their IDs at any time upon request by someone in "authority."

You may find that unobtrusive since you're not illegal and not "doing anything wrong", but to me it is an affront to personal liberty.

[mnosteele52]

Me???Wake up and get a clue yourself. Arizona just passed a law because of what I just said. Is Arizona out of touch like me?

You just lumped ALL illegal aliens in this country as "murderers, drug smugglers, gun runners, gang members". You also stated "these illegal aliens are not trying to escape from pursecution, and tyranny". Ummm, they are NOT all murderers, drug smugglers, gun runners, gang members and they do come here trying to escape from pursecution, and tyranny.

I completely agree with sending all illegal aliens back to their own country and making them come here legally, but the reason there are so many of them here illegally is because of the way our government has handled it for so long, and now Obama and his cronies want to simply grant ALL of them immunity and citizenship..... THAT'S BS, he wants to do that to guarantee their votes for him in the next election and it's 100% wrong. They come here looking for a better life and more freedom, but they need to do it the right way. As long as they are here legally and pay taxes like the rest of us I have no problem with anyone coming to our country, they aren't so nice to illegal aliens in Mexico.

[Sarahnn]

The ignorance here from a couple of you who call me names is mind-blowing. You are quick to judge me and Arizona law makers, but since you don't have to live in Arizona or another border state, you get all indignant and crusade for illegal immigration.

Here is some information. Keep in mind there are over 12 milliion illegal aliens in our country now.

Notably, the NDTA 2010 details the rising availability of most illicit drugs in the United States largely the result of Mexican DTO efforts to increase drug production and distribution. In fact, in 2009 the prevalence of four of the five major drugs—heroin, methamphetamine, marijuana, and MDMA (3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine)—was widespread and increasing in some areas. The diversion and abuse of CPDs are also increasing throughout the country. Conversely, cocaine shortages first identified in 2007 persisted in many markets. Additionally, Mexican drug trafficking organizations (DTOs) remain the single greatest drug trafficking threat to the United States.

Significant trends include:

•Increased heroin availability evidenced by higher purity, lower prices, and elevated numbers of heroin-related overdoses and overdose deaths is partly attributable to increased production in Mexico from 17 pure metric tons in 2007 to 38 pure metric tons in 2008, according to U.S. Government estimates.
•Despite recent government of Mexico (GOM) efforts to prohibit the importation of methamphetamine precursor chemicals, methamphetamine availability increased as the result of higher production in Mexico using alternative, less-efficient precursors. Sustained domestic production also contributed to the increased availability levels.
•Cocaine shortages have persisted in many U.S. drug markets since early 2007, primarily because of decreased cocaine production in Colombia but also because of increased worldwide demand for cocaine, especially in Europe; high cocaine seizure levels that continued through 2009; and enhanced GOM counterdrug efforts. These factors most likely resulted in decreased amounts of cocaine being transported from Colombia to the U.S.–Mexico border for subsequent smuggling into the United States.
•The threat posed by the diversion and abuse of CPDs, primarily pain relievers, is increasing, evidenced by the sharp rise in the percentage (4.6% in 2007 to 9.8% in 2009) of state and local law enforcement agencies reporting CPDs as their greatest drug threat. Increased abuse of CPDs has led to elevated numbers of deaths related to prescription opioids, which increased 98 percent from 2002 to 2006.
Mexican DTOs continue to represent the single greatest drug trafficking threat to the United States. Mexican DTOs, already the predominant wholesale suppliers of illicit drugs in the United States, are gaining even greater strength in eastern drug markets where Colombian DTO strength is diminishing. The extent of Mexican DTO influence over domestic drug trafficking was evidenced in several ways in 2009.

•Mexican DTOs increased their cooperation with U.S.-based street and prison gangs to distribute drugs. In many areas, these gangs were using their alliances with Mexican DTOs to facilitate an expansion of their midlevel and retail drug distribution operations into more rural and suburban areas.
•Mexican DTOs increased the flow of several drugs (heroin, methamphetamine, and marijuana) into the United States, primarily because the increased production in Mexico.
•Mexican DTOs smuggled bulk cash drug proceeds totaling tens of billions of dollars from the United States through the Southwest Border and into Mexico. Much of the bulk cash (millions each week) was consolidated by the DTOs in several key areas, including Atlanta, Chicago, Los Angeles, New York City, and North Carolina, where it was prepared for transport to the U.S.–Mexico border and then smuggled into Mexico.

http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2010/March/10-ag-314.html

[Sarahnn]

You're cheering your own slavery, my friend.

Once states adopt similar measures, it will extend to all citizens. All will be forced to show their IDs at any time upon request by someone in "authority."

You may find that unobtrusive since you're not illegal and not "doing anything wrong", but to me it is an affront to personal liberty.

That's total utter bull*****, Burke.

[Sarahnn]

You just lumped ALL illegal aliens in this country as "murderers, drug smugglers, gun runners, gang members". You also stated "these illegal aliens are not trying to escape from pursecution, and tyranny". Ummm, they are NOT all murderers, drug smugglers, gun runners, gang members and they do come here trying to escape from pursecution, and tyranny.

No, you just lumped them altogether when you said "they do come here trying to escape from persecution and tyranny. Then you rolled your eyes? Really? Alll illegals come here to escape from persecution and tyranny?

[Roody]

I don't want people here illegally either, but this is a crap response to it. Not only does it encourage racial profiling, but there is going to be a ton of Mexican-Americans who will know waste ridiculous amounts of time catering to the profiling that is now going to happen.

[Leatherneck]

Once states adopt similar measures, it will extend to all citizens. All will be forced to show their IDs at any time upon request by someone in "authority."

Might very well be coming. If nothing else, we will look like all them other commie countries in the movies checking everyone's credentials at every check point.

"Papers please"
"Sir, we're just in the drivethrough line at Burger King"
"Yes, but you may be on the national restricted diet list"
"No, I lost the required 10 pounds last month" and haven't used a doctor since"

[JawZ]

You're cheering your own slavery, my friend.

Once states adopt similar measures, it will extend to all citizens. All will be forced to show their IDs at any time upon request by someone in "authority."

You may find that unobtrusive since you're not illegal and not "doing anything wrong", but to me it is an affront to personal liberty.

Gee, didn't we talk about this a year ago? I can't wait until they couple this with "indefinite detentions".

[mnosteele52]

The ignorance here from a couple of you who call me names is mind-blowing. You are quick to judge me and Arizona law makers, but since you don't have to live in Arizona or another border state, you get all indignant and crusade for illegal immigration.

Here is some information. Keep in mind there are over 12 milliion illegal aliens in our country now.



http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2010/March/10-ag-314.html

Ummm, no one called you names, reread what we all posted, so don't try and spin what we said. What I said was what you posted is way off base, you stereotyped all illegal immigrants with your statement, a statement which is not true.

What Arizona is doing is not unconstitutional or even wrong, if you read the actual law it is very detailed in what law enforcement officers can and cannot due. Obama wants to wave his magic wand and give them all amnesty so I don't blame Arizona one bit for what they are doing.

Sarahnn, the majority of illegals in this country are hard working people looking for a better life, not the low life's you describe them as, that's why I have an issue with your statement. As I said, the majority are good people, but there are many here that do fall into your categories. I think anyone residing in any country illegally should be deported back to their own country.

[Sarahnn]

I need to see an actual copy of the new bill. I haven't found it yet. I'm not sure what the law actually says. I guess everyone else here does,

And I suppose no one read the stats on Mexico's influence on our crime rate here, through illegal immigration. But, hell, why be bothered with the facts when we can just go by our "feelings" about whats good and what's bad.

[Sarahnn]

Ummm, no one called you names, reread what we all posted,

No, you should reread what Mutch posted.

People like YOU, make americans look terrible. Your little rant was worse off that the guy who started the thread, at least hes direct with his racism, and not a complete blind moron.

I took that to mean me.

so don't try and spin what we said.

I don't spin, I read the comments so don't spin what I do, k?

What I said was what you posted is way off base, you stereotyped all illegal immigrants with your statement, a statement which is not true.

As a matter of fact, so did you. Illegal immigrants are starving familes who are persecuted and escaping tyranny. Well, the statistics don't prove you out. Illegals are shall we say... "Illegal"???

What Arizona is doing is not unconstitutional or even wrong, if you read the actual law it is very detailed in what law enforcement officers can and cannot due. Obama wants to wave his magic wand and give them all amnesty so I don't blame Arizona one bit for what they are doing.

I've been looking all over for the actual law.

Sarahnn, the majority of illegals in this country are hard working people looking for a better life, not the low life's you describe them as, that's why I have an issue with your statement. As I said, the majority are good people, but there are many here that do fall into your categories. I think anyone residing in any country illegally should be deported back to their own country.

If you were saying that only 1% of illegal aliens were criminals and could back it with stats, I couldn't disagree. Maybe I should put it like this. If we do not guard our borders, those bad people I spoke of will come to America and cause great damage. I don't care if there are 100 or 1000 per million, its a fact and if we continue to water it down, more people will be kidnapped, murdered, victims of gang wars etc etc.

Stop trying to be so politically correct. We got a serious problem here. It gets worse because we refuse to believe we are being invaded by criminals with criminal intentions. What would you do right now if I could prove to you beyond a shadow of a doubt that what I say is true?

Btw, please read the stats from the Dept of Justice. Then we can both relate on a level of knowledge that doesn't play to "feelings".

[Humboldt]

Sarahnn, the majority of illegals in this country are hard working people looking for a better life, not the low life's you describe them as, that's why I have an issue with your statement. As I said, the majority are good people, but there are many here that do fall into your categories. I think anyone residing in any country illegally should be deported back to their own country.

Well put.

Sarahn, I took your initial post the same way everyone else did.
The way you worded it there's no other interpretation.

No one's denying the immigration problems or a need to come to grips with ways to deal with it. But in no way would I agree with your blanket statement that's already been quoted.

And yes, I've lived in Arizona.

[Sarahnn]

Well put.

Sarahn, I took your initial post the same way everyone else did.
The way you worded it there's no other interpretation.

No one's denying the immigration problems or a need to come to grips with ways to deal with it. But in no way would I agree with your blanket statement that's already been quoted.

And yes, I've lived in Arizona.

It wasn't intended that way. My focus was on the illegal aliens that have made stricter laws in Arizona a necessity. I meant what I said and I said what I meant. I did not say "all". But it's a nice diversion to point the fickle finger of guilt to me rather than admit our border with Mexico is nothing but a sewer line feeding despair into the U.S.

If you all would read my info from the Dept. of Justice, you too would focus on the problems illegal aliens are bringing to our country.

[Humboldt]

It wasn't intended that way. My focus was on the illegal aliens that have made stricter laws in Arizona a necessity. I meant what I said and I said what I meant. I did not say "all". But it's a nice diversion to point the fickle finger of guilt to me rather than admit our border with Mexico is nothing but a sewer line feeding despair into the U.S.

Huh.
"It wasn't intended that way...I meant what I said and said what I meant."
Which is it?

You didn't say "all" but it was damn well implied.

And I didn't point any fingers at you so don't put words in my mouth, to the contrary I said, "No one's denying the immigration problems or a need to come to grips with ways to deal with it."

[Sarahnn]

Okay, I'm going to redact my statement and see where the bleeding heart liberals here go next.

You may quote me:

These illegal aliens ***(by "these" I am referring to the illegal immigrants for whom Arizona felt new laws were necessary to keep order and protect its citizens)*** are not trying to escape from pursecution, and tryranny. They are not willing to forsake their native home to seek refuge in a new country where they will make a contribution as new citizens.

They ***(by "they" I am referring to the illegal immigrants for whom Arizona felt new laws were necessary to keep order and protect its citizens)*** are murderers, drug smugglers, gun runners, gang members. They have overrun our resources and give nothing back. They act like criminals. They hide and lie and fake their identities. They loiter and protest for rights they are not entitled to because they are not here legally.

Are we clear now?

[Humboldt]

Okay, I'm going to redact my statement and see where the bleeding heart liberals here go next.

You may quote me:

These illegal aliens ***(by "these" I am referring to the illegal immigrants for whom Arizona felt new laws were necessary to keep order and protect its citizens)*** are not trying to escape from pursecution, and tryranny. They are not willing to forsake their native home to seek refuge in a new country where they will make a contribution as new citizens.

They ***(by "they" I am referring to the illegal immigrants for whom Arizona felt new laws were necessary to keep order and protect its citizens)*** are murderers, drug smugglers, gun runners, gang members. They have overrun our resources and give nothing back. They act like criminals. They hide and lie and fake their identities. They loiter and protest for rights they are not entitled to because they are not here legally.

Are we clear now?

Bleeding heart liberals? Give me a ****ing break

[Sarahnn]

Bleeding heart liberals? Give me a ****ing break

Waahhhhh.....poor starving woman trying to feed her poor starving family cross border to turn herself in to start new life.....you give me a break.

I'm a bleeding heart for the Mexicans who have to stand in line longer now to enter our country legally..... so..it works both ways I guess.

[Sarahnn]

Huh.
"It wasn't intended that way...I meant what I said and said what I meant."
Which is it?

You didn't say "all" but it was damn well implied.

And I didn't point any fingers at you so don't put words in my mouth, to the contrary I said, "No one's denying the immigration problems or a need to come to grips with ways to deal with it."

I didn't say all. And I did not damn well imply it. But, those are the only illegal immigrants I am concerned about. And frankly, when a new immigrant approaches me, I don't know who is who. It must be terrible in Arizona and other border states. They have my full sympathy and support.

[Dan]

Once states adopt similar measures, it will extend to all citizens. All will be forced to show their IDs at any time upon request by someone in "authority."

some states already allow that in a way

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_I ... D_statutes

http://www.knowmyrights.org/faq/4th-ame ... ow-id.html


the law IMO is vague and confusing

[Mark]

I wish all the states had the balls to pass a bill like this, lets get these illegals the hell out of here and get our great country back.

i have to agree, it's about time we did something about illegals over burdening our system.

my family came here by following the rules, why can't theirs ?

and to anyone who calls me a racist, well fuxk you then

[Dan]

i have to agree, it's about time we did something about illegals over burdening our system.

my family came here by following the rules, why can't theirs ?

and to anyone who calls me a racist, well fuxk you then

hey ! your avatar winks now ! right on dude !

[Mark]

hey ! your avatar winks now ! right on dude !

OMFG are you calling me a racist ?








































































it has always winked LOL

[Dan]

i have to agree, it's about time we did something about illegals over burdening our system.

my family came here by following the rules, why can't theirs ?

and to anyone who calls me a racist, well fuxk you then

I agree with you,I'm tired of the political correctness" bullshit too !

[JC]

My understanding of the bill is that, it's the same as the "federal" bill currently in effect today.