Michael Jackson had cardiac arrest!

9mmprincess · Post by **9mmprincess** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 2:10 am

Mark wrote:looks like he is dead after all

boo hoo hoo, another pedophile is gone, sorry but i just can't get emotional over this news.

Finally, someone who echoes my sentiments. I liked his music up to Thriller - musically after that, he got boring. It's all the accusations of child molestation that bother me. Sure, he was acquitted on some of the charges. Oj was acquitted, too. There's also the boy he settled with rather than go to court. If I were accused of something like that, I'd go to court and spend my last dime trying to prove my innocence. I believe he DID molest kids... therefore I feel no sadness that he's gone.

The thing I come back to is this - take away his musical talent, and pretend he's just Joe Blow - Joe Blow who was accused multiple times of child molestation, said it was perfectly ok to sleep in a bed with little kids, settled rather than fought a molestation charge. Would you be sad for Joe Blow's death?

I'll never understand how something as ephemeral as some hit songs can make people be on the side of someone who's hurt little kids.

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 2:25 am

9mmprincess wrote:Finally, someone who echoes my sentiments. I liked his music up to Thriller - musically after that, he got boring. It's all the accusations of child molestation that bother me. Sure, he was acquitted on some of the charges. Oj was acquitted, too. There's also the boy he settled with rather than go to court. If I were accused of something like that, I'd go to court and spend my last dime trying to prove my innocence. I believe he DID molest kids... therefore I feel no sadness that he's gone.

The thing I come back to is this - take away his musical talent, and pretend he's just Joe Blow - Joe Blow who was accused multiple times of child molestation, said it was perfectly ok to sleep in a bed with little kids, settled rather than fought a molestation charge. Would you be sad for Joe Blow's death?

I'll never understand how something as ephemeral as some hit songs can make people be on the side of someone who's hurt little kids.

Oj was acquitted and you still think he's a murderer correct? So if MJ went to trial and was acquitted, it still would have been a much broader exposure period and if found innocent, people would still think that he did it because kids never lie correct?

Do I think he was weird enough to do crap like that...yep, but I can't prove it. MJ obviously had a competent legal defense team/army working on his behalf and so did the prosecution. If the prosecution felt it had an ironclad case, I'm not so sure it would have allowed the case to be settled out of court.

In any case, the dude had issues and I think that there will be more to the story behind his death than what we know now. there almost always is. Look at Carradine's death for example.

9mmprincess · Post by **9mmprincess** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 4:32 am

JawZ wrote:Oj was acquitted and you still think he's a murderer correct? So if MJ went to trial and was acquitted, it still would have been a much broader exposure period and if found innocent, people would still think that he did it because kids never lie correct?

Do I think he was weird enough to do crap like that...yep, but I can't prove it. MJ obviously had a competent legal defense team/army working on his behalf and so did the prosecution. If the prosecution felt it had an ironclad case, I'm not so sure it would have allowed the case to be settled out of court.

In any case, the dude had issues and I think that there will be more to the story behind his death than what we know now. there almost always is. Look at Carradine's death for example.

I'm not saying kids never lie... but what bothers me is that there were multiple accusations of abuse.. not just one. And the fact that he settled. As for OJ, I believe he's guilty, but obviously I don't know for sure he is, just like I don't know for sure Michael abused kids. I believe he did though.

I'm not celebrating his death or anything... but I don't feel any sadness.

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 8:40 am

I don't think he did any type of child abuse... he was a target for his money that was a fact givin but his Cardiac Arrest and his now Death is what we are talking about and discussing how his music effected our lives.. I think we could apply a little respect in those regards.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 8:53 am

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 8:58 am

YARDofSTUF wrote:

I had to laugh at that..but come on man!

tao_jones · Post by **tao_jones** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 8:59 am

Sava700 wrote:I don't think he did any type of child abuse... he was a target for his money that was a fact givin but his Cardiac Arrest and his now Death is what we are talking about and discussing how his music effected our lives.. I think we could apply a little respect in those regards.

I think I might have a fever but I agree with Sava.

9mmprincess · Post by **9mmprincess** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 9:22 am

I came across a retrospective of MJ's life last night, I think on CNN, and I stopped to watch for a bit. They spoke to a police detective, who said that one of the boys who said he was molested correctly identified a mark on MJ's genitals. He also said that although MJ had incredible security outside his house, he also had an alarm in the hallway that led to his bedroom. The cop said he's seen this in other pedophile's houses - the alarm goes off in the bedroom to let Michael know someone's in the hall. HOw could that be a security alarm? Once someone's a minute or two from your door, there's not much you can do. The cop saw it more as an alarm letting MJ know that someone waas coming, so he could stop any illicit activities with someone underage, before someone walked in on him.

There's more, but those two, plus the multiple allegations, are more than enough for me. The officer also said during a search they found books with photos of nude children. Not child porn types, but just like a collection of pics like families would take of their kid in the bath or at the beach or whatever. A whole book of them.

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 10:50 am

Jackson dies, almost takes Internet with him

http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/06/26/mich ... index.html

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:01 pm

9mmprincess wrote:I came across a retrospective of MJ's life last night, I think on CNN, and I stopped to watch for a bit. They spoke to a police detective, who said that one of the boys who said he was molested correctly identified a mark on MJ's genitals. He also said that although MJ had incredible security outside his house, he also had an alarm in the hallway that led to his bedroom. The cop said he's seen this in other pedophile's houses - the alarm goes off in the bedroom to let Michael know someone's in the hall. HOw could that be a security alarm? Once someone's a minute or two from your door, there's not much you can do. The cop saw it more as an alarm letting MJ know that someone waas coming, so he could stop any illicit activities with someone underage, before someone walked in on him.

There's more, but those two, plus the multiple allegations, are more than enough for me. The officer also said during a search they found books with photos of nude children. Not child porn types, but just like a collection of pics like families would take of their kid in the bath or at the beach or whatever. A whole book of them.

I'm sure you can respect the man a little and the thread without trying to kick him while he's getting put in the casket.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:03 pm

Sava700 wrote:This issue isn't up for discussion.

It sure seems to be.

brembo · Post by **brembo** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:08 pm

Hey, how do you tell if it's bedtime at MJ's house?

The big hand touches the little hand.

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:16 pm

brembo wrote:Hey, how do you tell if it's bedtime at MJ's house?

The big hand touches the little hand.

that joke is older than dirt.

brembo · Post by **brembo** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:17 pm

Gixxer wrote:that joke is older than dirt.

Still makes me giggle some.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:21 pm

brembo wrote:Hey, how do you tell if it's bedtime at MJ's house?

The big hand touches the little hand.

David · Post by **David** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:47 pm

Like DaVinci and Walt Whitman, Jackson left his mark by his creations, not his personal life. Right or wrong.

The divergent perspectives are a testament to our respective ages.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:54 pm

The doctor that lived with MJ is nowhere to be found. Some shady stuff might be goin on here.

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:58 pm

brembo wrote:Hey, how do you tell if it's bedtime at MJ's house?

The big hand touches the little hand.

What does MJ and JC Penneys have in common?

....Boys underwear....1/2 off!!!

Even an old timer can have that perspective.

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 4:07 pm

David wrote:Like DaVinci and Walt Whitman, Jackson left his mark by his creations, not his personal life. Right or wrong.

The divergent perspectives are a testament to our respective ages.

David · Post by **David** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 4:08 pm

YeOldeStonecat wrote:What does MJ and JC Penneys have in common?

....Boys underwear....1/2 off!!!

Even an old timer can have that perspective.

Well, who doesn't like a good joke?

Faust · Post by **Faust** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 4:23 pm

i always wondered if his chimp's name was engineered so the idea of taking a bath with bubbles had special meaning.

triniwasp · Post by **triniwasp** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 12:32 am

RIP

Loved his music up to Smooth Criminal, but yeah he did some weird stuff.

9mmprincess · Post by **9mmprincess** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 1:29 am

Sava700 wrote:This issue isn't up for discussion regardless what you think he did or what you believe.... its really about his cardiac arrest and now death from it.

I'm sure you can respect the man a little and the thread without trying to kick him while he's getting put in the casket.

Actually someone else brought it up, I was just responding. Wasn't aware certain issues were "off limits" here, but since you're obviously upset, I'll say no more. I wasn't trying to "kick" anyone though, or "disrespect" the thread - just have a discussion.

fixationdarknes · Post by **fixationdarknes** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 5:14 am

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 6:30 am

^^^ ROFL at the CSI Miami spoof!

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 9:31 am

YeOldeStonecat wrote:^^^ ROFL at the CSI Miami spoof!

Dan · Post by **Dan** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 9:53 am

Sava700 wrote:This issue isn't up for discussion regardless what you think he did or what you believe.... .

it is if she wants to talk about it !

why ! because YOU say so ? LOL

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 5:38 pm

David wrote:Well, who doesn't like a good joke?

although i like jokes too, that was old and not a good joke either.

now this on the other hand....

MJ's last words:

"take me to children's medical center"

Lefty · Post by **Lefty** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 5:46 pm

While I think most dead people jokes are tasteless, I have to report the news. http://www.deadmichaeljacksonjokes.com/

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 6:15 pm

Dan wrote:it is if she wants to talk about it !

why ! because YOU say so ? LOL

lol no man.. don't carry your pissin match over to this thread from the other...no need for that either. Its respectful regardless if I want it or anyone else wants it. Can ya just relax?

Dan · Post by **Dan** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 6:28 pm

Sava700 wrote:lol no man.. don't carry your pissin match over to this thread from the other...no need for that either. Its respectful regardless if I want it or anyone else wants it. Can ya just relax?

no

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 7:36 pm

Jailhouse tribute for Michael Jackson: Filipino prisoners reprise cellblock 'Thriller' dance

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainmen ... dance.html

CableDude · Post by **CableDude** » Sun Jun 28, 2009 9:04 am

I went to an indoor football game last night and they were constantly playing MJ songs.

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Sun Jun 28, 2009 5:47 pm

For the haters:

Jackson donated and raised millions of dollars for beneficial causes through his foundations, charity singles, and support of 39 charities (which is a guiness record).
One of the few artists to have been inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame twice, his other achievements include multiple Guinness World Records—including one for "Most Successful Entertainer of All Time"—13 Grammy Awards, 13 number one singles in his solo career, and the sale of 750 million records worldwide.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jackson#cite_note-worldwidesales-3

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Sun Jun 28, 2009 5:57 pm

Gixxer wrote: Jackson donated and raised millions of dollars for beneficial causes through his foundations, charity singles, and support of 39 charities (which is a guiness record).

What Guinness record did he set as far as philanthropy...I've never seen his name in the top 10.

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Sun Jun 28, 2009 6:03 pm

YeOldeStonecat wrote:What Guinness record did he set as far as philanthropy...I've never seen his name in the top 10.

the number of charities supported is the record.

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Sun Jun 28, 2009 6:06 pm

39? Who decided that set a record? I've overheard single meetings of a big foundation I take care of that approves donations for huge amounts of charities. I'd expect a Guinness worthy number to easily be in the hundreds ..if not thousands.

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Sun Jun 28, 2009 6:16 pm

YeOldeStonecat wrote:39? Who decided that set a record? I've overheard single meetings of a big foundation I take care of that approves donations for huge amounts of charities. I'd expect a Guinness worthy number to easily be in the hundreds ..if not thousands.

i heard it on a radio show that was talking about how everyone is bashing MJ and then they pointed out some of his achievements that people choose to "forget or plain not mention". whether that meant then or now i don't know, but nonetheless, at one point be it now or then he was more than giving.

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Tue Jun 30, 2009 3:03 pm

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/offbea ... clouds.cnn