My new 2nd Amendment Toy

Leatherneck · Post by **Leatherneck** » Sat Dec 27, 2008 4:59 pm

Since I was a Gunsmith in the Marines and carried, fixed, modified, built & fired them for a living, I just haven't had the motivation to own a tactical weapon since I retired. I kind of miss it now and you never know about the future of such things so I decided to buy me an AR15. Not from a top shelf Armory, but still pretty nice. Bushmaster XM-15E2S. Has an 11.5" barrel with a 5.5" flash suppressor to make it legal. I wanted the carrying handle and stock sights since I don't plan needing anything else ever. The only mod I might make is a rail on the top handguard with a laser pointer & possibly a light. Still debating if I want to put on the collapsible butt stock.

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Sat Dec 27, 2008 5:01 pm

your finger is on the trigger.

be safe.

Humboldt · Post by **Humboldt** » Sat Dec 27, 2008 5:13 pm

Damn.

Remind me to skip your house on my next egging spree.

Leatherneck · Post by **Leatherneck** » Sat Dec 27, 2008 5:14 pm

UOD wrote:your finger is on the trigger.

be safe.

If I blow a hole in that guitar I will be sick as it cost more than the rifle! Actually I haven't bought a box of rounds yet.

tHE_0ne · Post by **tHE_0ne** » Sat Dec 27, 2008 5:48 pm

why no smile? lol

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Sat Dec 27, 2008 6:07 pm

tHE_0ne wrote:why no smile? lol

Because hes sad, he has no bullets!

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Sat Dec 27, 2008 7:03 pm

Nice gun!

Please...don't join SP1!!!

Leatherneck · Post by **Leatherneck** » Sat Dec 27, 2008 7:05 pm

downhill wrote:Nice gun!

Please...don't join SP1!!!

Too funny! Unlike many of SP1, I have actually kicked some physical a$$ in my day!

morbidpete · Post by **morbidpete** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 12:19 am

UOD wrote:your finger is on the trigger.

be safe.

to funny first thing i noticed. never place your finger on the trigger till your ready to kill.
i dont know much about weapons. besides the shorter barrel. how is that different from an m-16? besides the semi vs burst or fully auto

Humboldt · Post by **Humboldt** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 12:32 am

Curious, why that over a shotgun, as far as home defense goes?

Bastid · Post by **Bastid** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 1:26 am

Index that finger soldier!

Nice weapon man!

Leatherneck · Post by **Leatherneck** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 7:23 am

Humboldt wrote:Curious, why that over a shotgun, as far as home defense goes?

Home defense? Not hardly. My Rotty is first line and after that I have a good 'ol trusty .38 special. It's locked up in an digital keypad pop up pistol safe. My wife and I have been to the local pistol range and are very familiar with it. Hard to beat a good revolver for a home gun. No magazines to wear out, no mechanisms to jamb and enough wallop for the average Joe.

The AR15 is sort of a pleasure for me as I kind of miss my weapons in the Corps. I plan on sighting it in, making sure it will shoot multiple rounds, cleaning it and putting it away. I believe there will come a day when we see another assault weapon ban and prices will once again soar.

Leatherneck · Post by **Leatherneck** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 7:39 am

morbidpete wrote:to funny first thing i noticed. never place your finger on the trigger till your ready to kill.
i dont know much about weapons. besides the shorter barrel. how is that different from an m-16? besides the semi vs burst or fully auto

At least you guys noticed the trigger finger! After all those years in the Corps I am pretty well versed in weapons security, but seeing as though I haven't even bought a box of rounds yet, I wasn't too worried about it.

It's not any different than an M16 at all. There are so many Armories putting out the ARs these days and many of them are really good rifles. A lot of them are MILSPEC with good chrome barrels,bolts and attention to detail. Quality varies as do prices. Mine is a mid-level Bushmaster with an 11.5" barrel with a 5.5" compensator to make the required 16" length. A 11.5" barrel would be a cool "entry" weapon, but their for law enforcement and military.

During the 10 year assault weapon ban, if you didn't a have a weapon made prior to the ban you were SOL in getting a new one with a flash suppressor, high capacity magazine and some other goodies. "Pre-Ban" weapons prices sky rocketed and some people paid 2-3 times what I did for the same style rifle. Bush let the ban run out in late 2004 and now you can buy nice stuff again. Those folks that paid through the nose during the ban are kind of sour, but still throw the term "Pre-ban" around because it sounds cool. You can however, modify a pre-ban assault weapon just about any way you want.

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 9:31 am

Fun guns...been about 20 years since I've had an AR-15 in my hands.

RoscoPColtrane · Post by **RoscoPColtrane** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 12:58 pm

Whats with the finger Marine?!

Cleared or not....

Nice rifle. I didn't do nearly as may years of service as you but every time i fire my AR15 it brings back some memories!

Mine is a 20 inch HBAR with removable carry handle (A3 civy version). Bushmaster as well.

Pick up some more mags while they are cheap!

EDIT: For what its worth, if that length of pull fits you then to heck with the calapsible stock. Just one more thing to break if/when the **** hits the fan.

Leatherneck · Post by **Leatherneck** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 1:58 pm

RoscoPColtrane wrote:Whats with the finger Marine?! Cleared or not....

Nice rifle. I didn't do nearly as may years of service as you but every time i fire my AR15 it brings back some memories!

Mine is a 20 inch HBAR with removable carry handle (A3 civy version). Bushmaster as well.

Pick up some more mags while they are cheap!

EDIT: For what its worth, if that length of pull fits you then to heck with the calapsible stock. Just one more thing to break if/when the **** hits the fan.

I had to go back and edit the specs. It's an 11.5" barrel with a 5.5" flash suppresor to make it legal. It's an HBAR also. I would have liked the flat top, but can't be picky for the price I got it for. I actually like the A2 buttstock and will leave it on. I don't plan on storming my kid's bedroom with it so I don't need it for entry!

Humboldt · Post by **Humboldt** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 2:13 pm

Ballpark $?

Leatherneck · Post by **Leatherneck** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 3:10 pm

humboldt wrote:ballpark $?

$700

Humboldt · Post by **Humboldt** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 3:12 pm

Leatherneck wrote:$700

damn that's cheap

Not that I've ever priced that kind of rifle but...damn that's cheap.

If you're looking at it as an investment...would you be able to give it up?

Leatherneck · Post by **Leatherneck** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 3:20 pm

Humboldt wrote:damn that's cheap

Not that I've ever priced that kind of rifle but...damn that's cheap.

If you're looking at it as an investment...would you be able to give it up?

During the ban, this could and would have cost double that. You can get some kits for that price, but most hover around $900 and up.

Humboldt · Post by **Humboldt** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 3:31 pm

Is it new?

Leatherneck · Post by **Leatherneck** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 3:39 pm

Humboldt wrote:Is it new?

It has had less than 50 rounds put through it since it was brand new. My Boss sold it to me as he has 3 more and they are pretty tricked out. One is a Pre-ban so he can do anything he wants to it like stubby barrels and such. He paid $800 for that stripped lower alone.

Humboldt · Post by **Humboldt** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 3:48 pm

Makes my rifles look a bit mundane

Leatherneck · Post by **Leatherneck** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 4:58 pm

Humboldt wrote:Makes my rifles look a bit mundane

Hey, a Klingon Disruptor Rifle is anything but mundane!

Humboldt · Post by **Humboldt** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 6:23 pm

Leatherneck wrote:Hey, a Klingon Disruptor Rifle is anything but mundane!

That sounds like one of Ken's high-end enema kits.

Just a Ruger 10 22 with checkered walnut stock. Completely stock, love that rifle

Also this http://www.remtek.com/arms/imi/timber/index.htm

Cause it's fun. Bought it the day we caught a guy on parole for armed robbery that was living in the woods a mile or so away looking through the bathroom window while my then girlfriend took a shower

RoscoPColtrane · Post by **RoscoPColtrane** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 7:56 am

Leatherneck wrote:During the ban, this could and would have cost double that. You can get some kits for that price, but most hover around $900 and up.

What a nice price considering the 'obama effect' on firearms. You can't TOUCH an AR around here for less than 1000 it seems.

Nice find!

EDIT: Before anyone goes crazy on the 'obama effect'. I want to clear up that it has nothing to do with him making changes (he doesn't have that power yet). Just that everyone is afraid of what he might do and it has driven the prices up.

Please don't turn this into me picking on Mr. Pres Elect Obama.

knightmare · Post by **knightmare** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 10:10 am

Pretty sweet, been wanting to get a handgun myself,

Taurus-- The Judge.. shoots either .410 shotgun shells or .45 caliber..., or you can alternate rounds in the chamber...

http://www.taurususa.com/products/produ ... y=revolver

Leatherneck · Post by **Leatherneck** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 7:28 pm

knightmare wrote:Pretty sweet, been wanting to get a handgun myself,

Taurus-- The Judge.. shoots either .410 shotgun shells or .45 caliber..., or you can alternate rounds in the chamber...

http://www.taurususa.com/products/produ ... y=revolver

Sounds like a cool revolver. The .410 would be a great close range anti-personnel weapon. Just make sure you are close enough as to not get any scatter on your freshly painted walls.

RoscoPColtrane · Post by **RoscoPColtrane** » Sun Jan 04, 2009 7:00 pm

From what ive read the "Judge" is an EXTREMLY up close and personal weapon. I understand that most self defense is within 7 yards or so, but i don't want to have to be THAT close! I'll stick with my mossberg!