Governor Paterson signs Indian Cigarette Tax Bill

Debbie · Post by **Debbie** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 4:59 pm

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/ ... 1982.story

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 6:31 pm

Did you hear about the new bill that he's passing tomorrow that will slap a tax on non diet soda? Ridiculous.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 6:44 pm

Sounds good to me, non diet soda tax does not though.

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 7:31 pm

I don't agree with any added tax or fee on any product such as these.. its not fair to other products..that includes advertising laws.

Debbie · Post by **Debbie** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:13 pm

JBrazen wrote:Did you hear about the new bill that he's passing tomorrow that will slap a tax on non diet soda? Ridiculous.

Yeah...what does he call it?...the obesity tax?

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:48 pm

Sava700 wrote:I don't agree with any added tax or fee on any product such as these.. its not fair to other products..that includes advertising laws.

And cutting them all out where would you add or raise a tax to make up the loss of money to the government?

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 11:07 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:And cutting them all out where would you add or raise a tax to make up the loss of money to the government?

That's easy. Labor.

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 8:30 am

YARDofSTUF wrote:And cutting them all out where would you add or raise a tax to make up the loss of money to the government?

Thats just it..you leave them alone cause its a product like any other..no different regardless of what it may cause. That goes for alcohol... to tax something someone enjoys is nothing different than taxing bubble gum over the normal sales tax. If someone wishes to kill themself with smoking then who am I to stand in their way.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 10:10 am

Sava700 wrote:Thats just it..you leave them alone cause its a product like any other..no different regardless of what it may cause. That goes for alcohol... to tax something someone enjoys is nothing different than taxing bubble gum over the normal sales tax. If someone wishes to kill themself with smoking then who am I to stand in their way.

Right but I'm saying that if you cut the extra tax out, how do you make that money up to the government, higher regular sales tax?

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 10:13 am

YARDofSTUF wrote:Right but I'm saying that if you cut the extra tax out, how do you make that money up to the government, higher regular sales tax?

You wouldn't.. see this is something that shouldn't have been done from the start or else its money that you never had to start with. But to really dig into the possible notion of where.. I guess you would have to just cut some unneeded things from the budget which are usually wasteful to begin with to offset the missing funds. I'm sure there is enough waste to do this.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 10:30 am

Sava700 wrote:You wouldn't.. see this is something that shouldn't have been done from the start or else its money that you never had to start with. But to really dig into the possible notion of where.. I guess you would have to just cut some unneeded things from the budget which are usually wasteful to begin with to offset the missing funds. I'm sure there is enough waste to do this.

Cut wasted spending? Now that really is a pipedream.

I would expect to see someone part the Red Sea before that.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 11:21 am

Debbie wrote:Yeah...what does he call it?...the obesity tax?

What's funny is that most diet sodas have that aspartame sugar replacement poison. Sure, you won't get fat on it, but your brain will bleed to death. This guy's a joke.

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 11:23 am

I don't mind "sin" taxes. It depends though.

I'd say that 4 bucks a pack on ciggs would be and should be normal.

Let the flaming begin.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 11:37 am

downhill wrote:I don't mind "sin" taxes. It depends though.

I'd say that 4 bucks a pack on ciggs would be and should be normal.

Let the flaming begin.

I used to smoke and I know that I wouldn't have cared what the taxes were, I would've paid anything to feed my addiction. I'm so glad that I'm over that nasty habit.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 11:47 am

downhill wrote:I don't mind "sin" taxes. It depends though.

I'm with ya.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:14 pm

The Gov. Patterson SNL skit from this weekend was awesome.

Debbie · Post by **Debbie** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 6:42 pm

downhill wrote:I don't mind "sin" taxes. It depends though.

I'd say that 4 bucks a pack on ciggs would be and should be normal.

Let the flaming begin.

$4 bucks??? In NYC, they are over $8 bucks a pack. The tax is $2.75 a pack. That is highway robbery!

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 7:27 pm

Depends on how you look at it, Debbie.

I was a smoker at one time myself.

Remember a while back, the law suit the tobacco compaies lost to the feds? They have to kick in so much money to all the states. Guess what? All them states use that money for whatever. IMHO, it should go to those with smoking cancers and emphysema. To help defray medical cost to both the states and medicare. That didn't happen.

Well the Surgeon General has determined since what? 1968 or so that smoking is hazardous to your health. I can see my parents generation and even those just a few years older than myself, having problems before official warnings were issued but IMHO, people my age and younger really don't have that to fall back on.

That tax should/would be used for smokers later years so that everyone else doens't have to pick up the medicare bill on those who smoke.

I have nothing against smokers by the way. Again, I used to be one. I just think that in this case, a sin tax is appropriate.

You must have one hell of a state or city tax on cigs for them to be that high!

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:12 am

Looks like New York now wants to tax you when you download iTunes songs

A budget plan by Gov. David Paterson that would plug budget shortfalls by slashing spending and raising taxes on items from sugary soft drinks to iTunes downloads is drawing criticism in New York.

New Yorkers would face tax hikes on beer, wine, non-diet soft drinks, and digital services like iTunes downloads. Cab fares would rise 4 percent while the cost of cable and satellite TV services, tickets for sporting events and movies would also jump by the same percentage.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/12/18/ ... index.html

States just need to understand that although they have budget problems they can't tax people to death to offset it when people don't have it!! They will need to stop waste spending and cut where they don't need things such as interstates mowed several times a year..who cares if the damn grass is 3feet tall on the side of the road..hell can't see it anyway for all the guard rails.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:19 am

Sava, I love how your ideas to cut spending always eliminate some workers. lol

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:24 am

YARDofSTUF wrote:Sava, I love how your ideas to cut spending always eliminate some workers. lol

I never said eliminate workers..I said cut waste. And if there are workers wasting state money then yes they should go. The drop of a few to save the money of the many far outweighs whats going on here. Main thing is I see no reason to raise taxes or even put taxes on stupid stuff like a itunes music file..I mean the RIAA would love it cause it will push people to find music illegally when they once paid for it so that would in turn give the RIAA more money to push these people up against a wall to force thousands out of their pockets to get them off their back.. wow does that go on and on and on.. endless cycle that will only get worse I'm afraid.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:27 am

Sava700 wrote:I never said eliminate workers..I said cut waste. And if there are workers wasting state money then yes they should go. The drop of a few to save the money of the many far outweighs whats going on here. Main thing is I see no reason to raise taxes or even put taxes on stupid stuff like a itunes music file..I mean the RIAA would love it cause it will push people to find music illegally when they once paid for it so that would in turn give the RIAA more money to push these people up against a wall to force thousands out of their pockets to get them off their back.. wow does that go on and on and on.. endless cycle that will only get worse I'm afraid.

Why cut workers jobs mowing the state property? they should wait till it gets way to high for the mower so we have to paid someone to spend 10x the amount of time cutting it one or twice a year with a weed whacker?

I'm sure if we were looking at the entire budget breakdown theres areas we could cut spending that dont affect people losing their jobs.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:34 am

He's worse than Bloomberg since the douche controls the entire state. At least Nanny State Bloomberg can only try and dictate what happens in NYC.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:35 am

JBrazen wrote:He's worse than Bloomberg since the douche controls the entire state. At least Nanny State Bloomberg can only try and dictate what happens in NYC.

Shut up and pay your fat tax! And don't be late theres late fee tax now too!

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 12:14 pm

I don't drink non diet soda anyway, so I'm not worried.

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 12:14 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:Why cut workers jobs mowing the state property? they should wait till it gets way to high for the mower so we have to paid someone to spend 10x the amount of time cutting it one or twice a year with a weed whacker?

I'm sure if we were looking at the entire budget breakdown theres areas we could cut spending that dont affect people losing their jobs.

well the mowing part was a example..but let it grow don't cut it at all

Will help cushion the impact to a vehicle that busts through the guard rails!

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 12:29 pm

Sava700 wrote:well the mowing part was a example..but let it grow don't cut it at all Will help cushion the impact to a vehicle that busts through the guard rails!

And stop people from spotting deer and other animals before they hit the road.

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 12:56 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:And stop people from spotting deer and other animals before they hit the road.

the grass might get thick enough to stop the deer from crossing to get food when they have all that nice tall grass to eat!

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 1:03 pm

Sava700 wrote:the grass might get thick enough to stop the deer from crossing to get food when they have all that nice tall grass to eat!

In bizarro world maybe.

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 1:09 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:In bizarro world maybe.

we are in bizarro world... you have guys able to buy tickets to a BCS football game for 1$ hello!! Welcome to Bizarro World!

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 1:14 pm

Sava700 wrote:we are in bizarro world... you have guys able to buy tickets to a BCS football game for 1$ hello!! Welcome to Bizarro World!

Nice try.

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 1:20 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:Nice try.

thanks!

De Plano · Post by **De Plano** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 4:19 pm

Sava700 wrote:
States just need to understand that although they have budget problems they can't tax people to death to offset it when people don't have it!! They will need to stop waste spending and cut where they don't need things such as interstates mowed several times a year..who cares if the damn grass is 3feet tall on the side of the road..hell can't see it anyway for all the guard rails.

I know it was just an example but I bet a part of the reason for mowing is fires. I bet it would cost more to fight one fire that got out of control than to mow all the medians and shoulders

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 4:38 pm

De Plano wrote:I know it was just an example but I bet a part of the reason for mowing is fires. I bet it would cost more to fight one fire that got out of control than to mow all the medians and shoulders

yeah prob.. most fires caused by cigs thrown out of cars which I'm sure they could profit more from tickets passed out to those that do that than trying to tax people for itunes music. Not to mention keep the roads cleaner.

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 4:48 pm

Sava700 wrote:I never said eliminate workers..I said cut waste. And if there are workers wasting state money then yes they should go. The drop of a few to save the money of the many far outweighs whats going on here. Main thing is I see no reason to raise taxes or even put taxes on stupid stuff like a itunes music file..I mean the RIAA would love it cause it will push people to find music illegally when they once paid for it so that would in turn give the RIAA more money to push these people up against a wall to force thousands out of their pockets to get them off their back.. wow does that go on and on and on.. endless cycle that will only get worse I'm afraid.

You do know that there is an Indian somewhere out there, who's just got his green card, and has a degree in IT who would work for minimum wage?

Keep sprouting the bottom line stuff as someday, it'll bite you right square in the arse.

jdmcrx · Post by **jdmcrx** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 4:28 pm

I am kind of interested in seeing how the extra tax on non-diet sodas is going to work out, seeing how is PepsiCo's main headquarters is located in NY. I could only imagine the kind of trouble they would cause for us and Pepsi if they did raise the tax. Could you imagine paying 1.99-2.29 for a 20oz? Good thing I still get them for .50 at the plant. Old boy would probally cause both of our company's 100s of 1000s of dollars by doing this. Don't be suprised if you find out if the guy wakes up with a horse head in his bed one morning.
matt

Humboldt · Post by **Humboldt** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 8:45 pm

jdmcrx wrote: Could you imagine paying 1.99-2.29 for a 20oz?

Given that they go for $2.49-$2.99 here, $1.99 doesn't sound that bad.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:18 pm

Humboldt wrote:Given that they go for $2.49-$2.99 here, $1.99 doesn't sound that bad.

Wow, the max I pay around here is $1.25 for a 20oz soda.