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http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008 ... rprobe.htm

NASA Plans to Visit the Sun
June 10, 2008: For more than 400 years, astronomers have studied the sun from afar. Now NASA has decided to go there.

"We are going to visit a living, breathing star for the first time," says program scientist Lika Guhathakurta of NASA Headquarters. "This is an unexplored region of the solar system and the possibilities for discovery are off the charts."

The name of the mission is Solar Probe+ (pronounced "Solar Probe plus"). It's a heat-resistant spacecraft designed to plunge deep into the sun's atmosphere where it can sample solar wind and magnetism first hand. Launch could happen as early as 2015. By the time the mission ends 7 years later, planners believe Solar Probe+ will solve two great mysteries of astrophysics and make many new discoveries along the way.
Here are some of the questions they want to answer:
Mystery #1—the corona: If you stuck a thermometer in the surface of the sun, it would read about 6000o C. Intuition says the temperature should drop as you back away; instead, it rises. The sun's outer atmosphere, the corona, registers more than a million degrees Celsius, hundreds of times hotter than the star below. This high temperature remains a mystery more than 60 years after it was first measured.

Mystery #2—the solar wind: The sun spews a hot, million mph wind of charged particles throughout the solar system. Planets, comets, asteroids—they all feel it. Curiously, there is no organized wind close to the sun's surface, yet out among the planets there blows a veritable gale. Somewhere in between, some unknown agent gives the solar wind its great velocity. The question is, what?

"To solve these mysteries, Solar Probe+ will actually enter the corona," says Guhathakurta. "That's where the action is."
Way cool mission, too bad it is so far away time wise :(
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Good luck with that. Honestly that sounds like the most impossible mission they have ever chose to take on.
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That's fascinating.....I believe someone brought it up in this thread here.
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Roody wrote:Good luck with that. Honestly that sounds like the most impossible mission they have ever chose to take on.
Not so impossible really, the heat shield will protect it long enough to take all the readings they need.

Check it out - http://solarprobe.gsfc.nasa.gov/solarpr ... ecraft.htm
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Izzo wrote:That's fascinating.....I believe someone brought it up in this thread here.

dude, you are like a little whiney azz girl who lost her dolly and will not stop crying untill she finds it.
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Gixxer wrote:dude, you are like a little whiney azz girl who lost her dolly and will not stop crying untill she finds it.
Are you trying to hurt my e-feelings?
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Izzo wrote:Are you trying to hurt my e-feelings?

not trying. stating the obvious. if the truth hurts it will take care of itself.
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Brent wrote:Not so impossible really, the heat shield will protect it long enough to take all the readings they need.

Check it out - http://solarprobe.gsfc.nasa.gov/solarpr ... ecraft.htm
Interesting. One question though. How exactly do you test for the heat they will deal with when we have nothing to compare it too? Or at least not that I know of.
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Gixxer wrote:not trying. stating the obvious. if the truth hurts it will take care of itself.
Wow, that's deep.
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Izzo wrote:Wow, that's deep.

deep enough
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ya i say it melts way before it gets close to the sun i bet we have no idea how hot the sun is
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And while we're taking a trip to the Sun, Brent will be visiting Uranus.
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Roody wrote:Interesting. One question though. How exactly do you test for the heat they will deal with when we have nothing to compare it too? Or at least not that I know of.
Well, i'm no scientist, but I would assume since they know how hot it is by the numbers, they can use numbers to determine what materials will be required to protect it considering the materials properties.
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horsemen_ wrote:ya i say it melts way before it gets close to the sun i bet we have no idea how hot the sun is
Well, they actually do know how hot it is, both in the corona, and on the surface.
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The Devil wrote:And while we're taking a trip to the Sun, Brent will be visiting Uranus.
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Brent wrote:Well, they actually do know how hot it is, both in the corona, and on the surface.
we think we know how hot is i bet we are way off on how hot it is

i bet its twice as hot as we think if not more. they have a guess at how hot it is but no way to prove it till you they go to the sun
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Well, they think the corona is 1-2 million degrees Celsius, and the surface is 6000c. The surface is actually cooler than the corona, it will be interesting to find out why.
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key words
Brent wrote:Well, they think the corona is 1-2 million degrees Celsius, and the surface is 6000c. .
and thats a big gap
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Maybe so, still, I think this mission is pretty cool. The probe will tell us a lot more about our Sun than we know now, that's for sure, I just hate having to wait.
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[singing]
The sun is a mass of incandescent gas
A gigantic nuclear furnace
Where hydrogen is built into helium
At a temperature of millions of degrees

Yo, ho, its hot, the sun is not
A place where we could live
But here on Earth there'd be no life
Without the light it gives

I remember that from elementary school! :D

Thanks for the info Brent!
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Glad someone appreciates the info, you are welcome, I think it is a pretty freakin awesome mission IMO :)
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It sounds like a good scientific experiment, to prove if the scientific method still works?
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What a collassal waste of time and money. First off what do we have, material wise, that could withstand the temps of the sun without burning up. Second the radiation from the sun will most likely block any transmissions back to the earth, so much for reporting the data. Third, this mission serves absolutely no purpose other than Nasa confiming or rejecting the current "guess". Other than the "what temp is it really" this mission is a waste time and money. Why dont we fly a probe to the asteriod belt and see if we "CAN" move it. That would be as productive.

I file it under "what difference does it make" and "how can we use this information to improve our way of life". The answers to both questions are mute. I cant imagine any benifit to knowing the actual temp of the sun. Our tax dollars hard at work. NASA spends way to much time in dreaming up these "missions" that in the long run are meaningless.

I wish to publicly call for the total de-funding of NASA and turn it over to the private sector. The X-Prize was proof of what the private sector can do. What will NASA's excuse be when a private company launches a suborbital flight with passengers and returns safely for a fraction of what we are being billed now.
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Good reading.
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Brent wrote:Glad someone appreciates the info, you are welcome, I think it is a pretty freakin awesome mission IMO :)
:nod: Keep us updated, Brent! :thumb:
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Well, I think it'll be easier if they go at night...
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Indy wrote:Well, I think it'll be easier if they go at night...
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Indy wrote:Well, I think it'll be easier if they go at night...
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BroncoSport wrote:What a collassal waste of time and money. First off what do we have, material wise, that could withstand the temps of the sun without burning up. Second the radiation from the sun will most likely block any transmissions back to the earth, so much for reporting the data. Third, this mission serves absolutely no purpose other than Nasa confiming or rejecting the current "guess". Other than the "what temp is it really" this mission is a waste time and money. Why dont we fly a probe to the asteriod belt and see if we "CAN" move it. That would be as productive.

I file it under "what difference does it make" and "how can we use this information to improve our way of life". The answers to both questions are mute. I cant imagine any benifit to knowing the actual temp of the sun. Our tax dollars hard at work. NASA spends way to much time in dreaming up these "missions" that in the long run are meaningless.

I wish to publicly call for the total de-funding of NASA and turn it over to the private sector. The X-Prize was proof of what the private sector can do. What will NASA's excuse be when a private company launches a suborbital flight with passengers and returns safely for a fraction of what we are being billed now.
Well...we're already moving backwards in the way of shuttle missions...going back to sending a reusable capsule into space...
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