California ban on same-sex marriage struck down

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Thu May 15, 2008 5:54 pm

Brent wrote:We cannot judge ones heart. However, when sin is seen and evident, we should not stand for and allow it to happen, there are many ways to battle it, including prayer.

Not everyone believes in religion, so not everyone believes in these "sins" those that do believe in them, well, they dont need to worry, this doesnt change the bible.

stevebakh · Post by **stevebakh** » Thu May 15, 2008 5:55 pm

Brent wrote:Tolerance is a very evil tool used by the devil

Religion is the excuse of the stupid. Get a clue Brent, seriously.

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Thu May 15, 2008 5:57 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:Not everyone believes in religion, so not everyone believes in these "sins" those that do believe in them, well, they dont need to worry, this doesnt change the bible.

Doesn't matter if they believe it or not, truth is truth.

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Thu May 15, 2008 5:58 pm

stevebakh wrote:Religion is the excuse of the stupid. Get a clue Brent, seriously.

That is a very ignorant response in itself, how ironic.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Thu May 15, 2008 5:59 pm

Brent wrote:The idea of toleration is a very bad idea, there are many things we are not to tolerate according to the Bible.

So then don't tolerate them, and then deal with being considered cruel or a criminal depending on your actions.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Thu May 15, 2008 6:00 pm

Brent wrote:Doesn't matter if they believe it or not, truth is truth.

same can be said for the other side, its not your job to "save" people that dont believe in your "hocus pocus"

brembo · Post by **brembo** » Thu May 15, 2008 6:02 pm

Brent wrote:Doesn't matter if they believe it or not, truth is truth.

Your FAITH in the bible is to be considered truth and hence made into law?

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Thu May 15, 2008 6:02 pm

brembo wrote:Your FAITH in the bible is to be considered truth and hence made into law?

The Bible IS the law

Joel · Post by **Joel** » Thu May 15, 2008 6:03 pm

stevebakh wrote:Religion is the excuse of the stupid. Get a clue Brent, seriously.

With all due respect, that is a very offensive statement sir. Whether you disagree or not, to call everyone who believes in religion (what is it, 83% of Americans believe in some religion or another?) does not bode well for your standing as a knowledgeable and respectful member.

I agree with Brent and respect him standing up to you all.

Debbie · Post by **Debbie** » Thu May 15, 2008 6:04 pm

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Thu May 15, 2008 6:04 pm

Joel wrote:With all due respect, that is a very offensive statement sir. Whether you disagree or not, to call everyone who believes in religion (what is it, 83% of Americans believe in some religion or another?) does not bode well for your standing as a knowledgeable and respectful member.

I agree with Brent and respect him standing up to you all.

Thank you, I know I could have probably worded stuff better.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Thu May 15, 2008 6:04 pm

Brent wrote:The Bible IS the law

No it isnt. You chose to obey the bible, theres no law saying we must.

brembo · Post by **brembo** » Thu May 15, 2008 6:05 pm

Brent wrote:The Bible IS the law

Who said? Who said that? Your chosen God? Well maybe that's not who/what I choose to worship, so where does that leave us?

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Thu May 15, 2008 6:05 pm

Debbie wrote:

You best stock up in bulk on those goodies!

Debbie · Post by **Debbie** » Thu May 15, 2008 6:07 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:You best stock up in bulk on those goodies!

Baby, there is plenty to go around.

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Thu May 15, 2008 6:08 pm

Brent wrote:That is a very ignorant response in itself, how ironic.

No it isn't.

frostybear · Post by **frostybear** » Thu May 15, 2008 6:08 pm

Dang guys...relax

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Thu May 15, 2008 6:08 pm

Brent wrote:The Bible IS the law

It's a cute little children's story.

frostybear · Post by **frostybear** » Thu May 15, 2008 6:08 pm

Debbie wrote:Baby, there is plenty to go around.

Share

Debbie · Post by **Debbie** » Thu May 15, 2008 6:09 pm

frostybear wrote:Dang guys...relax

Have some popcorn frosty.

This hasn't happened in a while. It was inevitable sooner or later.

stevebakh · Post by **stevebakh** » Thu May 15, 2008 6:19 pm

Joel wrote:With all due respect, that is a very offensive statement sir. Whether you disagree or not, to call everyone who believes in religion (what is it, 83% of Americans believe in some religion or another?) does not bode well for your standing as a knowledgeable and respectful member.

I agree with Brent and respect him standing up to you all.

To be frank, I couldn't care less how those people view me. Belief in such fairytales doesn't really speak volumes about their level of knowledge, logic or common-sense. The bible isn't the law, it's a joke. A complete work of a fiction. There's an explanation for everything, from the reasons women bear pain during childbirth, right through to different languages existing and how the population is spread across the world.

Humboldt · Post by **Humboldt** » Thu May 15, 2008 6:22 pm

Izzo wrote:It's a cute little children's story.

Humboldt · Post by **Humboldt** » Thu May 15, 2008 6:24 pm

Brent wrote:The idea of toleration is a very bad idea, there are many things we are not to tolerate according to the Bible.

That is why you *oh the horror* think for yourself.

For once.

Noevo · Post by **Noevo** » Thu May 15, 2008 6:25 pm

Brent wrote:The Bible IS the law

to you and yours, not mine.

But then again, I'm just a sinner so what do I know

brembo · Post by **brembo** » Thu May 15, 2008 6:27 pm

Noevo wrote:
But then again, I'm just a sinner so what do I know

How to have a good time! Praise Allah and pass the astroglide.

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Thu May 15, 2008 6:29 pm

stevebakh wrote:To be frank, I couldn't care less how those people view me. Belief in such fairytales doesn't really speak volumes about their level of knowledge, logic or common-sense. The bible isn't the law, it's a joke. A complete work of a fiction. There's an explanation for everything, from the reasons women bear pain during childbirth, right through to different languages existing and how the population is spread across the world.

If that is what you chose to believe, out of free will, after knowing all the facts, so be it. I am not your judge, but rest assured, there will be judgement in the afterlife, you can repent now and ask for forgiveness if you want, but once you are on the other side, it may be too late.

Now, as for me, I believe fully 100% that the Bible is the word of God, I believe it by faith, and I believe Jesus was the son of God and through him we will saved from our sins and born again into a new life, and through him we will know God.

I will not speak any further on the subject, so no need to argue with me, I've stated what I believe, and you have stated what you believe, so I think we both know where each other stands on the issues.

RoscoPColtrane · Post by **RoscoPColtrane** » Thu May 15, 2008 6:30 pm

That state is going to fall into the ocean.

Ban firearms, allow gay marriage....LMAO....pathetic.

Noevo · Post by **Noevo** » Thu May 15, 2008 6:31 pm

yes, intolerance and stale viewpoints vs. tolerance and understanding. bad bad tolerance and understanding. about some it up brent?

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Thu May 15, 2008 6:31 pm

Brent wrote:If that is what you chose to believe, out of free will, after knowing all the facts, so be it. I am not your judge, but rest assured, there will be judgement in the afterlife, you can repent now and ask for forgiveness if you want, but once you are on the other side, it may be too late.

Now, as for me, I believe fully 100% that the Bible is the word of God, I believe it by faith, and I believe Jesus was the son of God and through him we will saved from our sins and born again into a new life, and through him we will know God.

I will not speak any further on the subject, so no need to argue with me, I've stated what I believe, and you have stated what you believe, so I think we both know where each other stands on the issues.

Right, off to posting more cross-dressing, incestuous, "Hey!, I see my peen again" threads on other 'more christian' boards, eh?

Debbie · Post by **Debbie** » Thu May 15, 2008 6:32 pm

Izzo wrote:Right, off to posting more cross-dressing, incestuous, "Hey!, I see my peen again" threads on other 'more christian' boards, eh?

brembo · Post by **brembo** » Thu May 15, 2008 6:33 pm

Brent wrote:If that is what you chose to believe, out of free will, after knowing all the facts, so be it. I am not your judge, but rest assured, there will be judgement in the afterlife, you can repent now and ask for forgiveness if you want, but once you are on the other side, it may be too late.

Now, as for me, I believe fully 100% that the Bible is the word of God, I believe it by faith, and I believe Jesus was the son of God and through him we will saved from our sins and born again into a new life, and through him we will know God.

I will not speak any further on the subject, so no need to argue with me, I've stated what I believe, and you have stated what you believe, so I think we both know where each other stands on the issues.

Brent, the core matter at hand is not if your beliefs are correct or proper. The core matter is enforcing a law that stands only due to morality and is heavily tied to a religion is incredibly unfair to people that do not ascribe to that particualr religion. How do you address that?

frostybear · Post by **frostybear** » Thu May 15, 2008 6:33 pm

Debbie wrote:Have some popcorn frosty. This hasn't happened in a while. It was inevitable sooner or later.

Thanks

opcorn:

Joel · Post by **Joel** » Thu May 15, 2008 6:46 pm

brembo wrote:Brent, the core matter at hand is not if your beliefs are correct or proper. The core matter is enforcing a law that stands only due to morality and is heavily tied to a religion is incredibly unfair to people that do not ascribe to that particualr religion. How do you address that?

By all means I believe that those who do not agree with the Bible and Christianity should be treated just as fairly as those who do. As a matter of fact, the entire reason the Bible is around is to speak of a choice we must all make. You can choose to believe and you can choose not to, that is a choice that obviously you must make.

I think that same-sex marriage should be allowed, as much as I disagree with it, but I DO NOT think it should be called "marriage". I feel that advances on the sanctity of marriage and what it stands for: holy matrimony between a man and a woman. However, yes those who choose to get join in a same sex relationship should have the same legal benefits and whatever.

Noevo · Post by **Noevo** » Thu May 15, 2008 6:46 pm

brembo wrote:Brent, the core matter at hand is not if your beliefs are correct or proper. The core matter is enforcing a law that stands only due to morality and is heavily tied to a religion is incredibly unfair to people that do not ascribe to that particualr religion. How do you address that?

dude, trying to find logic where none exists.

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Thu May 15, 2008 6:49 pm

Noevo wrote:dude, trying to find logic where none exists.

logic has nothing to do with it, we can't understand Gods will and plan fully, but I have faith that he knows what he's doing, and has laid out the rules that he wants us to follow

Noevo · Post by **Noevo** » Thu May 15, 2008 6:56 pm

Brent wrote:logic has nothing to do with it, we can't understand Gods will and plan fully, but I have faith that he knows what he's doing, and has laid out the rules that he wants us to follow

And that's great! for you, but what a lot of people are saying is don't force your views on them. Allow them to make up their own minds the way you did.

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Thu May 15, 2008 6:57 pm

Brent wrote:logic has nothing to do with it ..... words

That's obvious!!!

brembo · Post by **brembo** » Thu May 15, 2008 6:58 pm

Brent wrote:logic has nothing to do with it, we can't understand Gods will and plan fully, but I have faith that he knows what he's doing, and has laid out the rules that he wants us to follow

So, your explanation to the non-christian folks as to why they can't get married is because YOUR God said it's bad.

Well, consider that THIER God might think space travel is the height of heresy. Consider that.

The solution in my mind is to keep religion out of laws. Laws are not a way to enforce morality. Would you not be livid if someone proposed a law that infringed upon your chosen religions tenents?

Noevo · Post by **Noevo** » Thu May 15, 2008 6:59 pm

Brents a landlord to religious types

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Thu May 15, 2008 7:00 pm

Izzo wrote:That's obvious!!!

your faith is in science, mine is in God, I tend to imagine God is bigger than science