Quick Thought - What are we turning into?

duhast · Post by **duhast** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 8:35 pm

If you don't believe in evolution at all, then don't read this. If you do, then what is going to happen to the species?

We, who stopped giving out 1st, 2nd, 3rd place to children because it might "make someone feel bad." We, who, in some places, stopped giving out grades because it isn't fair to "rate" children. We, who question standardized tests such as SAT, ACT, etc because "it's not fair to everyone." We, who allow the television to raise our young - and btw, have you seen what Disney feeds them? It's f*cking frightening. If you don't believe me, turn it on and check out the Doodlebops.

If you believe in Darwinism at all, we are completely undoing it all. We have encouraged the weak to stay weak, the dumb to stay dumb and to feel good about themselves in the process. Then, these people go on to breed - and these are the ones that breed in abundance. When & how did we become such pussies and what's going to happen for us being so?

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 8:47 pm

duhast wrote:If you don't believe in evolution at all, then don't read this. If you do, then what is going to happen to the species?

We, who stopped giving out 1st, 2nd, 3rd place to children because it might "make someone feel bad." We, who, in some places, stopped giving out grades because it isn't fair to "rate" children. We, who question standardized tests such as SAT, ACT, etc because "it's not fair to everyone." We, who allow the television to raise our young - and btw, have you seen what Disney feeds them? It's f*cking frightening. If you don't believe me, turn it on and check out the Doodlebops.

If you believe in Darwinism at all, we are completely undoing it all. We have encouraged the weak to stay weak, the dumb to stay dumb and to feel good about themselves in the process. Then, these people go on to breed - and these are the ones that breed in abundance. When & how did we become such pussies and what's going to happen for us being so?

QFT! I couldn't agree more ....

Rivas · Post by **Rivas** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:03 pm

duhast wrote:If you don't believe in evolution at all, then don't read this. If you do, then what is going to happen to the species?

We, who stopped giving out 1st, 2nd, 3rd place to children because it might "make someone feel bad." We, who, in some places, stopped giving out grades because it isn't fair to "rate" children. We, who question standardized tests such as SAT, ACT, etc because "it's not fair to everyone." We, who allow the television to raise our young - and btw, have you seen what Disney feeds them? It's f*cking frightening. If you don't believe me, turn it on and check out the Doodlebops.

If you believe in Darwinism at all, we are completely undoing it all. We have encouraged the weak to stay weak, the dumb to stay dumb and to feel good about themselves in the process. Then, these people go on to breed - and these are the ones that breed in abundance. When & how did we become such pussies and what's going to happen for us being so?

Well said ...

But keep in mind there are other networks not just north american network spreeding feed all over the world, you would be supriced if you seen eu programming.

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:05 pm

I agree, we have become way to PC for our own good, it is really going to mess us up.

Indy · Post by **Indy** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:14 pm

Time to cue up the movie 'Idiocracy.'

blacklab · Post by **blacklab** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:14 pm

duhast wrote:If you don't believe in evolution at all, then don't read this. If you do, then what is going to happen to the species?

If you believe in Darwinism at all, we are completely undoing it all. We have encouraged the weak to stay weak, the dumb to stay dumb and to feel good about themselves in the process. Then, these people go on to breed - and these are the ones that breed in abundance. When & how did we become such pussies and what's going to happen for us being so?

Don't think it has much to do with Darwinism. It is strictly nature. The strong should live to breed, the weak should die.

Unfortunately we have politicians who keep making laws to protect the weak, and a medical system that saves fare too many people who should be dyeing.

I just can't believe the stupidity of some of the people I run into each day.

No, you are not wrong, all we have to do is allow nature to have a little more control.
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downhill · Post by **downhill** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:57 pm

blacklab wrote:Don't think it has much to do with Darwinism. It is strictly nature. The strong should live to breed, the weak should die.

Unfortunately we have politicians who keep making laws to protect the weak, and a medical system that saves fare too many people who should be dyeing.

I just can't believe the stupidity of some of the people I run into each day.

No, you are not wrong, all we have to do is allow nature to have a little more control.
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By that post, blacklab, are you thinking that we shouldn't have found cures for smallpox or measles?

Penicillin? What say you?

I do belive that TV dumbs down society but imho, that's our own fault. We don't have to put up with that.

At some point..mother nature will take care of the whole thing. The strong and the weak.

We may even be the tool that does it.

David · Post by **David** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:06 pm

duhast wrote:If you don't believe in evolution at all, then don't read this. If you do, then what is going to happen to the species?

We, who stopped giving out 1st, 2nd, 3rd place to children because it might "make someone feel bad." We, who, in some places, stopped giving out grades because it isn't fair to "rate" children. We, who question standardized tests such as SAT, ACT, etc because "it's not fair to everyone." We, who allow the television to raise our young - and btw, have you seen what Disney feeds them? It's f*cking frightening. If you don't believe me, turn it on and check out the Doodlebops.

If you believe in Darwinism at all, we are completely undoing it all. We have encouraged the weak to stay weak, the dumb to stay dumb and to feel good about themselves in the process. Then, these people go on to breed - and these are the ones that breed in abundance. When & how did we become such pussies and what's going to happen for us being so?

You speak of the royal we?

MadDoctor · Post by **MadDoctor** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:07 pm

This will all be "fixed" when mankind masters DNA and genetic engineering.

*I will be the mold for the perfect "it"*

duhast · Post by **duhast** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:13 pm

David wrote:You speak of the royal we?

WE, I guess speaking of the United States in particular. For being such a blood-thirsty country, we're actually, as a whole, a bunch of pansies. Hopefully, the tide will turn.

So, I guess it will not affect humanity all that much as our country is just a small portion of the world's population.

Sterlin · Post by **Sterlin** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:20 pm

You're crazy if you think that nature isn't having it's nasty little way with us... one hiccup by this planet and we're toast...
Now, speaking specifically about our species of animal, it is true that we are running the thing into the ground.
On that note, we are also simply doing what any virulent species does, so I imagine that I will have to be happy with things... not having an option and all.

duhast · Post by **duhast** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:25 pm

Sterlin wrote:You're crazy if you think that nature isn't having it's nasty little way with us...

I never claimed to be sane. I do understand the Chaos Theory & Butterfly Effect and all that... I'm talking about what we've done to ourselves.

David · Post by **David** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 12:01 am

There are plenty of intelligent, thoughtful, innovative and ambitious people in the United States. Present Western culture has logarithmic growth in diversions, which opens new avenues of exploration and sloth. If there are flaws, they lie in habits and our desire to excuse bad behavior.

Indy · Post by **Indy** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 12:44 am

MadDoctor wrote:This will all be "fixed" when mankind masters DNA and genetic engineering.

*I will be the mold for the perfect "it"*

You, mold, somehow it all makes sense...I can see you coming from a petri dish...

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:08 am

Indy wrote:You, mold, somehow it all makes sense...I can see you coming from a petri dish...

Say now.....there's a visual.

blacklab · Post by **blacklab** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:08 am

downhill wrote:By that post, blacklab, are you thinking that we shouldn't have found cures for smallpox or measles?

Penicillin? What say you?

I do belive that TV dumbs down society but imho, that's our own fault. We don't have to put up with that.

At some point..mother nature will take care of the whole thing. The strong and the weak.

We may even be the tool that does it.

No, I have no problem with curing any of the diseases common to man, or helping people live a fuller life. People should be willing to participate in their good health though.

What I object to is the extra ordinary measure they do to keep premature babies alive when nature decided they should be aborted. Most of these kids grow up with many problems that become society's problem. Before anybody jumps on me telling me they know of kids who were premature and they grew up fine. It happens, but think about it objectively. Hundreds of thousands of dollars is spent on these kids when the money could be better spent on those who have already passed natures second test.

Another place there is unnecessary time and effort spent is on those who are ready to die. Believe it or not, some people believe there is something better after our time on earth, and who really knows for sure. Why do we spend so much time and effort on them. Let them go in peace.

Don't blame it on TV ether, there is a lot of educating things on TV, we chose what we watch. I suspect video games to be more a dummying down thing that TV.
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downhill · Post by **downhill** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:14 am

Wow..........so we should be the judge and jury of which premie gets to live and which doesn't.

I'd hate to be in the medical profession if that were ever come to be.

Not dissing you, bl. I just happen to have a different view point is all. Personally I dont' think we'll really evolve to something intelligent unless we figure out how to take care of "all" of us.

Can't disagee about the death part. Personally I think that's a decision that should be left up to the individual in most cases.

TV....yes there's some good shows on TV but really, do you think parents for the most part are insisting that their kids only watch educational TV? I tired with my kids to keep them more interested in such shows but turn your back for an instant and MTV would be on. I had it blocked for years only to find out that both my kids figured out how to unblock it whenever I wasn't around.

Maybe they picked that up by watching PBS. Who knows? lol

blacklab · Post by **blacklab** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:09 am

downhill wrote:Wow..........so we should be the judge and jury of which premie gets to live and which doesn't.

I'd hate to be in the medical profession if that were ever come to be.

In a word, yes. I know it is harsh, but too many doctors are trying to be heroes by pushing the envelope. Just because we have the technology, we don't always have to use it.

Not dissing you, bl. I just happen to have a different view point is all. Personally I dont' think we'll really evolve to something intelligent unless we figure out how to take care of "all" of us.

I have to agree with you on that one.

Can't disagee about the death part. Personally I think that's a decision that should be left up to the individual in most cases.

I use to feel that everybody should be saved, but after spending eight years on the local crises line I knew I should quit when I told a couple of suicide calls that it may be their best option.

TV....yes there's some good shows on TV but really, do you think parents for the most part are insisting that their kids only watch educational TV? I tired with my kids to keep them more interested in such shows but turn your back for an instant and MTV would be on. I had it blocked for years only to find out that both my kids figured out how to unblock it whenever I wasn't around.

Maybe they picked that up by watching PBS. Who knows? lol

I don't really know how to answer that one, but at least you try. Too many parents do nothing to bring their kids up with a sense of decency. The one thing you have to remember, you are the parent and your word should be final. You have to live with them, or they have to live with you.
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9mmprincess · Post by **9mmprincess** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:33 am

blacklab wrote:In a word, yes. I know it is harsh, but too many doctors are trying to be heroes by pushing the envelope. Just because we have the technology, we don't always have to use it.

I have to agree with you on that one.

I use to feel that everybody should be saved, but after spending eight years on the local crises line I knew I should quit when I told a couple of suicide calls that it may be their best option.

I don't really know how to answer that one, but at least you try. Too many parents do nothing to bring their kids up with a sense of decency. The one thing you have to remember, you are the parent and your word should be final. You have to live with them, or they have to live with you.
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are you serious?

blacklab · Post by **blacklab** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:48 am

9mmprincess wrote:are you serious?

Unfortunately yes.

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:49 am

blacklab. Doctors take an oath. They don't get to play G_d on the issue.

blacklab · Post by **blacklab** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 3:42 am

downhill wrote:blacklab. Doctors take an oath. They don't get to play G_d on the issue.

True, but they are human and oath or no oath, lots of them do things for their own purpose.

Kyle · Post by **Kyle** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 3:46 am

blacklab wrote:Don't think it has much to do with Darwinism. It is strictly nature. The strong should live to breed, the weak should die.

Unfortunately we have politicians who keep making laws to protect the weak, and a medical system that saves fare too many people who should be dyeing.

I just can't believe the stupidity of some of the people I run into each day.

No, you are not wrong, all we have to do is allow nature to have a little more control.
,

Don't worry, BL... Overpopulated species always have a way of balancing themselves out, even if it is slightly more catastrophic than more commonly occurring natural selection.

Humans, in particular, seem to enjoy killing each other in the greatest numbers possible.

One way or another, nature will balance itself.

duhast · Post by **duhast** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 12:46 pm

I agree with some of BLs points, but I cannot wrap my head around NOT doing everything you can to save a newborn, unless that child will have an absolutely miserable life with say - Tay-Sachs or something of that nature. In cases such as that, as hard as it would be (as a mother) to let my baby go, I would rather let it go peacefully and without pain than go through a short life full of excruciating pain.

I also agree that people who only have a life of pain and eventual death should be allowed to die. Why prolong the inevitable? We are going through a similar situation with my husband's grandmother. She is 89... she was strong as an ox and sharp as a whip until about 2 months ago. Then, something happened and she had a heart attack. Next thing you know, she's diagnosed with alzheimer's and parkinson's. She's miserable. She told us one night when we were visiting her when she was close to death - "let's wrap this thing up" She has a living will so they can't do anything like feeding tubes or bringing her back or anything like that, but they do have to keep her alive by any other means and they're doing that and every day she's degrading a little more. It is so sad. Her hands are curling up, she has severe edema in her legs, congestive heart failure and doesn't know where she is most of the time. Having watched Alzheimer's take my own grandmother over a course of about 10 years, I'm a firm believer in giving people the power to choose death while they're still coherent enough to do it.

Comtrad · Post by **Comtrad** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:10 pm

I don't think that we (humans in general) will exist long enough to see the effects of all the undoing.

knightmare · Post by **knightmare** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 9:51 am

We are turning into Reptilians.....fight it*

David · Post by **David** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:04 am

knightmare wrote:We are turning into Reptilians.....fight it*

You have a good point.

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:13 am

knightmare wrote:We are turning into Reptilians.....fight it*

just bought this book

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MadDoctor · Post by **MadDoctor** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:20 am

Izzo wrote:gateways will open into this world and reptilian invaders will not only enslave humanity but feast on their succulent souls

Perhaps you haven't met my first wife. Reptilian invaders are already here!!!!!!!!

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:26 am

MadDoctor wrote:Perhaps you haven't met my first wife. Reptilian invaders are already here!!!!!!!!

They're gonna make a movie out of it.......it reminded me of the TV mini-series 'V'

so I picked it up.

duhast · Post by **duhast** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:37 am

Izzo wrote:They're gonna make a movie out of it.......it reminded me of the TV mini-series 'V' so I picked it up.

We have that and also the short lived follow up TV show. We pull them out about once a year and watch them.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:44 am

I do think too much time/money is spent/wasted on ****ed up people.

64bit · Post by **64bit** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 12:53 pm

How can we undo evolution? It happens in spite of us not because of us. All those cliches about LL scores and TV are subjective human emotion.

Blisster · Post by **Blisster** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 1:20 pm

Indy wrote:Time to cue up the movie 'Idiocracy.'

the first 10 minutes of that movie were brilliant and oh so true.

Massa · Post by **Massa** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 1:55 pm

This whole argument really ties very little into true evolution or evolutionary biology (which has little to do with classic Darwinism anymore). Genetic drift among other factors is causing our species to evolve physically very slowly, and we're not sure where this is going. As to the social and political aspects of your question - if you look at the time frame where speciation, extinction and evolution occurs we're really not affecting our biological evolution beyond simply allowing less fit individuals to survive. This does not mean that they'll be around forever. Fitness isn't just being "smart, strong and beautiful", it's about having a trait that allows you to survive a disaster or stress of some sort, that trait could even be negative. So, what's my point in all of this? It's just as likely that the molly coddled obese stupid people in the world share some obscure gene that will allow them to live through a plague as it is that the strong beautiful smart ones will live. In the end it's probably going to be a mix of every type who survives whatever comes our way, because that's how evolution works. The strongest survive best, but there will always be a few weak ones who scrape by. All our current actions as a species are doing is setting up the catastrophe that will allow fitness to become a factor once more.