So WHEN do we finally start calling it a dictatorship?

Brk · Post by **Brk** » Wed May 23, 2007 1:59 am

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic ... E_ID=55825

Bush grants presidency extraordinary powers
Order for emergencies apparently gives authority without congressional oversight
Posted: May 23, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern

President Bush has signed an executive order granting extraordinary powers to the office of the president in the event of a declared national emergency, apparently without congressional approval or oversight.

The order was signed May 9 without any announcement, says Jerome R. Corsi in a WND column.

Titled, "National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive," it was issued with the dual designation of NSPD-51, as a National Security Presidential Directive, and HSPD-20, as a Homeland Security Presidential Directive.

The order establishes under the office of the president a new national continuity coordinator whose job is to make plans for "National Essential Functions" of all federal, state, local, territorial and tribal governments, as well as private sector organizations to continue functioning under the president's directives in the event of a national emergency.

"Catastrophic emergency" is loosely defined as "any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions."

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Corsi says the president can assume the power to direct any and all government and business activities until the emergency is declared over.

The executive order says the assistant to the president for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism, currently Frances Fragos Townsend, would be designated as the national continuity coordinator.

Corsi says the executive order makes no attempt to reconcile the powers created for the national continuity coordinator with the National Emergency Act, which requires that such proclamation "shall immediately be transmitted to the Congress and published in the Federal Register."

A Congressional Research Service study notes the National Emergency Act sets up Congress as a balance empowered to "modify, rescind, or render dormant" such emergency authority if Congress believes the president has acted inappropriately.

But the new executive order appears to supersede the National Emergency Act by creating the new position of national continuity coordinator without any specific act of Congress authorizing the position, Corsi says.

The order also makes no reference to Congress and its language appears to negate any a requirement that the president submit to Congress a determination that a national emergency exists.

It suggests instead that the powers of the executive order can be implemented without any congressional approval or oversight.

Homeland Security spokesman Russ Knocke affirmed to Corsi the Homeland Security Department would implement the requirements of the order under Townsend's direction.

The White House declined to comment on the order.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Wed May 23, 2007 2:07 am

When bush kills congress and over stays his term.

Rivas · Post by **Rivas** » Wed May 23, 2007 2:11 am

YARDofSTUF wrote:When bush kills congress and over stays his term.

To be honest I wouldnt be supriced ...

Xpunge · Post by **Xpunge** » Wed May 23, 2007 2:15 am

Call it a dictatorship when a future president suspends elections. This isn't for Bush, this is meant for a future president.

Burke, you know this is necessary for the coming end times/one world government. How else will a future pres. suppress a armed U.S. citizenry?

Chip by chip.....

Meggie · Post by **Meggie** » Wed May 23, 2007 2:57 am

yep, sounds like someone just opened the door to a possible dictatorship.. i think its funny that that was allowed to be passed. what happened to the whole checks and balances thing?

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Wed May 23, 2007 3:02 am

Meggie wrote:yep, sounds like someone just opened the door to a possible dictatorship.. i think its funny that that was allowed to be passed. what happened to the whole checks and balances thing?

Online banking, you dotn need to balance your check book anymore. Gives ya more time to pee microwaves.

Genesis · Post by **Genesis** » Wed May 23, 2007 3:22 am

YARDofSTUF wrote:Online banking, you dotn need to balance your check book anymore. Gives ya more time to pee microwaves.

Joel · Post by **Joel** » Wed May 23, 2007 3:22 am

YARDofSTUF wrote:Online banking, you dotn need to balance your check book anymore. Gives ya more time to pee microwaves.

Holy crap I never thought about it like that.

jeremyboycool · Post by **jeremyboycool** » Wed May 23, 2007 4:00 am

Have faith in America

Jamie_R · Post by **Jamie_R** » Wed May 23, 2007 5:58 am

jeremyboycool wrote:Have faith in America

I have plenty of faith in America ... I just don't trust the a55holes running it.

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Wed May 23, 2007 8:02 am

Xpunge wrote:Call it a dictatorship when a future president suspends elections. This isn't for Bush, this is meant for a future president.

Burke, you know this is necessary for the coming end times/one world government. How else will a future pres. suppress a armed U.S. citizenry?

Chip by chip.....

Bush did this so a future President could suspend elections?

Jamie_R · Post by **Jamie_R** » Wed May 23, 2007 8:15 am

downhill wrote:Bush did this so a future President could suspend elections?

I'm still not so sure Bush won't suspend elections ... I think I read somewhere about "war-time" powers that include suspension of presidential elections ...

those more "in the know" may be able to help me here ...

Kip Patterson · Post by **Kip Patterson** » Wed May 23, 2007 8:20 am

Here's the Wikipedia take on the subject:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuity ... tions_Plan

It's been around for a while. In the '80's when I was flying, I used to taxi out past the airborne commend post, called "Looking Glass", that was stationed at Rickenbacker Air Base. Pretty damn scary and eerie.

Probably less of a concern than the article indicates, but I don't mean that to take away from people's feelings. I am in no way a conspiracy theorist, but there is part of me that believes that given a Democratic presidential win next year we may have to forcibly remove Bush from the Presidency.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Wed May 23, 2007 8:22 am

downhill wrote:Bush did this so a future President could suspend elections?

You never heard of his brudda Jeb?

Jamie_R · Post by **Jamie_R** » Wed May 23, 2007 8:25 am

YARDofSTUF wrote:You never heard of his brudda Jeb?

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Wed May 23, 2007 8:59 am

Said it before and I will say it again. He is the worst President this country has ever had the unfortunate circumstance to lead this country.

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Wed May 23, 2007 9:04 am

why bother writing if you weren't going to use it?

you'd think if you had faith in the current system of government it really wouldn't be necessary with 'continuity in leadership' provisions already in place.....so much for his faith based BS i guess

MadDoctor · Post by **MadDoctor** » Wed May 23, 2007 9:23 am

First things first. Let Congress give Congress a raise. Amend the constitution to allow Arnold Schwarzenegger to run for president. Give in-place illegal aliens citizenship. Set the stage for the Devil to take the seat of President at next election so he/she can rule with unchallenged authority.

Get dirt on the Devil so you can control all things from your living room… while watching your stock go up.

*gets red coat cleaned and horns polished*

fastchevy · Post by **fastchevy** » Wed May 23, 2007 9:25 am

Jeez...

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Wed May 23, 2007 9:28 am

fastchevy wrote:Jeez...

If thats the best your gonna insult the people that you don't agree with then you just don't care enough about your country, and thats unamerican, so get out if you aint gonna hate on people!

fastchevy · Post by **fastchevy** » Wed May 23, 2007 9:39 am

YARDofSTUF wrote:If thats the best your gonna insult the people that you don't agree with then you just don't care enough about your country, and thats unamerican, so get out if you aint gonna hate on people!

Indy · Post by **Indy** » Wed May 23, 2007 9:49 am

MadDoctor · Post by **MadDoctor** » Wed May 23, 2007 10:28 am

A relative of mine (now a Navy Commander) use to fly the EP-3E ARIES II. He was overseeing the transition to the 747 but got his orders to Iraq next month. You need that combat/overseas ribbon to move up the chain.

I asked him to "name request" me to be his body guard. I've seen a lot of war movies so I'm pretty much qualified to do the job.

Joint Chiefs of Staff · Wed May 23, 2007 10:33 am

MadDoctor wrote:A relative of mine (now a Navy Commander) use to fly the EP-3E ARIES II. He was overseeing the transition to the 747 but got his orders to Iraq next month. You need that combat/overseas ribbon to move up the chain.

I asked him to "name request" me to be his body guard. I've seen a lot of war movies so I'm pretty much qualified to do the job.

You could be bunk buddies with bouncer.

Scary thought isn't it?

MadDoctor · Post by **MadDoctor** » Wed May 23, 2007 10:34 am

Joint Chiefs of Staff wrote:You could be bunk buddies with bouncer.

Scary thought isn't it?

Been there... done that.

Joint Chiefs of Staff · Wed May 23, 2007 10:36 am

MadDoctor wrote:Been there... done that.

SLUT!

MadDoctor · Post by **MadDoctor** » Wed May 23, 2007 10:43 am

Joint Chiefs of Staff wrote:SLUT!

Like you never took sloppy seconds.

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Wed May 23, 2007 10:49 am

I can't find info on this with cnn or cbsnews? I would thought if this was really important it would be on those two news sites for sure..

maybe to them it means nothing so lets go ahead and talka bout the guy with the bomb trying to blow up a dead falwell

Noevo · Post by **Noevo** » Wed May 23, 2007 11:09 am

Sava700 wrote:I can't find info on this with cnn or cbsnews? I would thought if this was really important it would be on those two news sites for sure..

maybe to them it means nothing so lets go ahead and talka bout the guy with the bomb trying to blow up a dead falwell

this is on the Whitehouse.gov website under the News section- it's what the article was referring to

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases ... 09-12.html

Looks like a disaster recovery plan to me.

MadDoctor · Post by **MadDoctor** » Wed May 23, 2007 11:15 am

Those FEMA guys had all the power in the world when it came to managing a disaster.

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Wed May 23, 2007 11:15 am

I love to play Civilization a lot, it starts off as a dictatorship, I like to discover and switch over to a Monarchy so I can get what I need to get done without my citizens complaining too much. I just make them happy by building temples, cathedrals and other wonders.

Noevo · Post by **Noevo** » Wed May 23, 2007 11:37 am

Brent wrote:I love to play Civilization a lot, it starts off as a dictatorship, I like to discover and switch over to a Monarchy so I can get what I need to get done without my citizens complaining too much. I just make them happy by building temples, cathedrals and other wonders.

yep build enough of those and you too can overthrow nearby lesser cultures

It's still hard to beat Civ3 for replayability IMHO!

Spammy · Post by **Spammy** » Wed May 23, 2007 11:39 am

Noevo · Post by **Noevo** » Wed May 23, 2007 11:46 am

Spammy · Post by **Spammy** » Wed May 23, 2007 11:47 am

Noevo wrote:

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Wed May 23, 2007 12:13 pm

Noevo wrote:yep build enough of those and you too can overthrow nearby lesser cultures

It's still hard to beat Civ3 for replayability IMHO!

I completely agree, I am addicted to Civ3, I just can't get into Civ4 for some reason, just isn't as fun to me as Civ3 is. I can play Civ3 for hours upon hours.

Think · Post by **Think** » Wed May 23, 2007 12:16 pm

If you have a few hours to kill, I would suggest a light read:

George Orwells Animal Farm.

For a heavier read - George Orwells 1984.

Bush is a an @ss.

and it amazes me how many Americans ( the minority ) still think like sheep.

MadDoctor · Post by **MadDoctor** » Wed May 23, 2007 12:40 pm

Think wrote:still think like sheep.

*Oh... he's talking about me!*

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Wed May 23, 2007 1:13 pm

Noevo wrote:this is on the Whitehouse.gov website under the News section- it's what the article was referring to

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases ... 09-12.html

Looks like a disaster recovery plan to me.

yeah after sitting here and reading the whole thing a few times thats all it appears to be... I see this as being effective to anyone in office from now throughout the future. Its very simple to understand once you read through the whole thing and put yourself in the middle of a major Catastrophic Emergency.

But again its politics and everyone has a opinion as does everyone have a privilage to vote....lets see what happens in 2008 shall we.

64bit · Post by **64bit** » Wed May 23, 2007 1:18 pm

Id have to say when your life is in jeopardy from making a post like this. Hell you could go to capital hill and scream your head off about Bush and everyone else up there. This is about as far from a dictatorship as you can get. Hyperbole is fun though.