So, girls kissing girls

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:45 pm

Blisster wrote:by whose standards is that not morally wrong? Does the school have a policy agains public displays of affection by anyone, or jsut against homosexual public displays of affection?

Standards of the Bible! Christian School, Bible, I believe that there's a correlation there, somewhere, but I could be wrong!

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:46 pm

Blisster wrote:jsut against homosexual public displays of affection?

Likely its that.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:47 pm

Augustus wrote:just homosexual...becuase you know that is so evil...but if these two girls got into a fist fight..they wouldnt be kicked out for violence i am sure...which is a lot worsst imo

You're comparing homosexuality to a fight? Dear Lord, you really do have no valid arguement in these threads....................

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:48 pm

Prey521 wrote:You're comparing homosexuality to a fight? Dear Lord, you really do have no valid arguement in these threads....................

as a parent violence and drugs concerns me a heck lot more...

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:48 pm

Augustus wrote:
i think blisster point which is mine..is that everyone sins..becuase no one perfect...right? that why you supposedly need jesus

So in going with your argument you believe that discipline should never occur or just never occur if you are a Christian?

Blisster · Post by **Blisster** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:49 pm

yeah because the bible is subject to interpretation, but only certain rules laid out should be followed, and only if a priest says that those are the ones, and then only if the school endorses it, and then of course only if it positively affects the church endorsing the rule, and then of course only if we deem it an important issue.

Blisster · Post by **Blisster** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:50 pm

Roody wrote:So in going with your argument you believe that discipline should never occur or just never occur if you are a Christian?

but expelling them from the school isn't disciplining them is it? It's copping out and making a political statement.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:51 pm

Blisster wrote:but expelling them from the school isn't disciplining them is it? It's copping out and making a political statement.

exactly

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:51 pm

Prey521 wrote:You're wasting your time!

You're right Prey.

CiscoKid · Post by **CiscoKid** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:52 pm

If religious groups are exemptfrom driscrimination laws, then why does the IRS allow for tax breaks for the clergy?

Blisster · Post by **Blisster** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:52 pm

let he who is without sin cast the first stone

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:54 pm

Blisster wrote:yeah because the bible is subject to interpretation, but only certain rules laid out should be followed, and only if a priest says that those are the ones, and then only if the school endorses it, and then of course only if it positively affects the church endorsing the rule, and then of course only if we deem it an important issue.

As a Christian, you take the Word of God and live according to it. Any man/organization that tells you to live your life contrary to what's in the Bible, is false and will be judged accordingly. It is up to the individual to interpret the Bible the way God wants us to, not to let someone else tell us what to take from it. Salvation is individual and on Judgement Day, telling the Almighty that so and so told me this, but I didn't know, well, that ain't gonna fly!

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:54 pm

CiscoKid wrote:If religious groups are exemptfrom driscrimination laws, then why does the IRS allow for tax breaks for the clergy?

beats me...havent figured that one out..but what else is new

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:55 pm

Augustus wrote:exactly

That didnt answer my question.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:56 pm

Blisster wrote:but expelling them from the school isn't disciplining them is it? It's copping out and making a political statement.

No, in your opinion that is what it's doing. You don't like their response so you think it's a political one, but in fact I think its safe to say that most of not all Christian schools are clear on this topic.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:56 pm

To be fair, we don't know the whole story, only that Brent said that they were kicked out. We don't know if this was something that was ongoing, if they were approached/counseled. Links?

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:56 pm

Blisster wrote:let he who is without sin cast the first stone

So as I was saying to Augustus and I will now ask of you your issue isnt with discipline, but with the fact that a Christian his disciplining?

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:57 pm

Prey521 wrote:As a Christian, you take the Word of God and live according to it. Any man/organization that tells you to live your life contrary to what's in the Bible, is false and will be judged accordingly. It is up to the individual to interpret the Bible the way God wants us to, not to let someone else tell us what to take from it. Salvation is individual and on Judgement Day, telling the Almighty that so and so told me this, but I didn't know, well, that ain't gonna fly!

which bible? several different pieces..if you look at the original torah..it says otherwise..and then of course you got the books that were removed purposely by the council

Blisster · Post by **Blisster** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:57 pm

well were they expelled for sinning, or for violating school policy?

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:58 pm

Augustus wrote:which bible? several different pieces..if you look at the original torah..it says otherwise..and then of course you got the books that were removed purposely by the council

I would think that a Christian would read the Christian bible, I think, not sure.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:00 pm

Blisster wrote:well were they expelled for sinning, or for violating school policy?

Thats a good question. Based on my own experiences in a christian school environment its probably for violating school policy and its school policy because Christians believe as God clearly expressed that homosexuality is a sin.

There is a difference between sinning and repenting and sinning and still living in sin.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:00 pm

Prey521 wrote:I would think that a Christian would read the Christian bible, I think, not sure.

really then why does Christian bible include the hebrew bible? why not just get rid of it..since dont follow anything anyway in there..except about homosexuality lol

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:01 pm

Augustus wrote:really then why does Christian bible include the hebrew bible? why not just get rid of it..since dont follow anything anyway in there..except about homosexuality lol

Right, because the 10 Commandments are not important to the life of a Christian!

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:02 pm

Roody wrote: You don't like their response so you think it's a political one

Ahh that was an inappropriate remark by me Blisster. I shouldn't have put words in your mouth. My apologies for doing that.

Ken · Post by **Ken** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:02 pm

You guys sure do like to get carried away with things...

Have any of you guys seen the "contract" that was "signed", by the parents and/or legal guardians, as a part of the "enrollment" of a "private" school? I didn't think so...

Keep in mind that you are also talking about "minors". (That is "children" less than 18 years of age, for the "know it alls"...)

I do realize that many of you feel that 14-16 year olds are grown and capable of making decisions in their best interest, ...fortunately the law limits that ability to those >18 years old...

Some of the analogies in this thread are making me

...

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:02 pm

Prey521 wrote:Right, because the 10 Commandments are not important to the life of a Christian!

umm a lot more then 10 commandments in the hebrew bible...

Blisster · Post by **Blisster** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:03 pm

Roody wrote:So as I was saying to Augustus and I will now ask of you your issue isnt with discipline, but with the fact that a Christian his disciplining?

no not at all, this argument has gotten twisted way off subject.
My problem would be with the explsion of students for personal beliefs/preferences or gender/orientation. If public display of affection is a clear violation of school policy then yes, the expulsion is valid. If it is NOT howver a clear violation of school policy then no, I do not think that it is valid.
I can open my own school and declare "No n!ggers or spics allowed" if I want, and no one can stop me. But if I am tax exempt and/or collecting state or federal benefits as an educational institution then I'm betting that my above-stated policy would not fly.
Discrimintation is discrimination regardless of wheter it's based on social class, race, ethnicity or sexual preference, period.

So again I say, if public displays of affection are clearly against school policy then yes, disciplinary action may be administered.

Blisster · Post by **Blisster** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:05 pm

no worries roody, we're cool

knightmare · Post by **knightmare** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:05 pm

Augustus wrote:which bible? several different pieces..if you look at the original torah..it says otherwise..and then of course you got the books that were removed purposely by the council

there are over 600 versions of the Bible.... and you are correct the RCC, and King James both purposedly left out important books, scrolls, scriptures.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:05 pm

Augustus wrote:umm a lot more then 10 commandments in the hebrew bible...

I was making a point, since you said that the only thing that we adhere to is the homo thing. It is obvious that you know nothing about Christianity if you think that there isn't a need for the Old Testament in our lives.

Ken · Post by **Ken** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:05 pm

Just what exactly does the Bible have to do with a private contract?

knightmare · Post by **knightmare** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:06 pm

Prey521 wrote:I would think that a Christian would read the Christian bible, I think, not sure.

Which Bible do you use Prey?

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:07 pm

knightmare wrote:Which Bible do you use Prey?

Depends, I have several:

KJ
NKJ
NIV

Ken · Post by **Ken** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:26 pm

Brent wrote:why is this happening so much these days with teens?

I saw on the news that a Private Christian School was hosting a slumber party kinda thing, a bunch of girls and all. And two of the girls in the party were kissing each other. The School has kicked them out, and now the parents are suing.

Another point to ponder...

Apparently, this was a "school sponsored" activity, so...how many parents would sue if "no" disciplinary action was taken... I have no doubt that a standard of behavioral acceptance was implied during enrollment... ]

You guys do keep me laughing, thanks!

Kyle · Post by **Kyle** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:28 pm

My god, 8 pages already... *Unsubscribes*

IBL...

Scott · Post by **Scott** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:28 pm

Ken wrote:Another point to ponder...

Apparently, this was a "school sponsored" activity, so...how many parents would sue if "no" disciplinary action was taken... I have no doubt that a standard of behavioral acceptance was implied during enrollment... ]

You guys do keep me laughing, thanks!

It is funny, isn't it?

Mactron · Post by **Mactron** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:28 pm

Ken wrote: According to Clinton, oral sex isn't sex, so should cunnilingus be permitted at school activities, as well? [/stirring pot and ]

Vote for best post in thread ! LMAO

De Plano · Post by **De Plano** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:33 pm

Prey521 wrote:I was making a point, since you said that the only thing that we adhere to is the homo thing. It is obvious that you know nothing about Christianity if you think that there isn't a need for the Old Testament in our lives.

Trust me I am sorry to get wrapped up in this aspect of the discussion, but...

Thous shall not steal- how many programs and songs do you have on your computer that you did not pay for?

Meanwhile homosexuality is not one of the commandments

What did Jesus himself say about homosexuality?

About time to bring this out again
Dear Dr. Laura,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.

a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an Abomination (Lev 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

g) Lev 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev 19:27. How should they die?

i) I know from Lev 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev 24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your devoted disciple and adoring fan

And Ken, stop trying to bring common sense into an emotional and religous debate. Meddler

Well actually on second thought I am going to bow out of this thread. If you want to point out I am hypocritical Prey, your probably right. Otherwise nothing in this argument is really going to be new since we have argued it numerous times before.

To me it all comes down to contracts and reimbursements.

cyberskye · Post by **cyberskye** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:34 pm

CiscoKid wrote:It's discrimination based sexual orientation, which violates most state and federal law. I as a real estate agent CAN NOT refuse to list a home because the client is gay, not can I refuse to submit an offer to a client based the the buyer being gay.

So if I can not do, what gives a church that right?

Actually, CA is one of the few states that has laws specifically against discrimination based on sexual orientation. Most states do not. This couldn't happen in CA...

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:37 pm

LMAO! I had thousands of dollars of warez prior to my HD crash! That's not something that's a big secret around here, I was into warez BIGTIME!!!

If your point is that I sinned, then yes, I did AND do sin. Even Christians sins, but luckily we serve a merciful God