Illegal immigration

G-IcE · Post by **G-IcE** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 4:55 pm

Our governor is pushing for stricter laws,about time?

Zerohero · Post by **Zerohero** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 4:57 pm

I don't really care about them comming over, I just think it sucks when my parents have to pay for all their benifites "college" etc etc, while they struggle to pay for mine :-/

wee96 · Post by **wee96** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 5:04 pm

Its no better than allowing drugs, or theft. Whats illegal is illegal, and should be dealt with within the law, not passed off as something you dont care about.

DaddyLongLeg · Post by **DaddyLongLeg** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 5:05 pm

wee96 wrote:Its no better than allowing drugs, or theft. Whats illegal is illegal, and should be dealt with within the law, not passed off as something you dont care about.

Very good point, I'd have to agree with you on this

Zerohero · Post by **Zerohero** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 5:07 pm

wee96 wrote:Its no better than allowing drugs, or theft. Whats illegal is illegal, and should be dealt with within the law, not passed off as something you dont care about.

I never said it I didn't think it was illegal, I just stated what bothers me the most. I agree with it, cause I couldn't just roll up in japan without my papers either...

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 5:07 pm

I say if they're illegal, then kick them out.

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 5:15 pm

Good for T-Paw.....I hadn't read that yet. Give them the boot and tell them to come in properly.

wee96 · Post by **wee96** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 5:20 pm

Its pretty simple, most of them will argue its too hard to get in legally. If you cant get in legally, you dont belong here. We dont have to break our laws to allow you to come into our country because you were born in another one, thats not our fault. Deal with YOUR country and its problems and instead of fleeing why not try to fix it? Im not referring to anyone in here im speaking that generally at an illegal who thinks they can justify it.

Zerohero · Post by **Zerohero** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 5:21 pm

Since they are already in progress of building a fence around the border...

In the future,

I expect turret guns around all borders of the USA. By then, everyone should have microscopic ID's inserted into the arm, or leg. The turret gun will scan you, and if it doesn't register US citizenship, you have 60 sec to run at least a quater mile away from the fence.

G-IcE · Post by **G-IcE** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 5:22 pm

In england, police can stop drivers and ask for legal documentation.

RoscoPColtrane · Post by **RoscoPColtrane** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 5:48 pm

They need to punish them for what they are doing. Not just deport them. If you want to become and American then you need to do it legally, and for god's sake learn and speak english!!!

I live pretty close to the mexican boarder and i can tell you that this place is becoming an extension of mexico. if they hated their country so much as to leave then why the heck do they try to turn "their" new home into mexico?

I have NO problem with making your life better, just do it legally and accept that YOU came to a new country not the other way around, conform to the way we do things.....

zooner · Post by **zooner** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 5:49 pm

it's all about the money folks!

my opinion?

no longer make citizenship automatic if you're born in the US.
utilize work permits to collect taxes on the illegals.

Zerohero · Post by **Zerohero** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 5:51 pm

RoscoPColtrane wrote:They need to punish them for what they are doing. Not just deport them. If you want to become and American then you need to do it legally, and for god's sake learn and speak english!!!

I live pretty close to the mexican boarder and i can tell you that this place is becoming an extension of mexico. if they hated their country so much as to leave then why the heck do they try to turn "their" new home into mexico?

I have NO problem with making your life better, just do it legally and accept that YOU came to a new country not the other way around, conform to the way we do things.....

yea, I live closer than you... try McAllen. I don't understand how they hate this country, yet come here, then rep their country like they never left it.

Forgetful · Post by **Forgetful** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 5:55 pm

G-IcE wrote:In england, police can stop drivers and ask for legal documentation.

Sorry that's incorrect. When stopped you need have no documentation but receive what is called a "produce". You have 7 days to produce a valid driving license and insurance certificate within 7 days at the police station of your chioce nationwide. This of course just applies to "ordinary" motoring stuff. Anything more serious suspected and they can arrest you anyways but you are under no obligation to carry documents on your person or in the car.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 5:57 pm

Forgetful wrote:Sorry that's incorrect. When stopped you need have no documentation but receive what is called a "produce". You have 7 days to produce a valid driving license and insurance certificate within 7 days at the police station of your chioce nationwide. This of course just applies to "ordinary" motoring stuff. Anything more serious suspected and they can arrest you anyways but you are under no obligation to carry documents on your person or in the car.

In recent news there is a bill to be passed in England allowing what he said, it was posted before.

G-IcE · Post by **G-IcE** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 5:59 pm

Forgetful wrote:Sorry that's incorrect. When stopped you need have no documentation but receive what is called a "produce". You have 7 days to produce a valid driving license and insurance certificate within 7 days at the police station of your chioce nationwide. This of course just applies to "ordinary" motoring stuff. Anything more serious suspected and they can arrest you anyways but you are under no obligation to carry documents on your person or in the car.

Sorry,need to get my facts straight

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 6:11 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:In recent news there is a bill to be passed in England allowing what he said, it was posted before.

You mean this one

https://www.speedguide.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=191701

Dan · Post by **Dan** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 6:12 pm

I say kill ALL the lawyers!

(oh,sorry,wrong thread)

Forgetful · Post by **Forgetful** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 6:14 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:In recent news there is a bill to be passed in England allowing what he said, it was posted before.

Yes i've seen that but it focuses mainly on the powers of detention and arrest. They've always had the power to arrest of course but i think the main problem with this is the amount of time you can be kept without charge although admittedly i haven't gone too deeply into it.
They are hoping we soon will all have to carry some form of ID card but so far that's a long, or maybe not so long, time off. They've already admitted that having ID's wouldn't have stopped any of the London bombings.

Forgetful · Post by **Forgetful** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 6:15 pm

G-IcE wrote:Sorry,need to get my facts straight

No need to apologise.

Jamie_R · Post by **Jamie_R** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 8:18 pm

shoot 'em on sight.

and btw - there should be a sign at the border that says:

If You Don't Speak English, Stay The F**K Out !!

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 8:23 pm

If I had my choice..I would much rather see illegal immigrants that are hard working and law abiding, that are productive and take some of their money and recirculate it back into the local communities, then see Multibillion $ companies like Dell, Microsoft, and many of the others outsource jobs from Americans and send the work over to foreign countries like India, pakistan, china and the Phillipines. Now that IS something you guys should worry about because the illegal immigrants are obnly taking jobs here that most americans don't want, but the Outsourcing is taking away jobs that Americans DO WANT. Now thats something that should make you feel threataned and not the matter of someone not being able to speak english here or taking menial labor jobs away. Jobs you normally wouldn't even consider taking.

Pie

RoscoPColtrane · Post by **RoscoPColtrane** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 10:04 pm

Jamie_R wrote:shoot 'em on sight.

and btw - there should be a sign at the border that says:

If You Don't Speak English, Stay The F**K Out !!

Armed guards on our boarders, first shot when they are wading across needs to be a few yards ahead of them. They WILL turn around, if you they don't pop them in the leg, guaratee they will turn then......

If you see someone limping across the river put one in their chest....they didn't get the point the first time!

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 12:00 am

RoscoPColtrane wrote:Armed guards on our boarders, first shot when they are wading across needs to be a few yards ahead of them. They WILL turn around, if you they don't pop them in the leg, guaratee they will turn then......

If you see someone limping across the river put one in their chest....they didn't get the point the first time!

Hey the way things are going nowadays..we may just see armed guards one day on our borders...maybe to keep people inside too.

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 12:03 am

Kick em outta this country, they do not deserve to be or work here illegally.

purecomedy · Post by **purecomedy** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 12:06 am

I don't like free rides either. What gets me is that people always make it sound like it is so hard to get into U.S./Canada and that the requirements are high. Many immigrants I see make me wonder about the requirements yet many very motivated and skilled immigrants are being turned away. Sometimes I swear if an immigrant has a degree they can get into the country easily, but the government does no check to see if they ever intend to learn English to be able to work here. It is nice for compassion to be a reason for immigration, but lets face it, the primary reason is for economic growth. There is an inherent expectation that immigrants work.

I've actually heard in Canada that the government is actively trying to bring over rich old people so that when they die they get a sweet cut of their fortune via the death tax. I think the idea is to find people that will not end up on welfare, however remember my comment about economic growth and working being the primary reason....

What would you do if you met a really really really hot chick, got along really well, and then months/years down the road when things are really serious (eg. thinking of getting engaged) you find out they are an illegal immigrant. Would you feel that person doesn't have real feelings and only wants to marry you to get into the country. How can you really ever tell when feelings are genuine?

RoscoPColtrane · Post by **RoscoPColtrane** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 12:15 am

thepieman wrote:Hey the way things are going nowadays..we may just see armed guards one day on our borders...maybe to keep people inside too.

Why leave?!

A_old · Post by **A_old** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 12:22 am

my thought on this is MAKE IT LEGAL..but, like everything else limit the number of ppl to a much smaller number, background scans etc..i.e. make ppl actually go thru immigration..if ur here thru the right channels, cool..u work, u pay taxes and all is well..ur here improperly, go back to ur country.

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 1:52 am

purecomedy wrote:I don't like free rides either. What gets me is that people always make it sound like it is so hard to get into U.S./Canada and that the requirements are high. Many immigrants I see make me wonder about the requirements yet many very motivated and skilled immigrants are being turned away. Sometimes I swear if an immigrant has a degree they can get into the country easily, but the government does no check to see if they ever intend to learn English to be able to work here. It is nice for compassion to be a reason for immigration, but lets face it, the primary reason is for economic growth. There is an inherent expectation that immigrants work.

Depending on the country of Origin and the circumstance it is VERY hard to come to the USA from many countries. We have certain numbers that are allowed per year from each country. Since 9-11 maybe even stricter now since its no longer under the Immigration and Naturalization Service (Formerly I.N.S.), it is done by the Dept. Of Homeland Security.
Most of the immigrants you do probably see have had their relatives sponsor them, are here on Student Visa's, may have paid to be married, may have paid to become indentured workers who pay a fee to a person who gets them here under a Sponsored Employee program and must work for 2+ years as cheap labor to their sponsor or risk getting kicked back to their country. Even if someone wants to come here under a Visitors visa must have a letter of support from the person being visited that they can financially support the person for the time they are here. If you are from a third world country like Jamaica, Dominican Republic,or Mexico you can almost forget about coming here legally.

If we actually stopped illegal immigration and American workers took their places, we would all be complaining about the high prices of Orange Juice, Tomatoes, Wine and any other places where cheap labor is involved in the pricing of a product. You may just regret getting what you ask for in the end.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 5:34 am

thepieman wrote:If I had my choice..I would much rather see illegal immigrants that are hard working and law abiding, that are productive and take some of their money and recirculate it back into the local communities, then see Multibillion $ companies like Dell, Microsoft, and many of the others outsource jobs from Americans and send the work over to foreign countries like India, pakistan, china and the Phillipines. Now that IS something you guys should worry about because the illegal immigrants are obnly taking jobs here that most americans don't want, but the Outsourcing is taking away jobs that Americans DO WANT. Now thats something that should make you feel threataned and not the matter of someone not being able to speak english here or taking menial labor jobs away. Jobs you normally wouldn't even consider taking.

Pie

I am with Pie, he is right on the money. though i think they should make it easier for the immigrants to become legal so they can help pay their fiar way of taxes

loop2kil · Post by **loop2kil** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 7:52 am

The Rich (who actually run our country) will not ever allow our borders to close. They make too much money off having illegals work for their companies. They also sucker alot of us in by claiming their products are 'made in the USA' and we feel better about buying that product.

If someone in political power is claiming to fix this, they are just trying to get elected again

Jamie_R · Post by **Jamie_R** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 8:42 am

loop2kil wrote:The Rich (who actually run our country) will not ever allow our borders to close. They make too much money off having illegals work for their companies. They also sucker alot of us in by claiming their products are 'made in the USA' and we feel better about buying that product.

If someone in political power is claiming to fix this, they are just trying to get elected again

QFMFT

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 8:55 am

thepieman wrote:
If we actually stopped illegal immigration and American workers took their places, we would all be complaining about the high prices of Orange Juice, Tomatoes, Wine and any other places where cheap labor is involved in the pricing of a product. You may just regret getting what you ask for in the end.

Here is a good article from the independent newspaper I read that actually goes into details of what you mention good read for everyone:

http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1641

Probably the number one misconception about immigration is that it harms our economy. In reality, conservative estimates put the net gain to the U.S. economy from current immigration at about $20 billion. Instead of recognizing this overall gain, immigration critics typically claim that immigrants take away American jobs, depress wages and drain our tax dollars by consuming social services.

A fundamental truth about our economy is that as long as we desire more goods and services than we have, the number of jobs is practically unlimited. In fact, when we have more workers, we create more jobs. Total employment and the size of the labor force have tracked each other fairly closely over the past 50 years despite dramatic changes in immigration flows.

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Click on link to read more

G-IcE · Post by **G-IcE** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 10:13 am

A lot of protests/demonstrations are been planned around the country starting this weekend.Seems it's more profound and widespread than people thought.

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 10:23 am

G-IcE wrote:A lot of protests/demonstrations are been planned around the country starting this weekend.Seems it's more profound and widespread than people thought.

You and I live here in Minny ...you know just as well as I do that when they (immigrants) aren't working the fields in the summer they're living off welfare/public assistance in the winter. I've done enough de-tasseling of corn/pulling rocks from fields in the summers when I was younger to know that there are oodles of illegals in this state.....and I'm not just talking about those friggin' Canadians

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