cable or dsl

speed _demon · Post by **speed _demon** » Sat Mar 17, 2001 11:49 pm

I curently have dsl 768/768 more like 550/550, I will be getting Road Runner Cable on the 20th of this month 5 days after talking to them, now that was fast, will try it out for a month, my experience with dsl has been real good except the price, what do you guys prefer dsl or cable and what do you think of both, RR says they will gve me 2mb download and 300k upload, cya.

Bombay Viking · Post by **Bombay Viking** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 12:03 am

It is good that you prefered cable for internet.
The advantages I see is the difference in speed compared to ADSL.
But there are a little limitations to Cable too. The whole cable bandwidth is shared among the users in your area.
Dont mind me, becuz even at itz worst speed itz still faster than a normal DSL service.
Now a dayz, when more and more people go for people and the demand goes on increasing, it might affect the whole service a little bit.
Hopefully the Cable providers will put some improvements in their services too.
Good luck with Cable

tomsykes · Post by **tomsykes** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 12:51 am

DSL bandwidth is shared among users in your area as well, as the DSL line is only dedicated back to your local phone exchange (central office). From here to the internet, there is some sort of ATM trunk used.

Regards
Tom Sykes
RequestDSL, Australia
tsykes@requestdsl.com.au

indy · Post by **indy** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 1:05 am

I just wonder who has more problems cable or dsl ?

bkuhl · Post by **bkuhl** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 1:25 am

Who has more troubles depends on your provider. Here in NJ, we have Bell Atlantic as the phone company and they have done an abysmal job with their DSL service. The speed is capped at 640/90.
Our cable company is Cablevision (Optimum Online) and they are the exact opposite. They do not cap the down speed (I have gotten over 700k/sec on dls) and their upstream cap is 1 mb. They do a very good job of making sure the nodes don't get overloaded and that they have ample bandwidth to their backbone provider.
I have heard horror stories about @Home. They cap the up speed at about 1/10th what I have (with OOL) and they overload the nodes so much that downstream bandwidth suffers dramatically. Road Runner seems to be somewhere in between from what I have read. They caps are similar to Optimum Online's but their service & support isn't on the same level.
All in all, I think you will be better off with cable. You will certainly see better speeds.

the_mp3_refuge · Post by **the_mp3_refuge** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 1:26 am

Umm, they both have theif fair share of outages. From what i've seen at www.dslreports.com people who get RR have sucky speeds, and some have GREAT speeds. It all depends on ur local cable provider. Peace

glc1 · Post by **glc1** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 1:26 am

Originally posted by speed _demon:
I curently have dsl 768/768 more like 550/550

Who's your provider?

Originally posted by indy:
I just wonder who has more problems cable or dsl ?

It depends on your area and provider.

g-c0de · Post by **g-c0de** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 2:22 am

all i can say is @home really sucks in my area and in many places as well

g-c0de · Post by **g-c0de** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 2:24 am

hey BKuhl, what part of Jersey are you from?, and is optimum online service available in Jersey City? and how much a month does it cost?, im kind of tired of @home so im thinking of switching services

TeenInternetAddict · Post by **TeenInternetAddict** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 2:33 am

From Megapath.net:

** Speed 3816(down)/617(up) kbps **
(At least 76 times faster than a 56k modem)
Logging result
Finish.

From Linkline.com:

** Speed 2072(down)/642(up) kbps **
(At least 41 times faster than a 56k modem)
Logging result
Finish.

From Nac.net:

** Speed 3656(down)/562(up) kbps **
(At least 73 times faster than a 56k modem)
Logging result
Finish.

These speed tests was taken at dslreports, which is accurate to me. Ok, I choose cable over dsl, because of the speeds I'm getting on Roadrunner. DSL, at least SWBELL DSL, can't beat RR speeds, if you want to go ahead and spend $185 for 6 mbps dsl. And some of us can't afford 6 Mbps dsl, so that's why we get cable.

I worked hard to achieve these speeds, and I'm sure when 3am comes, it will be more faster than anything. I also went to regedit.com, and tried their unix Tcip tweak for Win9x, it may have boost my speeds up some. Also I tried higher rwin numbers from speedguide's old website, and find one that worked, and finally shutted off PMTUDiscovery.

Websites load faster now for me! I don't care about running servers, because if I want to, I'd wait until something better come to town that has faster upload speeds to allow web hosting, like SDSL, a cheap T1 or T3, or something.

Helen, a very happy RR customer

dbnukes · Post by **dbnukes** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 2:35 am

O.K. this is the deal..I had cable with charter clogline. When I first got it, it was great and then the service started to suck. They capped me big time!! Anyhow, I got Bellsouth DSL and with a few speed tweaks on the registry, I couldn't fathom surfing the net without it!! Bellsouth here by me has no bandwith issues or problems and I always get great speeds! My preference is DSL and I will never go back to cable unless they increased the D/L speed to 2-3MB and the upload speed to 1-2Mb just like some of you lucky farts out there are getting!!

glc1 · Post by **glc1** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 2:48 am

Originally posted by TeenInternetAddict:
Ok, I choose cable over dsl, because of the speeds I'm getting on Roadrunner.

I wish it was that simple for me. After having connectivity problems (routing and/or sync) w/ three DSL providers (Orconet via PacBell, Telocity via North Point, and Earthlink via Covad) and after two go arounds w/ AT&T@Home (on the second now), which is extremely fast when it works (2-5mbps down/500kbps-1.1mbps up), I'm getting a business SDSL connection (from Megapath), which is five times the amount and many, many times slower than my AT&T@Home (when it rarely works). Also, it's slower than two of the three DSL services that I've had. BTW, Megapath will be my 5th ISP in the last two and a half years. Plus, as I mentioned above, I'm on my second bout, so to speak, w/ AT&T.

Originally posted by TeenInternetAddict:
a cheap T1 or T3

No such thing.
T1 = $700+
T3 = $20,000+

[ 03-18-2001: Message edited by: glc1 ]

bkuhl · Post by **bkuhl** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 3:05 am

G-Code, I'm from Bergen county. I believe in Jersey City they have Comcast cable. They are a member of the @Home alliance, so your stuck with what they offer

g-c0de · Post by **g-c0de** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 3:17 am

ohh man, thanks anyway

HalfLifer · Post by **HalfLifer** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 10:52 am

Comcast @home isnt bad.
Its been REALLY good to me.

Megapath Test (And Im in Michigan)
Test running..........
** Speed 5138(down)/1020(up) kbps **
(At least 102 times faster than a 56k modem)
Finish.

speed _demon · Post by **speed _demon** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 10:53 am

My isp is InternetConnect bandwidth through Covad, I hope for the best with the cable only $39 a month, my DSL runs me $79 kinda steep but had no other choice till now, never want to go back to 56k, cya.

Aaladar · Post by **Aaladar** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 1:30 pm

I love my Roadrunner up here in Chaska, MN.

This is what I got from DSL Reports speedtest:
Test running.....
** Speed 1837(down)/365(up)
(At least 36 times faster than a 56k modem)
Finish.
My caps are 2000/386 so I'm very happy.

Here's a ping and tracert:

Pinging www.speedguide.net [216.167.23.73] with 1 bytes of data:

Reply from 216.167.23.73: bytes=1 time=68ms TTL=241

Reply from 216.167.23.73: bytes=1 time=55ms TTL=241

Reply from 216.167.23.73: bytes=1 time=69ms TTL=241

Reply from 216.167.23.73: bytes=1 time=69ms TTL=241

Ping statistics for 216.167.23.73:

Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),

Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:

Minimum = 55ms, Maximum = 69ms, Average = 65ms

Tracing route to www.speedguide.net [216.167.23.73]

over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 13 ms 55 ms 14 ms 10.74.88.1

2 14 ms 13 ms 14 ms msp-hub3-ubr-a-pos-1-0.mn.rr.com [24.26.161.81]

3 14 ms <10 ms 14 ms 24.26.161.86

4 13 ms 14 ms 14 ms msp-hub1-gsr-a-pos1-1.mn.rr.com [24.26.161.9]

5 14 ms 14 ms <10 ms msp-mhe-gsr-a-pos5-0.mn.mediaone.net [24.26.161.65]

6 14 ms 14 ms 27 ms 24.218.190.110

7 27 ms 41 ms 28 ms 24.218.190.114

8 55 ms 55 ms 68 ms 24.218.190.30

9 178 ms 234 ms 206 ms ccbrt01-ccbgsr01.rr.com [24.128.191.13]

10 96 ms 55 ms 110 ms aads.verio.net [206.220.243.34]

11 96 ms 82 ms 69 ms p1-1-0.r00.mclnva02.us.bb.verio.net [129.250.4.17]

12 96 ms 82 ms 55 ms p4-2-1-0.r01.mclnva02.us.bb.verio.net [129.250.2.250]

13 68 ms 69 ms 69 ms p4-9-0.alx1.dn.net [129.250.17.58]

14 82 ms 137 ms 69 ms ge0031.ed1.wdc.dn.net [216.167.88.116]

15 82 ms 110 ms 69 ms 216.167.23.73

Trace complete.

speed _demon · Post by **speed _demon** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 2:12 pm

I have dsl and these are my reading when pinging www.speedguide.net

Packets: Sent= 4 Received=4 Lost=4 (0% loss).
Approximate roundtrip time in milli-seconds:
Minimum= 22ms Maximum= 24ms Average 22ms

I guess this is good for 550/550 dsl I ordered 768/768, I will be getting cable on tuesday it's cheaper like half the price I hope to get close to the service I get now, cya.

tomsykes · Post by **tomsykes** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 2:28 pm

Tracing route to www.speedguide.net [216.167.23.73]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms fa2-0.external-gw.cybernet.asn.au [192.168.0.254]
2 10 ms 20 ms 20 ms BNG-144-132-80-1.vic.bigpond.net.au [144.132.80.1]
3 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms gigabit-msfc1.vic-remote.bigpond.net.au [61.9.129.4]
4 10 ms 20 ms 10 ms 202.12.157.7
5 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms GigabitEthernet4-0-0.lon5.Melbourne.telstra.net[139.130.49.33]
6 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms GigabitEthernet3-0.lon-core3.Melbourne.telstra.net [139.130.239.246]
7 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms GigabitEthernet2-0.exi-core1.Melbourne.telstra.net [203.50.6.154]
8 10 ms 30 ms 30 ms Pos6-0.chw-core2.Sydney.telstra.net [203.50.6.17]
9 10 ms 20 ms 30 ms GigabitEthernet3-1.pad-core3.Sydney.telstra.net[203.50.6.202]
10 * * * Request timed out.
11 191 ms 190 ms 190 ms fe0.pao0.verio.net [198.32.176.47]
12 281 ms 280 ms 271 ms p4-0-2.r00.mclnva02.us.bb.verio.net [129.250.2.246]
13 281 ms 280 ms 280 ms p4-2-1-0.r01.mclnva02.us.bb.verio.net [129.250.2.250]
14 270 ms 281 ms 280 ms p4-9-0.alx1.dn.net [129.250.17.58]
15 281 ms 270 ms 291 ms ge0031.ed1.wdc.dn.net [216.167.88.116]
16 281 ms 280 ms 280 ms 216.167.23.73

Damn windows2k keeps rounding the trip times to 10ms... I *really* need a local mirror of SpeedGuide.net :-(

Tom Sykes
RequestDSL, Australia
tsykes@requestdsl.com.au

glc1 · Post by **glc1** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 6:48 pm

Originally posted by speed _demon:
I will be getting cable on tuesday it's cheaper like half the price I hope to get close to the service I get now, cya.

What are the caps of the cable service?

bkuhl · Post by **bkuhl** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 7:34 pm

G-Code, I'm from Bergen county. I believe in Jersey City they have Comcast cable. They are a member of the @Home alliance, so your stuck with what they offer

g-c0de · Post by **g-c0de** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 7:54 pm

damn, @home capped the speeds in my area, because of my friends, they ran a webserver, and @home sent them a letter that they were hogging up all the bandwidth because the site kept on getting soo many hits, it looks like im stuck with this capped cable

Cyke · Post by **Cyke** » Mon Mar 19, 2001 12:40 am

I like my cable.... When its not doing this:

** Speed 63(down)/93(up) kbps **
About modem speed!

or this:

Pinging www.snv.yahoo.com [204.71.200.74] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 204.71.200.74: bytes=32 time=376ms TTL=239
Reply from 204.71.200.74: bytes=32 time=414ms TTL=239
Reply from 204.71.200.74: bytes=32 time=434ms TTL=239
Reply from 204.71.200.74: bytes=32 time=441ms TTL=239

speed _demon · Post by **speed _demon** » Mon Mar 19, 2001 9:09 pm

tommorow is the day, I will give you my results with cable, cya.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Mon Mar 19, 2001 10:34 pm

Originally posted by BKuhl:
G-Code, I'm from Bergen county. I believe in Jersey City they have Comcast cable. They are a member of the @Home alliance, so your stuck with what they offer

A friend of mines in Edison has Comcast and it totally sucked for him.

RR kicks here NYC, great speeds and great Customer Service.

speed _demon · Post by **speed _demon** » Wed Mar 21, 2001 4:39 pm

I got my road runner cable yesterday, these are the results after a few speed tests 1950kbps(down)/290kbps(upload), the service says 2mb down 300k up, called and got rid of my dsl service even though it was slower in the download speed it was faster on the upload speed and in games I had lower and more steady pings with dsl, but it's still fast with cable and it's half the price, the dsl service was 768/768 but I got more like 550/550, at the moment I am happy with the cable, I just hope it doesn't regress with more people signing up, cya.