WTF is going on in Paris?

De Plano · Post by **De Plano** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 5:31 pm

Sarahnn wrote:Your statement must really go over big with people like baghdaddy. LOL

I'm relieved that I have never respected your opinion and now it is clear why.

Your statements must go over big with Muslims.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 5:33 pm

De Plano wrote:Your statements must go over big with Muslims.

I take it that she doesn't care what they think LOL

De Plano · Post by **De Plano** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 5:40 pm

Yep

You can't take a crap in someones coffee and then complain when you get pee in your soup

Sarahnn · Post by **Sarahnn** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 5:52 pm

De Plano wrote:Your statements must go over big with Muslims.

What do you care how anyones statment's go over with Muslims? All I care about is supporting our efforts in Iraq, and last time I looked we were helping a Muslim Nation out from under oppression. And we can thank people like Baghdaddy and others.

Sarahnn · Post by **Sarahnn** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 5:55 pm

Prey521 wrote:I take it that she doesn't care what they think LOL

I don't. Ain't been a Muslim yet who's walked up to me and asked what I thought either. LOL You got a problem with that?

Spammy · Post by **Spammy** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 5:56 pm

De Plano wrote:Yep

You can't take a crap in someones coffee and then complain when you get pee in your soup

Classic

De Plano · Post by **De Plano** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 6:09 pm

Your helping how? By furthuring the idea this a religous war? THat the soldiers are over there fighting Muslims because it is a religon of hate? That helps garner support for the U.S. in any Muslim country having people talk about that.

Seems that would hurt the U.S. soldiers efforts

Sarahnn · Post by **Sarahnn** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 6:41 pm

De Plano wrote:Your helping how?

I didn't say I was helping anything. I said: " we were helping a Muslim Nation out from under oppression". And we are. 77% of Iraqi's at the polls risking their lives for free elections. Those are Muslims too. So, I think that's good.

By furthuring the idea this a religous war?

I have no idea what you are talking about. Iraq? Terrorism? Afghanistan? what? What is a religious war?

THat the soldiers are over there fighting Muslims because it is a religon of hate?

They aren't fighting Muslims, they are helping Muslims to establish a Country with free elections and freedom from fear of being massacred for opposing Saddam.

That helps garner support for the U.S. in any Muslim country having people talk about that.

Yeah, get the wax out of your ears. Cause I ain't heard nobody talkin like that on this board.

Seems that would hurt the U.S. soldiers efforts

No, dissing the U.S. efforts in Iraq now is like tripping a soldier as he fights for the Iraqi people. I abhor it.

Look again at what I said. No sense in arguing with something that's a figment of your imagination.

What do you care how anyones statment's go over with Muslims? All I care about is supporting our efforts in Iraq, and last time I looked we were helping a Muslim Nation out from under oppression. And we can thank people like Baghdaddy and others.

cyberskye · Post by **cyberskye** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 7:08 pm

De Plano wrote:Your helping how? By furthuring the idea this a religous war? THat the soldiers are over there fighting Muslims because it is a religon of hate? That helps garner support for the U.S. in any Muslim country having people talk about that.

Seems that would hurt the U.S. soldiers efforts

After re-reading this thread, I really think she has no idea how she sounds to anyone that doesn't share her extremist views.

It's this sort of attitude/tone that makes us look like occupiers and not liberators...not that she cares, I'm sure.

De Plano · Post by **De Plano** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 7:12 pm

The bottom line is this.....please do not look right in my eyes and say to me...
"True Islam is a religion of peace". Okay? That's simply a crock no matter why they are rioting in France!!!!

What do you care how anyones statment's go over with Muslims? All I care about is supporting our efforts in Iraq, and last time I looked we were helping a Muslim Nation out from under oppression. And we can thank people like Baghdaddy and others.

Why don't you get your life in order before you tell the rest of us religious types what would make this world better. Just go six months without a whine and maybe I'll listen to yer views on religion.

OK, I guess I made a leap from insulting someone elses relgion and saying you don't care what they think of being insulted as being anti-muslim.

Sarahnn · Post by **Sarahnn** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 7:20 pm

De Plano wrote:The bottom line is this.....please do not look right in my eyes and say to me...
"True Islam is a religion of peace". Okay? That's simply a crock no matter why they are rioting in France!!!!

What do you care how anyones statment's go over with Muslims? All I care about is supporting our efforts in Iraq, and last time I looked we were helping a Muslim Nation out from under oppression. And we can thank people like Baghdaddy and others.

Why don't you get your life in order before you tell the rest of us religious types what would make this world better. Just go six months without a whine and maybe I'll listen to yer views on religion.

OK, I guess I made a leap from insulting someone elses relgion and saying you don't care what they think of being insulted as being anti-muslim.

Hey De Plano....I could dig up yer posts and do the same thing to you. There is not a goddam thing wrong with anything I said. If you don't like it, don't read my posts.

Nite

Sarahnn · Post by **Sarahnn** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 7:23 pm

cyberskye wrote:

After re-reading this thread, I really think she has no idea how she sounds to anyone that doesn't share her extremist views.

It's this sort of attitude/tone that makes us look like occupiers and not liberators...not that she cares, I'm sure.

Islam has serious cultural problems that has costs many lives in the past few decades.

If you want to say it's my fault, go for it. But, what you may wish to do is bone up on Middle East History before you do. I have nothing against the average religious person no matter what the religion. But, Islam is not the religion of peace no matter how you cut it. Either prove otherwise or get off my back, Saint cyberskye. LOL

cyberskye · Post by **cyberskye** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 7:59 pm

Sarahnn wrote:Islam has serious cultural problems that has costs many lives in the past few decades.

If you want to say it's my fault, go for it. But, what you may wish to do is bone up on Middle East History before you do. I have nothing against the average religious person no matter what the religion. But, Islam is not the religion of peace no matter how you cut it. Either prove otherwise or get off my back, Saint cyberskye. LOL

Are we speaking the same language?!

I used to think this was an act with you...

You are speaking in arrogant, ignorant, racist generalities...and are asking me to prove you wrong? Can't be done. I am curious as to whether you read this somewhere or make it up as you go along.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 8:24 pm

Sarahnn wrote:I don't. Ain't been a Muslim yet who's walked up to me and asked what I thought either. LOL You got a problem with that?

Nope, I don't have a problem with that at all

Spammy · Post by **Spammy** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 8:25 pm

We should all jump her for having a opinion

cyberskye · Post by **cyberskye** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 9:11 pm

Spammy wrote:We should all jump her for having a opinion

Opinion is one thing. Stating them as facts is another. Opinions can't be proven or disproven.

You Christian war-monger, you

David · Post by **David** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 9:16 pm

Sarahnn wrote:Islam has serious cultural problems that has costs many lives in the past few decades.

If you want to say it's my fault, go for it. But, what you may wish to do is bone up on Middle East History before you do. I have nothing against the average religious person no matter what the religion. But, Islam is not the religion of peace no matter how you cut it. Either prove otherwise or get off my back, Saint cyberskye. LOL

Islam has no cultural problems, the peoples of the North Africa to Near East expanse do have them. Why do you suppose that is the case? Is it their religion or colonialization? Is it their laws or Western countries muddling their affairs? It is their prayers or the general poverty?

How easy it is to blame any faith rather than the flawed humans who cannot properly subscribe to it.

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 10:51 pm

cyberskye wrote:

It's this sort of attitude/tone that makes us look like occupiers and not liberators...not that she cares, I'm sure.

Well even the pres has said it himself...we are Occupiers. There was never any liberation from the get-go. As much as Im not into Michael Moore the statement was made and you can see it in his movie with a video snippet.
As far as the soldiers go..right now Im in support of the Soldiers staying alive and getting their asses home safe and sound and not staying there for another day...I support them 100%. If wishing for them to stay in a place where they shouldn't be, is supporting them, then I don't know what to say.

Sarahnn · Post by **Sarahnn** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:01 pm

cyberskye wrote:Are we speaking the same language?!

I used to think this was an act with you...

You are speaking in arrogant, ignorant, racist generalities...and are asking me to prove you wrong? Can't be done. I am curious as to whether you read this somewhere or make it up as you go along.

Who are you to judge me? I am a pretty decent person; but I'm not going to bow you your judgement of me.

Islam, to my way of thinking is not a "religion of peace" as they tout themselves to be. Sorry if that ruins your day, but it does not make me a bad person.

Now go wash your hands and quit judging others.

Sarahnn · Post by **Sarahnn** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:06 pm

Hell_Yes wrote:Islam has no cultural problems, the peoples of the North Africa to Near East expanse do have them. Why do you suppose that is the case? Is it their religion or colonialization? Is it their laws or Western countries muddling their affairs? It is their prayers or the general poverty?

How easy it is to blame any faith rather than the flawed humans who cannot properly subscribe to it.

Prolly sounded like I was, but I'm not blaming Islam for the disruptions in France. I have a more complex view of the situation than I appear to have here.

And of course, you make perfect sense in what you say. In an indirect way, however, I am discouraged that the problem is with Muslims. I will be watching these events with great interest.

Spammy · Post by **Spammy** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:06 pm

cyberskye wrote:Opinion is one thing. Stating them as facts is another. Opinions can't be proven or disproven.

You Christian war-monger, you

Ahahahah
Nice.

Sarahnn · Post by **Sarahnn** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:08 pm

cyberskye wrote:Opinion is one thing. Stating them as facts is another. Opinions can't be proven or disproven.

You Christian war-monger, you

Sarahnn · Post by **Sarahnn** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:11 pm

Prey521 wrote:Nope, I don't have a problem with that at all

Then cool. soup 4 U.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:22 pm

Sarahnn wrote:What do you care how anyones statment's go over with Muslims? All I care about is supporting our efforts in Iraq, and last time I looked we were helping a Muslim Nation out from under oppression. And we can thank people like Baghdaddy and others.

Since when do you care about Muslims? You care so much you want to liberate them? We were suppose to be there for WMD?

Make up your mind which is it? Do you care or not care?

Sarahnn wrote:Who are you to judge me? I am a pretty decent person]

You might want to try taking your own advice sometime. Though I doubt you ever will.

Spammy · Post by **Spammy** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:23 pm

Augustus wrote:Since when do you care about Muslims? You care so much you want to liberate them? We were suppose to be there for WMD?

Make up your mind which is it? Do you care or not care?

Someone needs a hug.

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:24 pm

Sarahnn wrote:

Islam, to my way of thinking is not a "religion of peace" as they tout themselves to be. Sorry if that ruins your day, but it does not make me a bad person.

Now go wash your hands and quit judging others.

I'm still trying to figure out how you can speak for all Muslims?

I'm of the Christian faith and I certainly can't speak for all Christians. I have no idea how I could speak for a single Muslim.

I also disagree with your philosophy about Muslims. My own personal view of all this is it's fundamentalism. What difference if it's Christian or Muslim? Fundamentalism still dangerous.

A very good friend of mine, once PM'd me with this thought....

Fundamentalism will be the death of us all.

UOD is right.

David · Post by **David** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:36 pm

fun·da·men·tal·ism n.

1. A usually religious movement or point of view characterized by a return to fundamental principles, by rigid adherence to those principles, and often by intolerance of other views and opposition to secularism.
2.
1. often Fundamentalism An organized, militant Evangelical movement originating in the United States in the late 19th and early 20th century in opposition to Protestant Liberalism and secularism, insisting on the inerrancy of Scripture.
2. Adherence to the theology of this movement.

n : the interpretation of every word in the sacred texts as literal truth.

bonehead wrote:I do not see anything about violence..... Let us try....

mil·i·tant adj.

1. Fighting or warring.
2. Having a combative character]Hmmmmm.... Now that looks proper.[/quote]

You see, Buddhist monks are fundamentalists as are other ascetics. They are little danger to anyone.

Sarahnn · Post by **Sarahnn** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:41 pm

Augustus wrote:

You might want to try taking your own advice sometime. Though I doubt you ever will.

We are all settling this, but you love strife, don't you? Go play with someone else, boy.

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:41 pm

Hell_Yes wrote:fun·da·men·tal·ism n.

2.
1. often Fundamentalism An organized, militant Evangelical movement originating in the United States in the late 19th and early 20th century in opposition to Protestant Liberalism and secularism, insisting on the inerrancy of Scripture.
2. Adherence to the theology of this movement.

You see, Buddhist monks are fundamentalists as are other ascetics. They are little danger to anyone.

I'll take 2.-1. for a 1000 Alex. But then you already knew that. In this case, David, I can't find a discription for a militant fundamentalists that applies to any religion besides Christian, although it certianly fits the bill for a few of them. No?

Living with a few of that discription around me, I think I'm somewhat qualified to say.....all of them are too hard headed to see the damage they do upon their beliefs. Muslim or Christian.

UOD is still right.

Sarahnn · Post by **Sarahnn** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:52 pm

downhill wrote:I'm still trying to figure out how you can speak for all Muslims?

.

Downhill, I am not speaking for all Muslims. I am speaking about the religion of Islam. And what have I said that is so offensive?

Islam will never be the religion of peace until Muslims make it so. Thus far, they have not. They may be working on it. Good for them. LOL I love people who are Muslims, but I do not love people because they are Muslim. Same with Christians.

I guess I'm not politically correct to say exactly how I feel.

What I am really enjoying though is that the very same folks who don't want me judging Islam are judging me. Funny how some people think.

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 12:00 am

Sarahnn wrote:Downhill, I am not speaking for all Muslims. I am speaking about the religion of Islam. And what have I said that is so offensive?

What I am really enjoying though is that the very same folks who don't want me judging Islam are judging me. Funny how some people think.

Maybe some are. Are you also judging them? It's the general fourm. Debate, spamage, and rampant chaos all mixed into a huge mixing bowl and served with a sprinkle of sarcasm.

For me, no judging here, just enjoying the debate.

You do know, there was a time when the Muslim world said the same of the Christians? Maybe it's persepective where you live. What would you say those living in Palastine and of the Muslim faith, think of Christians?

Sarahnn · Post by **Sarahnn** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 12:07 am

downhill wrote:Maybe some are. Are you also judging them?

NO, let's make this perfectly clear. I am not judging anyone. I have not challenged anyone's beliefs here. I am being challenged, however.

You do know, there was a time when the Muslim world said the same of the Christians? Maybe it's persepective where you live. What would you say those living in Palastine and of the Muslim faith, think of Christians?

I won't even dignify these last comments by attempting an intelligent answer. You have a lot to learn about M.E. history regarding Islam, including the sunis, shiites and wahabism.

David · Post by **David** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 12:08 am

downhill wrote:I'll take 2.-1. for a 1000 Alex. But then you already knew that. In this case, David, I can't find a discription for a militant fundamentalists that applies to any religion besides Christian, although it certianly fits the bill for a few of them. No?

Living with a few of that discription around me, I think I'm somewhat qualified to say.....all of them are too hard headed to see the damage they do upon their beliefs. Muslim or Christian.

UOD is still right.

No.

Fundamentalists are no danger until they take up weapons to further their cause. Then again, UOD lives in constant fear of Amish reprisals.

Joint Chiefs of Staff · Wed Nov 09, 2005 12:10 am

Are we talking about Paris Hilton or about the town Paris in Ontario, Canada?

David · Post by **David** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 12:12 am

Joint Chiefs of Staff wrote:Are we talking about Paris Hilton or about the town Paris in Ontario, Canada?

Nope..... Paris sites....

BOOOOOO!!!! <dodging rotten vegetables>

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 12:12 am

Sarahnn wrote:NO, let's make this perfectly clear. I am not judging anyone. I have not challenged anyone's beliefs here. I am being challenged, however.

I won't even dignify these last comments by attempting an intelligent answer. You have a lot to learn about M.E. history regarding Islam, including the sunis, shiites and wahabism.

Ok.....I don't have a degree in religious history. That doesn't make me uninformed. Sarahann...I think maybe part of the reason you percieve others are judging you here, is because you talk down to them? They lash back?

Food for thought.

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 12:14 am

Hell_Yes wrote:No.

Fundamentalists are no danger until they take up weapons to further their cause. Then again, UOD lives in constant fear of Amish reprisals.

True, and tall bald dudes in orange robes, giving out flowers laced with arsenic.

brembo · Post by **brembo** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 12:16 am

I say smack em upside the head with a 3 day old baugette and call it a day.

David · Post by **David** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 12:16 am

downhill wrote:True, and tall bald dudes in orange robes, giving out flowers laced with arsenic.

<pause> I am tall....... I am bald....... I DO HAVE ORANGE ROBES...... nutters.... no arsenic.... just plain flowers laced with arse.

David · Post by **David** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 12:17 am

brembo wrote:I say smack em upside the head with a 3 day old faugette and call it a day.

They would like that!