Can someone explain to me, the popularity of IPods?

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Can someone explain to me, the popularity of IPods?

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Isn't the lossy format proprietary? If so, I just don't get it.
Anymore I see IPod docks being made by all kinds of companies...and I'm trying to figure out why the thing is so popular if the first sentence is true. :confused:
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My client just broguht me in a Ipod Shuffle..

How cool don't know If i will use it but Pretty cool :thumb:
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Not sure DH. I never had one and not interested in them. It is a craze lately.
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Spammy wrote:My client just broguht me in a Ipod Shuffle..

How cool don't know If i will use it but Pretty cool :thumb:
My daughter was bugging me the other day for the shuffle so I bought it for her. She loves it. Its the 512mb version but I am thinking about taking it back and getting her the 1 gig version for only thirty dollars more. I have to say it sounds way nicer than any other walkman, cd,mp3 player I have ever had. :)
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ace wrote:My daughter was bugging me the other day for the shuffle so I bought it for her. She loves it. Its the 512mb version but I am thinking about taking it back and getting her the 1 gig version for only thirty dollars more. I have to say it sounds way nicer than any other walkman, cd,mp3 player I have ever had. :)

That's exactly what the lady bought me..

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Spammy wrote:My client just broguht me in a Ipod Shuffle..

How cool don't know If i will use it but Pretty cool :thumb:
He should've waited for the Micro with the color screen and small size. The reason why it's popular is the marketing. :D

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Unholy wrote:He should've waited for the Micro. The reason why it's popular is the marketing. :D

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Around campus here basically everyone has an iPod. The only electronic you see more of is cell phones.
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downhill wrote:Isn't the lossy format proprietary? If so, I just don't get it.
Anymore I see IPod docks being made by all kinds of companies...and I'm trying to figure out why the thing is so popular if the first sentence is true. :confused:

Hi John,IMO those IPODs are for the younger people really,my daughts and her friends swear by them,they listen on the go alot and thats what they are good for,

personally I don't need one either,but the teens get into it,the quality is not that big a deal to them.. :)

with descent headphones they sound pretty cool though,for what they are.

they hold ALOT of songs..
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I don't even use it now but when I was in Iraq I got sick of hauling a 2x2 cd case to and from work each day. Then having to change cd's all the time. Especially when I didn't want to be around my shop. I bought an ipod and transferred all my songs to it. When my shop got annoying I'd go out with my ipod and lean up against one of our jets main landing gears and just mellow out :)

Plan to use it at the gym when I start going again.
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Kyle wrote:Around campus here basically everyone has an iPod. The only electronic you see more of is cell phones.
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"Around campus here basically everyone has an iPod. The only electronic you see more of is cell phones."
same thing in new york city.
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I have the 4 gig mini 18cd's of harry potter and 25 pod cast's then 100 songs.

not one commercial, and with the little trip thing it plays over the radio in the car/ work/ home :thumb: still only 2/3 full :thumb: :thumb:

Isn't the lossy format proprietary?

I like Itunes so its ok for me then just add ipodder and i'm good to go.
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I was reading a flyer today and noticed you can get thesony 512mb mp3 player (which is about the size of a bic lighter) for 200$ but then i saw a cd player that plays cdr mp3s for 69$

the cd player is a way better buy bcz you get 712 mb cdrs and damn just throw in another cdr with 300 plus mp3s on it and for the car why not just get a damned dvd deck installed for 200$> that way you get 4.7 gigs or 8 gigs of tunes on every disc.

I dunno maybe its the sleek geek thing

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It's the proprietary format that gets me. From a consumer point of view, it doesn't make sense.
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Kyle wrote:Around campus here basically everyone has an iPod. The only electronic you see more of is cell phones.
well I hear they will be making an IPOD Cell. so expect it to be one less thing to carry around.

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i bought this cool one, i forget who its by, but a little mp3 player that is smaller then a bic lighter, and has a solid clip on the back, The only thing i use it for is running, so its perfect. It cost me 100$. Couldnt see spending double that for a bigger, double the price one. Especially the regular sized ipods (not the shuffles) they are huge compared even to the mp3 player i bought like 2 or 3 years ago.

The only advantage i see is all the cool things that u can get to go along with it, like the speaker sets and docking stations and stuff. Most of the time u can find a generic alternative though. I guess its all a matter of what you would use it for. As far as the popularity of it goes, i blame it on the same thing that fueled the popularity of tickle me elmo and furby. A fad is a fad, some people just want it cuz everyone else has one.
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downhill wrote:It's the proprietary format that gets me. From a consumer point of view, it doesn't make sense.

Think SONY.
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ghost wrote:Think SONY.
Eh? More info please? Is this to appease the record labels?
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downhill wrote:Eh? More info please? Is this to appease the record labels?

My only point is that Sony is famous for having their own proprietary formats for various things - and sometimes get away with it, much to their advantage.
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ghost wrote:My only point is that Sony is famous for having their own proprietary formats for various things - and sometimes get away with it, much to their advantage.

Ah yeah, ever since betamax, they've made a concentrated effort to control all kinds of technology aimed at the consumer. I see your point.

The devils they are.

It's just the Ipod thing gets me. I suppose when there are a few more alternatives that use mp3, ogg, mpc ect ect... it'll fade away.
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downhill wrote:Ah yeah, ever since betamax, they've made a concentrated effort to control all kinds of technology aimed at the consumer. I see your point.

The devils they are.

It's just the Ipod thing gets me. I suppose when there are a few more alternatives that use mp3, ogg, mpc ect ect... it'll fade away.
i have the opposite problem, i use itunes, but dont have an ipod, so i cant listen to them on my mp3 player unless i burn them to disk, then extract those songs into mp3 format. Depends on whats more popular i guess, itunes or things that use mp3s.
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downhill wrote:Ah yeah, ever since betamax, they've made a concentrated effort to control all kinds of technology aimed at the consumer. I see your point.

The devils they are.

It's just the Ipod thing gets me. I suppose when there are a few more alternatives that use mp3, ogg, mpc ect ect... it'll fade away.

Marketing is a powerful tool as you well know. Your Betamax mention is right on the money since many believed it to be the superior format but VHS won out. I'm guessing becuse everyone else was using VHS and all those companies had their ad budget and just pounded the consumer - Sony, despite their size, couldn't win the fight.

Whoever mentioned marketing in this thread was right.

But from what I understand the iPod is a snazzy gizmo, so maybe there's something more to it than just the marketing angle. Despite whatever format is technically superior, if the iPod's proprietary format sounds acceptable to the masses then it will survive I suppose.
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Your average consumer doesn't give a crap about loss-less compression (that's IF they've ever even heard of it) nor could they tell the difference.

They're cool, I guess (no interest myself) and everyone else has one so why not bugt the folks to get you one.

If I was still a student...maybe. But when I went to school I was busy reading.
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Randy wrote:I was reading a flyer today and noticed you can get thesony 512mb mp3 player (which is about the size of a bic lighter) for 200$ but then i saw a cd player that plays cdr mp3s for 69$

the cd player is a way better buy bcz you get 712 mb cdrs and damn just throw in another cdr with 300 plus mp3s on it
This is what I do...I got a cd player that plays mp3s a few years ago and I just burn big cd-rs with 5 or 6 albums on them. Having a slick little mp3 player might be nice...but not so much better I'll buy one before this discman breaks.

If I do get an mp3 player it probably won't be apple...there are tons of other types out here, and most seem to be better for various reasons, and cheaper...I don't like the proprietary format and teh unremovable battery drives me nuts...having an ipod definitely seems to be kind of style ting
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downhill wrote:It's the proprietary format that gets me. From a consumer point of view, it doesn't make sense.

but it will play mp3's at any bitrate as well, you're not locked into the apple format.
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ghost wrote:Marketing is a powerful tool as you well know. Your Betamax mention is right on the money since many believed it to be the superior format but VHS won out. I'm guessing becuse everyone else was using VHS and all those companies had their ad budget and just pounded the consumer - Sony, despite their size, couldn't win the fight.

Whoever mentioned marketing in this thread was right.

But from what I understand the iPod is a snazzy gizmo, so maybe there's something more to it than just the marketing angle. Despite whatever format is technically superior, if the iPod's proprietary format sounds acceptable to the masses then it will survive I suppose.



well sony refused to licesnse out the betamax technology to 3rd party vendors. Panasonic liceensed out the VHS format to every major electronics manufacturer, which made VHS decks much lower in cost. The same went for the media. Video stores stocked more VHS tapes because they were cheaper to buy, making the VHS rental selection far superior to the Beta selection. Beta dies, even though tit truly was the superior format.
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I don't know why either DH but, whoever said marketing must be close to the true reason.
The latest here with them is an Ipod jacket that's prewired to stop wires hanging. Apparently the pocket for the Ipod is in the sleeve and the wiring goes up and into the lining. There's enough spare in the pocket to remove the unit to disconnect it.

Of course it carries the Ipod logo.

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Blisster wrote: tit truly was the superior format.
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Blisster wrote:but it will play mp3's at any bitrate as well, you're not locked into the apple format.
Ah...I see. This is something I wasn't aware of. I thought you were locked into itunes.

So no drm with it then?


Let me add one tidbit to the betamax thing. Betamax at the time. 2 or 4 hours max. I can't remember which. VHS 6 hours. Even though the tapes looked like crap at that speed, consumers thought the VHS format was a better deal because of it. Stupid I know, but hey.....we're always on the look out for a good deal, eh?
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Blisster wrote: Beta dies, even though tit truly was the superior format.
:nod: I'd also add that, for many people, quantity > quality.

I'm sure most people preferred the longer recording times that a VHS tape would offer (especially in a mode like SLP), and honestly, I'm not sure how many could've really told the difference between the two back then. Hell, there's still a decent segment of the population that can't tell the difference between DVD and VHS, or 128kbps MP3s and CDDA.
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Beat Jim to that point by a minute. :p



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Anyone heard of or seen the new ipod nano?

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Color screen and all that jazz... plus it comes in black too this time. looks real cool.
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downhill wrote:Beat Jim to that point by a minute. :p



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mp3s encoded at a decent bit rate really don't sound that bad to most non audio philes (sp)
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