Whats the Best thing NOT in America?

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 2:55 pm

Hmmm?

Debbie · Post by **Debbie** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 2:57 pm

Bin Laden, at lease we hope he is not here.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 2:59 pm

Debbie wrote: Bin Laden, at lease we hope he is not here.

Not what i'm talking about

Think of something you WOULD want HERE!

Zilog B · Post by **Zilog B** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 3:01 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:Hmmm?

jayyy · Post by **jayyy** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 3:01 pm

decent 3g cellphones

free medical care/universal health insurance

other than that I'd say america already has pretty much everything there is to get in this world...more a matter of getting rid of some of the bad stuff

Debbie · Post by **Debbie** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 3:06 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:Not what i'm talking about

Think of something you WOULD want HERE!

Free Health Insurance

Ok, is that better ?

Blisster · Post by **Blisster** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 3:34 pm

AFFORDABLE quality education

ScottE · Post by **ScottE** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 3:55 pm

Russian Brides

wee96 · Post by **wee96** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 3:58 pm

Women who arent stuck up or think they deserve things they dont, that type of thing.

Shagster · Post by **Shagster** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 4:08 pm

wee96 wrote:Women who arent stuck up or think they deserve things they dont, that type of thing.

What your saying is that you want more australian women to move to America

Unholy · Post by **Unholy** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 4:18 pm

Free Health Care
Good Education System
Good Public Transportation
Autobahn/Good Roads
Uncensored Television
Non-plastic people
28MB Broadband

Leatherneck · Post by **Leatherneck** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 4:23 pm

During my 20+ years in the Corps, I've had the opportunity of visiting and living an many countries. Some good, some not so. Each place is unique and has something to offer whether it be a humble attitude or a killer struesel! In Norway like many other European contries, they do enjoy inexpensive medical & schooling, but at a cost of nearly half their wage in tax. Is it good or bad, I don't know for sure, but my friend over there sure wishes he could keep more of his earnings. He says people tend to abuse the system by running to the doctor at first sign of a sniffle to get medicine. It's all a bit complicated I guess.

One thing that I think we really miss the boat on is basic respect for each other. It's strange that our nation which is predominantly "God believeing" folks will kill for a thrill, but be fanatical to save whales while a "Godless" nation such as Japan will kill whales, but respect each other. USA has 11 times more murders per capita than Japan. USA - 6.32 per 100,000 annually to Japan's 0.58 per 100,000 annually. Another reason is the legal system. You do the crime, you pay. None of the legal follies we see here all the time.

wee96 · Post by **wee96** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 4:48 pm

Shaggy wrote:What your saying is that you want more australian women to move to America

I have yet to play with one, ill let you know when I do

BlindPilot · Post by **BlindPilot** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 5:09 pm

I always thought you needed more brits over there

mountainman · Post by **mountainman** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 5:12 pm

I've been to at least 10 foreign countries and the USA is, by far, the best.

However, if I had to pick something that we don't have, it would be a rich history with lots to show for it (i.e. old buildings, old stories, old culture, etc).

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 5:35 pm

jayyy wrote:free medical care/universal health insurance

this gets my vote

but if i could add one more it would also be about the education system

i know there are other countries that far outpace us with education, like Japan (i think), etc....

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 5:37 pm

Unholy wrote:Free Health Care
Good Education System
Good Public Transportation
Autobahn/Good Roads
Uncensored Television
Non-plastic people
28MB Broadband

I disagree with uncensored TV

Gotta think of the kids

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 5:39 pm

bigmo66 wrote:It's strange that our nation which is predominantly "God believeing" folks

I don't think it is anymore, honestly. That path is getting narrower and narrower.

Unholy · Post by **Unholy** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 5:44 pm

Brent wrote:I disagree with uncensored TV

Gotta think of the kids

Well they do get nudity on top of violence and are less p.c. than American television.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 6:00 pm

Brent wrote:I don't think it is anymore, honestly.

TonyT · Post by **TonyT** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 6:18 pm

FIATs

Leatherneck · Post by **Leatherneck** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:14 pm

Brent wrote:I don't think it is anymore, honestly. That path is getting narrower and narrower.

Yeah. you are absolutely right. We'll be mocked & ridiculed far worse than a few mouse pilots around here could ever do

triniwasp · Post by **triniwasp** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:30 pm

bigmo66 wrote:During my 20+ years in the Corps, I've had the opportunity of visiting and living an many countries. Some good, some not so. Each place is unique and has something to offer whether it be a humble attitude or a killer struesel! In Norway like many other European contries, they do enjoy inexpensive medical & schooling, but at a cost of nearly half their wage in tax. Is it good or bad, I don't know for sure, but my friend over there sure wishes he could keep more of his earnings. He says people tend to abuse the system by running to the doctor at first sign of a sniffle to get medicine. It's all a bit complicated I guess.

One thing that I think we really miss the boat on is basic respect for each other. It's strange that our nation which is predominantly "God believeing" folks will kill for a thrill, but be fanatical to save whales while a "Godless" nation such as Japan will kill whales, but respect each other. USA has 11 times more murders per capita than Japan. USA - 6.32 per 100,000 annually to Japan's 0.58 per 100,000 annually. Another reason is the legal system. You do the crime, you pay. None of the legal follies we see here all the time.

I coudn't agree more.

AceFireball · Post by **AceFireball** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:38 pm

triniwasp wrote:I coudn't agree more.

triniwasp · Post by **triniwasp** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:50 pm

AceFireball wrote:

All the planets must be aligned!!

AceFireball · Post by **AceFireball** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 8:06 pm

triniwasp wrote:All the planets must be aligned!!

Figured Id hear something like that

I also must agree with Wee, non-stuck up women would be a blessing

Bouncer · Post by **Bouncer** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 3:03 am

Brent wrote:I don't think it is anymore, honestly. That path is getting narrower and narrower.

I'm sorry, do you not recall the entire United States Congress reconvening and the President of the United States flying back to Washington DC to pass a law that ONLY the religious people wanted?

Does the name "Terry Schiavo" ring any bells? Remember that?

The problem isn't that we aren't religious enough. The problem is we're letting public policy be guided by simplistic moral views without any thought to the consequences.

This is how people end up forcing a woman to carry a baby to term only to kill it because she can't afford it's medical care. In case you hadn't noticed, we're almost at that point. And that is squarly the fault of the GodSquad/Bushies.

Regards,
-Bouncer-

Bouncer · Post by **Bouncer** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 3:07 am

John wrote:Some things I want in America

1. $2,000 fee to get a drivers license (I heard Germany has this)
2. Stricter punishments for offense on the road (watched UK Cops in Britain... oh man)
3. Larger bike lanes/completely seperate smaller bike roads
4. Higher gas prices (like 5-6$ per gallon)
5. Much better public transportation methods... we are ridiculous compared to other countries.

Which will all lead to...

Less pollution, less idiots on the road, better physical road conditions, less waste, less dependence on foreign countries, faster commutes, and lower taxes (because we won't have to spend trillions updating our already outdated road infrastructure to handle more capacity).

Nah John, our country is too spread out. Public transportation works in europe only because it's tax subsidized AND because they have much higher population density. The market will cue our nation of the SUV habit without any intervention from Congress. It happened in the 70's and we ended up with Japaneese cars that all got 40MPG. This time we'll all end up with Japaneese cars that get 60MPG.

Regards,
-Bouncer-

jayyy · Post by **jayyy** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 3:39 am

Bouncer wrote:The market will cue our nation of the SUV habit without any intervention from Congress. It happened in the 70's and we ended up with Japaneese cars that all got 40MPG. This time we'll all end up with Japaneese cars that get 60MPG.

Regards,
-Bouncer-

The US kind of got onto the habit because of congress. The government really went out of its way to bend rules so that the automative industry could sell and make a profit off of those things.

Bouncer · Post by **Bouncer** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 5:59 am

Jayyy,

I'm not sure I agree. My reading has led me to believe that driving the SUV market were a sort of generational difference between mothers and daughters, combined with slick media marketing. Consider, the SUV rise has coincided with the almost complete destruction of the station wagon market. The reason for both is the same, a sort of see-saw effect. Young mothers. Specifically, young mothers who didn't want to be seen as their mothers were. Who didn't want that tie to late sixties to late seventies.

The SUV in the US developed out of a more simple, utilitarian vehicle to become the replacement for both station wagons and Mini-Vans with many trim layers and plush options. While the MV market has held on by adding trim types and luxury items, it has been significantly impacted by the rise of the SUV. The SW market, on the other hand, has been gutted. There are now only a few station wagons offered by any manufacturer, and some offer none. EVERY major manufacturer though, offers an SUV, including Volvo, BMW, Mercedes, and not only in American markets. In fact some SUVs made in the US are shipped overseas and sell out immediately. None of that, is through act of congress.

Having said all the above, there is a loophole in the law which allows SOME SUVs (Hummers) to be sold without sales tax because they are in the same bracket as certain types of farm vehicles (in excess of 5000lbs).

Regards,
-Bouncer-

Leatherneck · Post by **Leatherneck** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 8:03 am

Bouncer wrote: This is how people end up forcing a woman to carry a baby to term only to kill it because she can't afford it's medical care. In case you hadn't noticed, we're almost at that point. And that is squarly the fault of the GodSquad/Bushies.

Regards,
-Bouncer-

So it's O.K. to stab the fetus in the brain and suck its body parts out with a vacuum? That's a good alternative to being a responsible with the choices you make? How about a Man owning up and taking care of the child with Mother? How about getting a job and contributing to society. There is ALWAYS an alternative to aborting a healthy fetus.

I don't see your logic beyond selfishness and pure convienance Bouncer.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 8:24 am

The best thing not in America?

has to be how europe is not hung up on sex on TV and in general like the U.S is

Shagster · Post by **Shagster** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 8:37 am

2 year draft. Many examples but the one I would use to back me is Israel. My buddy said thats retarded, we don't need it because we don't have enemies all around us like they do. I say its not that but its that I think our country would run a lot better when everyone realized what the cost of freedom is.

tao_jones · Post by **tao_jones** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 9:09 am

Brazilian Super Models.

jayyy · Post by **jayyy** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 1:12 pm

Bouncer wrote:Jayyy,

I'm not sure I agree....
Having said all the above, there is a loophole in the law which allows SOME SUVs (Hummers) to be sold without sales tax because they are in the same bracket as certain types of farm vehicles (in excess of 5000lbs).

Regards,
-Bouncer-

Even by itself, thats a heck of a loophole. They classified the most extravagant, wasteful vehicle on the market the same as tax-free farming equipment?
I'm not home right now so I don't have the readings, but I believe that SUVs should have heavy restrictions on them due to the emissions leveles, but for whatever reason they weren't classified the way they should have been...can't quote it, I'll check it later.

It definitely seems like its replaced the station wagon, but in most cases, It seems to me that young women want SUVs because they feel safer. I keep hearing stories about people in regular cars sandwiched between two of them on the road, and realizing that if theres a collision they"ll be dead meat, while the people in those two hulks of steel will get out of it untouched. So the more there are on the road, the more everyone else wants one, just so that they have the same advantage.

SUVs are kind of a hot item because they're in all the videos, and america sets a lot of trends on stuff like that. but you pay a huge cost for that status symbol in countries like japan, and that definitely helps keep a lid on them. I think I've only seen one hummer in fukuoka, and they're not exactly the types of cars that'll miss your attention..

Dan · Post by **Dan** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 1:20 pm

also,I'm not sure if it has changed yet,but SUV's used to not have as tough smog laws as pass cars.

BTW,I have a NISSAN Xterra suv and love it,and do enough camping and fishing and trail driving and stuff,tha t I really like the features of it for my lifestyle.

and trust me,I used to be a "disco sucks/ yuppy slamming /volvo hating/ no mini van /I'll never get a SUV /person" .. LOL

but things change,

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 1:33 pm

Dan wrote:also,I'm not sure if it has changed yet,but SUV's used to not have as tough smog laws as pass cars.

BTW,I have a NISSAN Xterra suv and love it,and do enough camping and fishing and trail driving and stuff,tha t I really like the features of it for my lifestyle.

and trust me,I used to be a "disco sucks/ yuppy slamming /volvo hating/ no mini van /I'll never get a SUV /person" .. LOL

but things change,

I own a Hynudai Santa Fe SU, just got this year and I love it too!!! You really need one where I live and just to tranpot things to and from like home depot

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 2:45 pm

Bouncer wrote:The problem is we're letting public policy be guided by simplistic moral views without any thought to the consequences.

[Sarcastic]Oh noes, people are trying to let morals guide us, save us all![/Sarcastic]

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 2:46 pm

Ghosthunter wrote:The best thing not in America?

has to be how europe is not hung up on sex on TV and in general like the U.S is

but imagine what young kids see on TV over there

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 2:56 pm

Brent wrote:but imagine what young kids see on TV over there

Like what, life?