What's the worse thing in America?

[downhill]

No not Rush, and for the record I do not agree with him 100%. I just dont like being robbed.

Odd? Seem to me that the neo cons control the purse strings? They control 2 outa 3 branches of government. Aren't you still paying taxes?

[triniwasp]

Odd? Seem to me that the neo cons control the purse strings? They control 2 outa 3 branches of government. Aren't you still paying taxes?

Can I get a Witness!!

[Paft]

Money. The entire concept of wealth as it is now is so beyond screwed up, it's not funny.

[Blisster]

Republicans/Fascists....They're ALL just SO STUPID.

[YARDofSTUF]

Liberals/Socialists .... who would like to remove most of the money in my paycheck (through force (taxation)) just to give it to a lazy, non-working, welfare receiving, unwed baby having losers... just to even up the wealth so they dont feel bad about themselves and therefore proprogating the ignorance of being suckled on the t!t of society. You want some more $$ and nicer things, go get a job and earn it... just like me.!

So if there not liberals or socialists its ok if someone does that too ya? lol

[wee96]

Without these "illegal immigrants" you guys are so down on you would be paying
$5 for a head of lettuce. Let them pick our food and work for less than minimum wage while the white land owners get away without paying workers comp or payroll taxes, just don't let them live here... right. You racist SOB's are pathetic. Lets see your lazy A$$es get out and pick produce when it is 100 degrees for $6 dollars an hour.

[tao_jones]

If you think that anyone in washington dc outside of your family gives a **** about you and the fact that you are republican or democrat...you are sadly mistaken...if politicians gave a **** about us why do they get paid so much...they are there for the money and power. The bi-partisan system has done nothing but to give the people of this country more to bitch about...we all think our money should be spent differently.

As far as the illegal immigrants...for those of you who own houses that were built by immigrants would you pay more for your house to know it was built by someone with a social security number...lets not be naive and think that it would cost the same the contracters and builders are going to pass the cost right along to you...the same thing goes with any type of work that is done by immigrant workers in the end the consumer pays the price.

[Leatherneck]

Capitalisim=fascisim which both suck.

Yeah, communism & dictatorship is way better. "Here's your orange and $4, now go away before we hang you!"


No, apathy & laziness are the problem with the land of fatted calves.

[downhill]

So what was the thread about again?

Oh yeah! Things that are bad in America. The worst things. IMHO, none of them are political.

Meth is destroying not only families but communities as well. We had an outrage over the cocaine epidemic during the 80's and early 90s. Compared to cocaine, Methamphetamine is a far more insidious drug. Yet there just doesn't seem to be this push by the news outlets or the same warnings put out by the various state and federal authorities.

[thepieman]

Liberals/Socialists .... who would like to remove most of the money in my paycheck (through force (taxation)) just to give it to a lazy, non-working, welfare receiving, unwed baby having losers... just to even up the wealth so they dont feel bad about themselves and therefore proprogating the ignorance of being suckled on the t!t of society. You want some more $$ and nicer things, go get a job and earn it... just like me.!

Bronco
well , under the conservative banner , it seems that instead of giving money to babies that might otherwise starve, they are giving it to people who already have it, don't need it, don't deserve it, who then take that money and invest it into foreign lands only so they can take YOUR JOB and replace it with a nice cheap Hindu, Pakistani,Philipino worker. I'd rather see my money go to a good cause such as a baby or homeless family then some rich bigwig at Enron or an Oil conglomerate, who is already charging me through the nose for their services, stealing my money through stock manipulation or 401K fraud, or profiteering through wartime. God forbid we feed an unwed mother, but lets go free a bunch of Iraqi asshats,so we can give them the money instead then, have them turn around and try to shoot us in the back when our heads are turned. God forbid we give it to someone who may need it here that may also be a fellow American.
Corporate welfare is a hell of a lot worse then human welfare.


Pie

[BroncoSport]

Bronco
well , under the conservative banner , it seems that instead of giving money to babies that might otherwise starve, they are giving it to people who already have it, don't need it, don't deserve it, who then take that money and invest it into foreign lands only so they can take YOUR JOB and replace it with a nice cheap Hindu, Pakistani,Philipino worker. I'd rather see my money go to a good cause such as a baby or homeless family then some rich bigwig at Enron or an Oil conglomerate, who is already charging me through the nose for their services, stealing my money through stock manipulation or 401K fraud, or profiteering through wartime. God forbid we feed an unwed mother, but lets go free a bunch of Iraqi asshats,so we can give them the money instead then, have them turn around and try to shoot us in the back when our heads are turned. God forbid we give it to someone who may need it here that may also be a fellow American.
Corporate welfare is a hell of a lot worse then human welfare.


Pie

Now your putting works in my mouth. I dont think that we should be giving our hard earned money to the oil companies EITHER. Damn it people ITS OUR MONEY, but most people dont think nothing about the amount that is forceably removed from your check. I bet if instead of an automatic deduction, you had to write the gov a check for the tax amount.. well people would be throwing a fit and change would happen (or be demanded) immediately. As far as Liberal vs conservitives, well that is how most line up on the fence. Most are one side or the other. I am on the right (for the most part, not 100%) and I personally think that Liberal is just another work for communist or socialist. If I wanted this type of control in my life I would move to China.


And As far as the racism comment about the ILLEGAL aliens / workers. What part of ILLEGAL dont you get. Would it raise the cost of the produce or services that some of them perform... maybe. Who cares. Hell I make under 40k and I would be willing to pay more for an orange if our borders were secure. The fact that tens of thousands of people are coming into our country ILLEGALLY, getting government assistance, not contributing to the SSI, and tax base... well it pisses me off. It should you too. If a person really wants to become a citizen, well do it the legal way. Thousands of others did. The flood of ILLEGAL mexicans have even caused social changes that find it perfectly acceptable to not speach an word of this country's native language.... Cherokee! Racist.. man that is the biggest load of BS I have heard her in quite a while. Keep spreading the hate....

[downhill]

Where liberalism embraces capitalism and socialism/communism shuns it, and your post is about money, I fail to see the relationship.

Without some laws trying to control what corporations do, (a facet of liberalism) all of us would be working for the company store.

While there were tax cuts...mostly for the wealthy, most of the middle class and poor, don't realize they really didn't get a tax cut. Why? Most states raised some form of tax to compensate....The most evil of tax raises were sales taxes that most states raised. This tax affects everyone but especially the poor.

So the arguement that the Whitehouse tax cuts were good...is really bald face lie, since that really didn't happen.

Now in saying that, there isn't any way we can fund what we do, especially in time of war without taxes. Guess who's paying for all this? While the national debt rises...we sell bonds to float our debt. Guess who buys them? Anyone! Including other countries. One of them, buys a lot of our debt...China.

Let that sink in...

[Zilog B]

fast food

[RoscoPColtrane]

Without these "illegal immigrants" you guys are so down on you would be paying
$5 for a head of lettuce. Let them pick our food and work for less than minimum wage while the white land owners get away without paying workers comp or payroll taxes, just don't let them live here... right. You racist SOB's are pathetic. Lets see your lazy A$$es get out and pick produce when it is 100 degrees for $6 dollars an hour.

LOL, there is nothing racist about wanting these people to come over here legally. Get real man. This country is going down the ****s and it has alot to do with them. You should see what this area looks like. Its a **** hole, mexican's spray painting everything. Acting like we owe them becuase they were born in a **** country. Like that's my fault? You act like giving them 6 dollars is a bad thing. (its a hell of alot more than they would make down there) THEY ARE ILLEGAL they deserve NOTHING from this country....untill they decide to become citizens and earning their keep with taxes....

Oh and DON'T look at me like im stupid because i speak english and not their damned language in my f'in country...

What REALLY pisses me off is these morons jump the boarder, kidnap american women and kids and hold them for ransom. Yet that isn't considered terrorist activity by our government?! Get friggin real...if we had middle eastern people doing that it would be the end of the friggin world....

Just because Bushes ranch buddies need cheap work....

To set it straight, i think its great to see Mexican people come over here legally and EARN a great life....

[thepieman]

Now your putting works in my mouth. I dont think that we should be giving our hard earned money to the oil companies EITHER. Damn it people ITS OUR MONEY, but most people dont think nothing about the amount that is forceably removed from your check. I bet if instead of an automatic deduction, you had to write the gov a check for the tax amount.. well people would be throwing a fit and change would happen (or be demanded) immediately. As far as Liberal vs conservitives, well that is how most line up on the fence. Most are one side or the other. I am on the right (for the most part, not 100%) and I personally think that Liberal is just another work for communist or socialist. If I wanted this type of control in my life I would move to China.

Not at all..it wasn't intended to put words in your mouth, but thats how you interpret a liberal,and that was just how I see conservatives.
As for the Illegal immigrants, well yes they don't pay taxes and things such as that but it all trickles down. They spend money in local stores, they pay rent, and its whats keeping tomatoes,oranges, and other produce down in price instead of triple what it would if it was with regular workers. You and the wife go out to eat and the salad that you get with your meal would be 4.50 instead of 2.50 (Just one of the many examples that could be given) so it all works back to you in one way or the other at this point. Its not like this is a newly found thing thats been happening, there have been migrant workers for decades. Border strengthening should be in place for threats to our lives right now, not for someones whos just trying to survive. You should be worrying about jobs that are being taken away from Americans and being farmed out to people overseas that will never spend a penny on american soil and will never reinvest the money back into the system. That IS a problem.

Pie

[thepieman]

What REALLY pisses me off is these morons jump the boarder, kidnap american women and kids and hold them for ransom. Yet that isn't considered terrorist activity by our government?! Get friggin real...if we had middle eastern people doing that it would be the end of the friggin world....

Middle Easterners have been doing that for a while too, they just dont hold them for ransom tho..Slavetrade for Sex is a big thing in Asia, Africa, Europe as well. These children and women that you see on Milk cartons are not just disappearing into thin air or being murdered.
A lot of people who come in illegally usually tend to apply for legal status soon after. I see it happening all the time. I have several customers who run Immigration businesses and they are all kept quite busy. The majority of people who come here illegally usually do it because they have tried legally first and are turned down.

Pie

[BlindPilot]

The worst thing in america....



can I say "Americans"???

[Sarahnn]

Abortion.

[tao_jones]

So what was the thread about again?

Oh yeah! Things that are bad in America. The worst things. IMHO, none of them are political.

Meth is destroying not only families but communities as well. We had an outrage over the cocaine epidemic during the 80's and early 90s. Compared to cocaine, Methamphetamine is a far more insidious drug. Yet there just doesn't seem to be this push by the news outlets or the same warnings put out by the various state and federal authorities.

We've got a bad meth problem here in TN. Meth is much worse than coke for the simple reason that people bath their kids in the same bathtubs that they make meth and the fumes effect the kids that are around when it is made. My exgf worked a daycare while she was in college and said that you could easily tell which kids parents had a problem.

[brembo]

Abortion.

Whoa....

I gotta hear how you can say that abortion is worse than some of the stuff listed in this thread.

[Meggie]

And in an instant it all becomes crystal clear....

i was thinking the same thing..

[Meggie]

So what was the thread about again?

Oh yeah! Things that are bad in America. The worst things. IMHO, none of them are political.

Meth is destroying not only families but communities as well. We had an outrage over the cocaine epidemic during the 80's and early 90s. Compared to cocaine, Methamphetamine is a far more insidious drug. Yet there just doesn't seem to be this push by the news outlets or the same warnings put out by the various state and federal authorities.

i think there are a lot worse things in this country then any drug.. drugs are a choice, the things most of us are talking about effect us but was never really a choice of anyones except the guy who made the law

[Sarahnn]

Whoa....

I gotta hear how you can say that abortion is worse than some of the stuff listed in this thread.

Everything on this thread has a solution. Once yer dead, you can't offer one, invent one or use one.

[nepenthe]

Everything on this thread has a solution. Once yer dead, you can't offer one, invent one or use one.

Not quite true. Some of the problems have solutions that can be perceived as worse. In death, some might argue that a true reward is granted.

That said, I prefer concrete issues to ivory tower generalizations (Wait, did I just generalize?). If you view abortion as the worse thing in America, you of course are entitled. I would think that an issue that directly effects our social fabric, such as methamphetimines, advertizing, politicians overtly for sale, tax money stolen. Abortion is one of religion consideration, which is a personal issue. Unfortunately, some people believe in cramming their particular isms down everyones throats (pun intended).

[Ken]

What's the worse thing in America?

That's easy, ...Brembo and Noevo after their yearly deworming... WOW! That is a no brainer there! It doesn't take a rocking scientist to figure that out...

How about a tough question?

[nepenthe]

Damn it people ITS OUR MONEY, but most people dont think nothing about the amount that is forceably removed from your check. I bet if instead of an automatic deduction, you had to write the gov a check for the tax amount.. well people would be throwing a fit and change would happen (or be demanded) immediately. As far as Liberal vs conservitives, well that is how most line up on the fence. Most are one side or the other. I am on the right (for the most part, not 100%) and I personally think that Liberal is just another work for communist or socialist. If I wanted this type of control in my life I would move to China.

You have an excellent point concerning tax dollars, however your anger is misplaced. It would be better to examine just where your money is being frittered away. Believe me, the monies going to those "lazy welfare mothers" is peanuts when compared to the corporate bail out moneys pissed away. I become furious when I see my local taxes escalate so that villianous contractors can overcharge for public works (a three million dollar repair of a local high school's comes to mind).

As for China, if things continue as they are, you will be living in China. Look for Bouncer's excellent post on the subject. At least other countries are curtailing their deluge of cheap goods.

[tao_jones]

From the movie Boondock Saints:

"And I am reminded, on this holy day, of the sad story of Kitty Genovese. As you all may remember, a long time ago, almost thirty years ago, this poor soul cried out for help time and time again, but no person answered her calls. Though many saw, no one so much as called the police. They all just watched as Kitty was being stabbed to death in broad daylight. They watched as her assailant walked away. Now, we must all fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear most, and that is the indifference of good men."

[Sarahnn]

Not quite true. Some of the problems have solutions that can be perceived as worse. In death, some might argue that a true reward is granted.

That said, I prefer concrete issues to ivory tower generalizations (Wait, did I just generalize?). If you view abortion as the worse thing in America, you of course are entitled. I would think that an issue that directly effects our social fabric, such as methamphetimines, advertizing, politicians overtly for sale, tax money stolen. Abortion is one of religion consideration, which is a personal issue. Unfortunately, some people believe in cramming their particular isms down everyones throats (pun intended).

I could use this same type of circular reasoning to say that if people did not use meth, it would not be a problem at all. However, our society has many problems, the abuse of drugs and the epidemic abortion rate is but two of them. I think I'll stand by my post inspite of your narrow view regarding my contribution.

By the way, fetuses have no religion. So, if you feel crammed it's not me doing it.

[Loonatic]

Without these "illegal immigrants" you guys are so down on you would be paying
$5 for a head of lettuce. Let them pick our food and work for less than minimum wage while the white land owners get away without paying workers comp or payroll taxes, just don't let them live here... right. You racist SOB's are pathetic. Lets see your lazy A$$es get out and pick produce when it is 100 degrees for $6 dollars an hour.

Actually, I deal with mostly low class mexicans and blacks at my job, even though its a grocery store. I made **** money, and these people drive up in nice cars, such as new Rams, Escalades, etc but they pay with food with FOOD STAMPS.

What the hell is that about? They get no respect from me at all. I dont even acknowledge their prescence, it sickens me, and so do you when you stick up for them. Quit crying about racism, its called a fact of life.

[cyberskye]

Quit crying about racism, its called a fact of life.

Not really. It's a choice. You can't change other people, you can only change yourself - lead by example.

As to the original topic, I'd say a mindset of deliberate ignorance is the worst part of the US. We hear what we want to hear and believe it as true.

Skye

[nepenthe]

I could use this same type of strawman to say that if people did not use meth, it would not be a problem at all.

I do not believe that I used that form of argument. EDIT>>>>> it is not tautologic either.

However, our society has many problems, the abuse of drugs and the epidemic abortion rate is but two of them. I think I'll stand by my post inspite of your narrow view regarding my contribution.

I well understand the perspectives on abortion, though I cannot qualify it against yours. If you felt offended by my tone, please accept my apologies. Please be aware that I am not a closed minded individual. That aside, we can measure the damage to communities from drugs versus that of abortion. It is how one chooses to consider the data against his or her personal experiences.

By the way, fetuses have no religion. So, if you feel crammed it's not me doing it.

When do you believe that they have a soul? As for the cramming, no it is not you proseltyzing, however to press the abortion issue, you must take some measure of whether it is a fight of faith or not. What damage is it actually being done?

[Sarahnn]

I do not believe that I used that form of argument.

You didn't. My bad.

I well understand the perspectives on abortion, though I cannot qualify it against yours. If you felt offended by my tone, please accept my apologies.

Not at all. I just wanted you to know that my opinions are not founded on my relgious beliefs.

Please be aware that I am not a closed minded individual. That aside, we can measure the damage to communities from drugs versus that of abortion. It is how one chooses to consider the data against his or her personal experiences.

Not closed-minded, but your view that my concern with abortion is religion-driven is a bit judgemental and unfounded.

When do you believe that they have a soul?

How would I know? Only God knows that. I would guess that it is upon conception if I had to committ one way or another. I just don't know.

As for the cramming, no it is not you proseltyzing,

Good, I didn't think I was.

however to press the abortion issue, you must take some measure of whether it is a fight of faith or not. What damage is it actually doing?

I don't know what damage we have done to ourselves as a species by preventing millions of our future offspring from reaching viability as a thinking, reasoning and contributing human being to our society. I guess we may never know.

[nepenthe]

Not at all. I just wanted you to know that my opinions are not founded on my relgious beliefs.

Not closed-minded, but your view that my concern with abortion is religion-driven is a bit judgemental and unfounded.

Fair enough, if you have a moment, even in private, I would enjoy to hear concern.

I don't know what damage we have done to ourselves as a species by preventing millions of our future offspring from reaching viability as a thinking, reasoning and contributing human being to our society. I guess we may never know.

Again acceptable, however how can then you measure it as the worse thing in America?

It is an odd topic.

best wishes to you Patricia, work is a calling,
david

[DaddyLongLeg]

IMHO.......Meth...

Yours?

Pretty hard to argue that. It's a bad drug for sure

[Sarahnn]

Fair enough, if you have a moment, even in private, I would enjoy to hear concern.

The basis for my concern over abortion is that life is so precious that life and death decisions should not be in the hands of just anyone, nor in the hands of the government. They say that necessity is the mother of invention. However, we have not found it necessary to find a place for unwanted fetuses because of our present abortion-mill mentality and therefore, nothing will save them. While I do not believe in government interference, like sheep who have come to rely on the shepherd of unwanted pregnant women we follow them like the pied piper into the abortionists hands.

how can then you measure it as the worse thing in America?

Why is meth such a problem? Is it because people die? Maybe, like fetuses, it is not the worse thing that can happen if their lifestyle causes so much destruction to themselves and society.

best wishes to you Patricia, work is a calling,
david

And to you, David.

[dietPOOPsie]

Spoken like a true craka!!

please define "craka". Is it anything akin to "nigga", "kike", "W.O.P.", "Jap", "spic", "paki" and all?











What's the worse thing in the U.S.? Would have to be double standards, lack of personal responsibility and affirmative action type programs.


yup yup!

[dietPOOPsie]

Republicans/Fascists....They're ALL just SO STUPID.

Democrats/Socialist....They're ALL just SO F'n STUPID.








rolfberrylol

[dietPOOPsie]

So what was the thread about again?

Seems to have been taken off course about post #32. go figure?



rotflcopterlol



Nice bait.

[Brk]

Mods posting their personal two cents (read: opinions) in threads after they've been locked.

[Sarahnn]

Mods posting their personal two cents (read: opinions) in threads after they've been locked.

I think that would be called a pet-peeve, Burke, with which I totally agree.

It borders on rudeness to tell someone the subject is closed, then continue to address the same subject through special access on a locked thread, while addressing the very people who are denied access to the thread.

But, this does not make the mods bad moderators. It makes them "unawares".

Personally, I am growing very fond of our moderators here, because I see a consistant effort by them to understand what posters here require to be content. This is a notable change from when I first arrived on the scene.

I am very impressed with them.