Pope given last rites

horsemen_ · Post by **horsemen_** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 12:50 am

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03 ... index.html

Thursday night, as his health deteriorated, the pontiff was given the last rites of the Roman Catholic Church, a Vatican source told CNN.

Dakota · Post by **Dakota** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 1:01 am

He's suffered heart failure, the reports say. He has died. They're just gathering their facts and thoughts before announcing it officially.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 1:02 am

I wonder if he's named a successor? Or how does it work in the Catholic church? I can't imagine how it's gonna be when he does pass, if he hasn't already. People already worship the guy as if he were God, imagine when he's gone.

nepenthe · Post by **nepenthe** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 1:17 am

The college of cardinals meet to select a new pope.

John Paul II is a good man. It will be sad to see him pass.

Shinobi · Post by **Shinobi** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 2:14 am

Even when he was sick these past weeks, seemed like he was trying, with all of his strength, just to be with the people.

God bless him.

Ashdaw · Post by **Ashdaw** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 2:42 am

Requiscat in Pace John Paul.

". . . Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: For thou art with me; Thy rod and thy staff, they comfort me. Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies . . . ."

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 2:47 am

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,152009,00.html

That man is stubbornly holding on to every last vestige of power he can. He needs to step down and name his successor already. However they go about it, he should recognize his usefulness is about done.

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 3:17 am

Prey521 wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,152009,00.html

That man is stubbornly holding on to every last vestige of power he can. He needs to step down and name his successor already. However they go about it, he should recognize his usefulness is about done.

I don't think its that easy. The new Pope has to be voted in. Its a real wierd way they do it. They have a Chimmney that you watch for the smoke to come out of on the vatican and thats when they have signalled the new popes been chosen. He can't name his successor.

Pie

Kip Patterson · Post by **Kip Patterson** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 3:42 am

The news services are carrying a report that the Pope is in a coma, although it has been denied by the Vatican.

Upon his death, the College of Cardinals meets to elect a new Pope by a series of ballots. Each set of ballots is burned, and an additive is added to the fire to color the smoke and signal whether the ballots resulted in an election of the new Pope.

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 4:31 am

Kip Patterson wrote:The news services are carrying a report that the Pope is in a coma, although it has been denied by the Vatican.

Upon his death, the College of Cardinals meets to elect a new Pope by a series of ballots. Each set of ballots is burned, and an additive is added to the fire to color the smoke and signal whether the ballots resulted in an election of the new Pope.

Yeah the Vatican denied it and said he was just in morning mass and he was fine. The vatican is so secretive sometimes.

Pie

TonyT · Post by **TonyT** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 6:03 am

Prey521 wrote:I wonder if he's named a successor? Or how does it work in the Catholic church? I can't imagine how it's gonna be when he does pass, if he hasn't already. People already worship the guy as if he were God, imagine when he's gone.

It's not that people worship him, they hold him in hig regard and much respect. This is not an instantaneous respect either because unlike other gorvernments or governing bodies, the pope is in office from the time he is elected to his death. This gives him many many years to grow upon a people and have an effect. (if a us pres serverd 25 yrs, we too would have a similar respect for him, no matter who the pres was, though the pope's influence is of a more spiritual nature than a pres)

minir · Post by **minir** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 6:18 am

His passing will be a tremendous loss to the Catholic Church, but also to people of all Faiths, as He is a very unifying force for all Religions.

He set many things straight that needed to be done. He admitted and apologized for prior mistakes made by the Catholic Church as well.

He is a good Man, a Champion of Children and the less fortunate and will be difficult to replace.

God Bless Him

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regards

minir

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 6:22 am

Sad news.

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 6:24 am

Prey
Also the very first Pope was St. Peter of the original 12 apostles , so this position holds a very high spot as being the successor to St. Peter. I guess its like saying he's an apostle of sorts as its been handed down through the centuries.

Pie

minir · Post by **minir** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 6:30 am

To Prey & Others who may be unfamiliar with the Election of a Pope upon the demise of the Sitting Pope.

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Conclave-- from the Latin con (with) and clavis (key)-- refers to the private meeting of the College of Cardinals in which a new Pope is elected.

During a conclave, the voting cardinals are literally locked into their meeting, and communication with the outside world is closed. By tradition, the cardinals signal the results of each vote by burning treated paper to produce black smoke when they have been unsuccessful in selecting a new Pontiff, white smoke when the new Pope is chosen.

The current regulations for a papal conclave restrict the voting to members of the College of Cardinals who have not yet reached their 80th birthday.

The tradition of closing the doors on a conclave was introduced in 1274 by Pope Gregory X, as a means of guarding against outside political interference and also as an inducement for the cardinals to make their selection promptly. (Pope Gregory X himself was elected after a period in which the Church went three years without a Pope, prompting cries for reform and acceleration of the selection process.)

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regards

minir

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 11:46 am

TonyT wrote:It's not that people worship him, they hold him in hig regard and much respect. This is not an instantaneous respect either because unlike other gorvernments or governing bodies, the pope is in office from the time he is elected to his death. This gives him many many years to grow upon a people and have an effect. (if a us pres serverd 25 yrs, we too would have a similar respect for him, no matter who the pres was, though the pope's influence is of a more spiritual nature than a pres)

http://www.geocities.com/cfpchurch/pope.html

minir · Post by **minir** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 12:01 pm

Well Brent i see nothing has changed.

You should be ashamed of yourself for putting such Tripe in a post about a failing Pope who lay near death. What crap!

Anything to stir up Religious Bigotry Eh! Brent.

How sad you Claim to be a Christian, yet at every opportunity Slam and try to Disparage any Religion not your own.

You Disgust Me!

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minir

wee96 · Post by **wee96** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 12:54 pm

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 12:56 pm

I didn't say I don't feel for this dying man. It is always sad when a good man dies that has done a lot of good in this world and touched many hearts.

nepenthe · Post by **nepenthe** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 1:01 pm

minir,

Brent did not write the site himself, he was quoting a geocities page. I concur that it does paint a tilted view. The RC Church has changed in its perspectives over the many years. Like any empowered organization, its hierarchy has had its moments of trechery. Understand that at the time of many of those quotes, the RC church and its leaders wielded more power than most nations and their royalty.

Pope John Paul II has been a remarkable leader. Certainly there are some issues one might question, but if any one person can exemplify the good of being Catholic, it is him.

david

tao_jones · Post by **tao_jones** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 1:01 pm

minir wrote:Well Brent i see nothing has changed.

You should be ashamed of yourself for putting such Tripe in a post about a failing Pope who lay near death. What crap!

Anything to stir up Religious Bigotry Eh! Brent.

How sad you Claim to be a Christian, yet at every opportunity Slam and try to Disparage any Religion not your own.

You Disgust Me!

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minir

Agreed in full.

Noevo · Post by **Noevo** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 1:34 pm

CNN reporting that he has worsened. They're (CNN) also citing a report by Reuters that The Pope has died, say they're working on confirmation.

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 1:34 pm

Noevo wrote:CNN reporting that he has worsened. They're (CNN) also citing a report by Reuters that The Pope has died, say they're working on confirmation.

I'm hearing the same thing, apparently Fox has already reported he has died. CNN trying to confirm.

Noevo · Post by **Noevo** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 2:09 pm

stupid news people, stupid people who read stupid news people...

Vatican denies report that Pope is dead. I give. tried to give a newsworthy update and fell for death obsessed journalism.

brembo · Post by **brembo** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 2:26 pm

Noevo wrote:stupid news people, stupid people who read stupid news people...

Vatican denies report that Pope is dead. I give. tried to give a newsworthy update and fell for death obsessed journalism.

The Vatican is weird about this stuff. Italian news is reporting that the Pope is no more tho.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 2:28 pm

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 2:34 pm

Noevo wrote:stupid news people, stupid people who read stupid news people...

Vatican denies report that Pope is dead. I give. tried to give a newsworthy update and fell for death obsessed journalism.

Hey even a Monsingior just announced to a big crowd of people he died...then 20 mins later took it back! What a mess.

Pie

Noevo · Post by **Noevo** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 2:34 pm

heh, idiotic post walkin'

I forget about timezones occasionally

minir · Post by **minir** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 2:41 pm

Brent

There is a time and place for everything. This was neither the time nor the place imho.

My prior comments to you stand.

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minir

minir · Post by **minir** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 2:54 pm

Hi nepenthe

I agree that it was not his words David, however imho this was not the time for such a post as he made.

As to the Catholic Church, there is no question of its having a dark past at times and its complicity in some events that would be hard to justify. That said, in recent time they have made an honest effort to change in many ways and the present Pope has a sterling reputation for leading the way towards a more tolerant view on all Religions and His work for Peace has been enormous.

In Brents case had this been a one time situation one could attempt to understand, however as we all know this is an all too frequent happening.

Being a Christian to me at least means showing some respect for others and their beliefs.

The current News does not sound good for the Pope and it will be a tremendous loss to the Church, but also the World in general, as He was much more than a leader in the Catholic Faith.

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regards

minir

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 3:27 pm

minir wrote:Hi nepenthe

I agree that it was not his words David, however imho this was not the time for such a post as he made.

Minir
Don't let it get to you. I know some people are just plain annoying but its not worth the time or trouble.

Pie

minir · Post by **minir** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 3:42 pm

thepieman wrote:Minir
Don't let it get to you. I know some people are just plain annoying but its not worth the time or trouble.

Pie

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Hi thepieman

It simply saddens me thepieman when someone professes to be a devout Christian and yet constantly comes down on others whose beliefs differ from his. How uncharitable is that.

It must be difficult to go through life using a Cornerstone of Faith based on Intolerance, prejudice, hatred and envy. How one using those values can call themselves Christian is simply beyond me.

Thanks for your kindness thepieman

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regards

minir

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 3:46 pm

minir wrote:--

Hi thepieman

It simply saddens me thepieman when someone professes to be a devout Christian and yet constantly comes down on others whose beliefs differ from his. How uncharitable is that.
It must be difficult to go through life using a Cornerstone of Faith based on Intolerance, prejudice, hatred and envy. How one using those values can call themselves Christian is simply beyond me.
Thanks for your kindness thepieman
regards

minir

A great man once said "Father , Forgive them for they know not what they do"

Pie

Joint Chiefs of Staff · Fri Apr 01, 2005 3:46 pm

A few friends of mine are dragging me to church tomorrow evening. Outside of weddings or funerals it's been 17 years since I've actually attended service. I have a lot to pray for these days and John Paul will on that list.

Spammy · Post by **Spammy** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 3:48 pm

Joint Chiefs of Staff wrote:A few friends of mine are dragging me to church tomorrow evening. Outside of weddings or funerals it's been 17 years since I've actually attended service. I have a lot to pray for these days and John Paul will on that list.

You are making me so Proud

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 3:50 pm

Spammy wrote:You are making me so Proud

He's wearing rubber soles...so he's safe. Hes fully grounded.

Pie

Spammy · Post by **Spammy** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 3:51 pm

thepieman wrote:He's wearing rubber soles...so he's safe. Hes fully grounded.

Pie

minir · Post by **minir** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 3:59 pm

thepieman wrote:A great man once said "Father , Forgive them for they know not what they do"

Pie

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minir

Joint Chiefs of Staff · Fri Apr 01, 2005 4:02 pm

thepieman wrote:He's wearing rubber soles...so he's safe. Hes fully grounded.

Pie

Man you couldn't have been more dead on. Sammy and I was just chatting about that no more than an hour ago. I prefer the stop, drop and roll method myself.

Spammy · Post by **Spammy** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 4:03 pm

Joint Chiefs of Staff wrote:Man you couldn't have been more dead on. Sammy and I was just chatting about that no more than an hour ago. I prefer the stop, drop and roll method myself.