a serious question to you bush supporters,

Mehmet · Post by **Mehmet** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 9:35 pm

I'm not trying to start a flame-war, i'm just trying to understand HOW you think he can STILL be a good president after all that has happened?

for example:

the deficit, (what is it now, 8 trillion?)

the non existant WOMD,

Osama still out there,

Social security has been sh*tted on,

Facts that are skewed ("he forgot poland," no, poland went in a few months after the "Grand coalition" went in, and they didn't send a combat force).

A constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage (marriage is something the states are supposed to take care of, folks.)

a thousand+ troops dead

Afghanistan is still in the ditch.

Public education has also been sh*tted on because of the deficit.

etc etc.

So, WHY do you W supporters think that he can still do the job given the events that have happened the last 4 years?

jdmcrx · Post by **jdmcrx** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 9:38 pm

because it is better then kerry.
matt

Bouncer · Post by **Bouncer** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 9:44 pm

jdmcrx wrote:because it is better then kerry.
matt

Isn't that a bit like saying the accommodations are better on the Titanic than on the lifeboat?

Regards,
-Bouncer-

Mehmet · Post by **Mehmet** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 9:44 pm

jdmcrx wrote:because it is better then kerry.
matt

It as in BushCo? **** Cheney and haliburton? "The price IS right."

Tell me what kerry has done that you think makes him worse than bush?

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 9:52 pm

This forum is FULL of reasons why we Bush supporters have his back, no need for another, use the search button.

Brk · Post by **Brk** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 9:53 pm

Prey521 wrote:This forum is FULL of reasons why we Bush supporters have his back, no need for another, use the search button.

Seriously.

This is nothing more than a purposely-planted lightning rod.

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 10:04 pm

Cause I'm a Bush man, not a Kerry fairy.

CiscoKid · Post by **CiscoKid** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 10:07 pm

Brent wrote:deleted -B-.

Must you resort to personal attacks against Kerry supporters?

Brk · Post by **Brk** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 10:08 pm

CiscoKid wrote:Must you resort to personal attacks against Kerry supporters?

It's only personal if you take it that way.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 10:08 pm

CiscoKid wrote:Must you resort to personal attacks against Kerry supporters?

Are you for real?

Bouncer · Post by **Bouncer** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 10:11 pm

I've removed the incidiary comments. If it keeps up I will lock the thread.

Regards,
-Bouncer-

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 10:14 pm

LOL and the funny part is I saw that on a bumper sticker!

Funny it got deleted

Jon · Post by **Jon** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 10:15 pm

two or three threads down Bush supporters are called dumb and this is allowed to say for many hours now and what Brent posted is deleted.

truly unbelievable!

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 10:15 pm

Jon wrote:two or three threads down Bush supporters are called dumb and this is allowed to say for many hours now and what Brent posted is deleted.

truly unbelievable!

entertaining though!

Jon · Post by **Jon** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 10:17 pm

Brent wrote:entertaining though!

not the word I would of used but yeah it is entertaining in its own way I guess

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 10:19 pm

Bush has conviction, believes in what he does and follows through. While yes he is not the best president we ever had (Ronald was the best of the 20th centruy IMO), for the hand he was dealt after taking over from Clinton with the economy already going downhill, then 9-11, 9 months after, I think he is doing a superb job on the economy and terrorist front as much as anyone can. He is surrounded by good people in his administration so he is not in it alone such as Powell.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 10:19 pm

Jon wrote:two or three threads down Bush supporters are called dumb and this is allowed to say for many hours now and what Brent posted is deleted.

truly unbelievable!

And this surprises you?

Jon · Post by **Jon** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 10:20 pm

Prey521 wrote:And this surprises you?

you are correct, I should expect nothing less.

Bouncer · Post by **Bouncer** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 10:21 pm

Link to thread? Show me where it is and I'll deal with it. I didn't see it, but then I just got back from having a home made fried chicken dinner.

Regards,
-Bouncer-

Jon · Post by **Jon** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 10:23 pm

Bouncer,

It really does not matter, the post is a least a day old, hell it was even bumped in an attempt to start a flaming war.

Bouncer · Post by **Bouncer** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 10:30 pm

Okieodoke. Understand I am willing to deal with this stuff from either side of the aisle, but I need to know about it to do so, and I simply cannot camp the boards. If you report the post, myself or someone else WILL look into it. That's all we can do. But we do need these threads reported, otherwise it might slip by, and that makes people think we're taking sides.

Regards,
-Bouncer-

Leatherneck · Post by **Leatherneck** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 11:00 pm

Mehmet wrote:I'm not trying to start a flame-war, i'm just trying to understand HOW you think he can STILL be a good president after all that has happened?

for example:

the deficit, (what is it now, 8 trillion?)

the non existant WOMD,

Osama still out there,

Social security has been sh*tted on,

Facts that are skewed ("he forgot poland," no, poland went in a few months after the "Grand coalition" went in, and they didn't send a combat force).

A constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage (marriage is something the states are supposed to take care of, folks.)

a thousand+ troops dead

Afghanistan is still in the ditch.

Public education has also been sh*tted on because of the deficit.

etc etc.

So, WHY do you W supporters think that he can still do the job given the events that have happened the last 4 years?

A good majority of democrats have lost their noble vision. I see way to much hatred and thirst for power. Of course I realize that "any" Politician be it Democrat or Republican can certainly fit that bill, but I see it more in the Liberal camp. As far as the statement about Public eduacation, that's been headed for the crapper long before any Bush held the office of the President.

Things are getting worse in the USA, doesn't seem difficult to understand to me. Population increase, Greedy corporations, Millions upon Millions of Illegal Aliens & Federal Government-dependant capables, a general lack of decency and respect to each other, addictions to dope, alchohol, pornography, self mutilation, killing babies due to irresponsible sex and YES, a serious lack of morality. It isn't going to "Get Better".

The only way to thrive starts with 1 single individual taking complete responsibility for his or her actions. That would change the world like no President, treaty, commision, program, law or anything else could.

No, I just don't see us holding hands in a love chain singing "Give Peace a Chance" or "Anyone but Bush" making all the bad stuff go away.

Kyle · Post by **Kyle** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 11:21 pm

Let's not forget... we're STILL one of the LAST developed countries in the world without government provided healthcare... Not only a developed country but THE BIGGEST IN THE WORLD PEOPLE! Come on...

Mehmet · Post by **Mehmet** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 11:23 pm

bigmo66 wrote:A good majority of democrats have lost their noble vision. I see way to much hatred and thirst for power. Of course I realize that "any" Politician be it Democrat or Republican can certainly fit that bill, but I see it more in the Liberal camp. As far as the statement about Public eduacation, that's been headed for the crapper long before any Bush held the office of the President.

Things are getting worse in the USA, doesn't seem difficult to understand to me. Population increase, Greedy corporations, Millions upon Millions of Illegal Aliens & Federal Government-dependant capables, a general lack of decency and respect to each other, addictions to dope, alchohol, pornography, self mutilation, killing babies due to irresponsible sex and YES, a serious lack of morality. It isn't going to "Get Better".

The only way to thrive starts with 1 single individual taking complete responsibility for his or her actions. That would change the world like no President, treaty, commision, program, law or anything else could.

No, I just don't see us holding hands in a love chain singing "Give Peace a Chance" or "Anyone but Bush" making all the bad stuff go away.

the way i see it, we are all f*cked within the next 10 years.

But, about the 1 individual thing, bush still wants to do the things he keeps doing, he said this in the debate and in his campaign trail (ie cut taxes for the wealthy, which, normal non-m/billionare people have to pick up the tab for). I just don't get bush's vision, if it didn't work once, it's not going to work again. His father tried a bunch of stuff he tried, and it didn't work. Like father like son.

Bush has conviction, believes in what he does and follows through. While yes he is not the best president we ever had (Ronald was the best of the 20th centruy IMO), for the hand he was dealt after taking over from Clinton with the economy already going downhill, then 9-11, 9 months after, I think he is doing a superb job on the economy and terrorist front as much as anyone can. He is surrounded by good people in his administration so he is not in it alone such as Powell.

Dude, we had a 5 trillion+ surplus when clinton left office. In fact, we had 2 billion reserved for Social security, all of it plus more is GONE.

Also, if you think he is surrounded by good people... uh, dude, **** cheney owns haliburton and haliburton is one of the contractors to "rebuild" iraq. Am i the only one who sees something wrong with this? Powell just seems to be the person to wipe up after bush's rampages.

We spent billions to go to send a hunk of metal to mars during an economic crisis. Something is wrong here.

Seriously.

This is nothing more than a purposely-planted lightning rod.

Go complain about something on your site burke.

poptom · Post by **poptom** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 1:13 am

Kyler1 wrote:Let's not forget... we're STILL one of the LAST developed countries in the world without government provided healthcare... Not only a developed country but THE BIGGEST IN THE WORLD PEOPLE! Come on...

Hopefully it will stay that way but, if that's what you want, write your congressman.

ssddyakno · Post by **ssddyakno** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 1:22 am

Regarding social security...

What do you suggest Bush or ANYBODY do? Back when the program was originally implemented, the ratio of people contributing to people on social security was about 20 times smaller than it is today. That is not due to any particular administration. That is the nature of the beast.

The_Lurker · Post by **The_Lurker** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 1:47 am

Kyler1 wrote:Let's not forget... we're STILL one of the LAST developed countries in the world without government provided healthcare... Not only a developed country but THE BIGGEST IN THE WORLD PEOPLE! Come on...

I have been forced to use the NHS in the U.K. . let me tell you, our private system here is leaps and bounds better.

the private medical sector in the U.K. is growing due to people refusing to use the NHS. relatives of mine go to France to get private medical care that they can't get in the UK in a timely fashion.

Mark · Post by **Mark** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 5:36 am

Mehmet wrote:..............Dude, we had a 5 trillion+ surplus when clinton left office. In fact, we had 2 billion reserved for Social security, all of it plus more is GONE..............

that was only assumeing that his plan worked for something like 10 years i beleive, we have always had a debt.

vc_wannabe · Post by **vc_wannabe** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 6:57 am

Mehmet wrote:I'm not trying to start a flame-war, i'm just trying to understand HOW you think he can STILL be a good president after all that has happened?

for example:

Mehmet wrote:the deficit, (what is it now, 8 trillion?)
I think our nation is doing fine. Who cares if we are in debt. Go look at a graph and you will see the last year or so of the Clinton Admin. looks like \ and keeps going when Bush takes over. Most likely would have recoverd sooner but 9/11 happend. Then we go to war which is expensive. If you look at the broad picture. Bush has had to deal with something no other president had to. While trying to impliment things he said he was going to do. The nation numberwise is on a upward swing, look at the new job growth report out today I believe. If he can manage this while fighthing a multiple theater war. I wonder what itd be like durring peace time...

Mehmet wrote:the non existant WOMD,
When former weapons inspector Kay reported to Congress in January that the United States had found "no stockpiles" of forbidden weapons in Iraq, his conclusions made front-page news. But when he detailed what the ISG had found in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence last October, few took notice. Among Kay's revelations, which officials tell Insight have been amplified in subsequent inspections in recent weeks:

A prison laboratory complex that may have been used for human testing of BW agents and "that Iraqi officials working to prepare the U.N. inspections were explicitly ordered not to declare to the U.N." Why was Saddam interested in testing biological-warfare agents on humans if he didn't have a biological-weapons program?

"Reference strains" of a wide variety of biological-weapons agents were found beneath the sink in the home of a prominent Iraqi BW scientist. "We thought it was a big deal," a senior administration official said. "But it has been written off [by the press] as a sort of 'starter set.'"

New research on BW-applicable agents, brucella and Congo-Crimean hemorrhagic fever, and continuing work on ricin and aflatoxin that were not declared to the United Nations.

A line of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), or drones, "not fully declared at an undeclared production facility and an admission that they had tested one of their declared UAVs out to a range of 500 kilometers [311 miles], 350 kilometers [217 miles] beyond the permissible limit."

"Continuing covert capability to manufacture fuel propellant useful only for prohibited Scud-variant missiles, a capability that was maintained at least until the end of 2001 and that cooperating Iraqi scientists have said they were told to conceal from the U.N."

"Plans and advanced design work for new long-range missiles with ranges up to at least 1,000 kilometers [621 miles] - well beyond the 150-kilometer-range limit [93 miles] imposed by the U.N. Missiles of a 1,000-kilometer range would have allowed Iraq to threaten targets throughout the Middle East, including Ankara [Turkey], Cairo [Egypt] and Abu Dhabi [United Arab Emirates]."

Both Duelfer and his predecessor, David Kay, reported to Congress that the evidence they had found on the ground in Iraq showed Saddam's regime was in "material violation" of U.N. Security Council Resolution 1441, the last of 17 resolutions that promised "serious consequences" if Iraq did not make a complete disclosure of its weapons programs and dismantle them in a verifiable manner. The United States cited Iraq's refusal to comply with these demands as one justification for going to war.

Both Duelfer and Kay found that Iraq had "a clandestine network of laboratories and safe houses with equipment that was suitable to continuing its prohibited chemical- and biological-weapons [BW] programs," the official said. "They found a prison laboratory where we suspect they tested biological weapons on human subjects." They found equipment for "uranium-enrichment centrifuges" whose only plausible use was as part of a clandestine nuclear-weapons program. In all these cases, "Iraqi scientists had been told before the war not to declare their activities to the U.N. inspectors,"

"Saddam Hussein's prohibited missile programs are as close to a slam dunk as you will ever find for violating United Nations resolutions," the first official said. Both senior administration officials spoke to Insight on condition that neither their name nor their agency be identified, but their accounts of what the United States has found in Iraq coincided in every major area.

Mehmet wrote:Osama still out there,
Osama is either dead, or in a box. The moment he turns on a cell phone, uses a computer, uses a radio etc. he is dead. He is pretty much out of command. I think that is why you see Zarkawi or whatver his name is. Doing stuff in Iraq.

BTW, my personal point of view from some pretty good sources (not like cia director or anything lol) but theres a strong feeling that Bin Laden is dead. and has been for a few months.

Mehmet wrote:Social security has been sh*tted on,
Currently Social Security takes in more than enough money to pay benefits. The Social Security Surplus is estimated to reach $3.0 trillion by the year 2018. Unfortunately, the entire trust fund surplus is borrowed every year by the government to pay for the operations of the U.S. government. The trust fund is made up of special interest bearing federal bonds (currently whose average yield is 9.5 percent) which are non-callable and have no maturity date. They are backed by the faith that future generations of U.S. citizens will continue to pay into the fund at a sufficient rate to meet the benefits due the Social Security beneficiaries. If the money going out to pay benefits ever starts to exceed the money coming into the trust fund then eventually the trust fund will have to make up the difference. If, and only if, the economy limps along at about one half the annual rate of growth (1.7 percent) of the previous 30 years will the money collected be less than the money needed to pay the benefits.

Mehmet wrote:Facts that are skewed ("he forgot poland," no, poland went in a few months after the "Grand coalition" went in, and they didn't send a combat force).
I think Poland had special forces on the ground... Not sure. I think he was just trying to say, its disrespectful to act like no one is helping out. Something is better than nothing

Mehmet wrote:A constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage (marriage is something the states are supposed to take care of, folks.)
Legal, Not hidden from public. Whats the problem? If you dont like the vote, get rid of your state's rep/sen.

Section 3 [Amendment Procedure]
This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of the several States, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date of the submission hereof to the States by the Congress.

Mehmet wrote:a thousand+ troops dead
Losses in past wars... ONE BATTLE ONLY

Antietam Battle Sharpsburg Maryland:
September 16-18, 1862

Killed 23,110

WW1

Battle of the Marne
Sept. 5-10, 1914

Killed
Allies: 250,000
Ger: 300,000

Battle of Tannenberg
August 1914

Russians lost over 1 million people many of whom were civilians

Battle of Verdun
Feb. 21-Nov. 26, 1916

Killed
French: 542,000
Ger: 434,000
25,000- 30,000 civilians

Battle of Somme
June 24-Nov. 13, 1916

Killed
Brits: 420,000
French: 195,000
Ger: 600,000

WW2

Battle of Stalingrad
1942-1943

Killed: 1,109,000

6 Battles: 4,898,110 Killed

Average losses per battle: 816,352

just think about that

Like I said these Figures are just from BATTLES...

let me be the first to say I do not want to see 1 person die on our side.
You can not look at it as people, you must in war look at it based on numbers alone... 1,000 in war might as well be a 0... its almost laughable that we took out the former #4th largest army in the world, and to date have only lost that many....

Mehmet wrote:Afghanistan is still in the ditch.
Really? I actually recall seeing a WOMAN on tv who is running for president on TV at a political convention... How many years did it take us to get on the right track? I think they are doing fine.

Mehmet wrote:Public education has also been sh*tted on because of the deficit.
A liberal Site for you to debunk that.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/EDUCATION/11/13 ... scores.ap/

etc etc.

Mehmet wrote:So, WHY do you W supporters think that he can still do the job given the events that have happened the last 4 years?

Mehmet, I hope you at least took time to read what I have posted. As I took time to look into what you had posted.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 7:09 am

Mehmet Im not sure what your purpose is? I know you asked why people are voting for the President, but I don't recall you saying that you wanted to know so that this could turn into a big debate? Your question is valid, but at this point do you think you will convert someone who plans on voting for the President?

I am a rarity. The only person in the World that I know of who volunteered on the Bush Campaign in 2000 and plans on voting against him in 2004. All that said, Im decision to do so did not come from a single one person attempting to convince me.

Leatherneck · Post by **Leatherneck** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 7:53 am

One small thing to remember. Clinton enjoyed being in office during the tech boom by no doing of his own. (Remember, Al Gore created the internent long before that!) By the time it was all deflating and settling down, he was on his way out and we were definitely already in a recession. Over-inflated tech stocks took a dump, companies went bust and it was ugly.

It takes time for a solid plan to come to fruition. You don't build a nation in 4 years and you certainly can't "fix" one in short time either. When Reagan was in office, some of the things he did certainly hurt, BUT as a result, the economy flourished for quite some time.

Everybody wants it easy and wants it now these days. Gimmee, Gimmee, I deserve.... If everyone would get their own, we wouldn't have that huge debt. I have a very good friend in Norway and he loves his country, but he travels to the US continiously and he has told me several times, that our "system" is much better. They take 50% of his salary away. People run to the doctor at the first sniffle and take advantage of the social medicine any way they can.

We are pretty spoiled and spoiled people gripe. I've had the pleasure (and displeasure) of world travel in my 20+ years in the Corps and I say we got it pretty darn good.

fastchevy · Post by **fastchevy** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 10:44 am

Damn good post vc_wannabe

stevebakh · Post by **stevebakh** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 12:30 pm

The_Lurker wrote:I have been forced to use the NHS in the U.K. . let me tell you, our private system here is leaps and bounds better.

the private medical sector in the U.K. is growing due to people refusing to use the NHS. relatives of mine go to France to get private medical care that they can't get in the UK in a timely fashion.

You couldn't be more wrong. A long while back the NHS was good. The problem now is that government funding is lacking, as it is in other public sectors such as education - and the private sector is also killing the NHS. Doctors earn more working privately, so they do so.

If I had power in the matter, private groups would be unable to take over key public programs like healthcare and education. But leave it to the current administration and they're simply playing tag-team take down on the NHS.

Besides, the idea is noble and still the best way. Everyone should have access to healthcare, not only the paying. Even if you believe the UK healthcare system is sub-par (which I agree, but believe is caused by current affairs), then you can look to Europe for examples of free healthcare that is superb. Check out Sweden for example.

Jenny · Post by **Jenny** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 12:41 pm

I am not trying to be rude, but out of all of the bush/kerry threads on sg you could have aswered that question yourself by searching the forum, as others have said... This thread could go on and on... It would be like me asking you,
how can you seriously support Kerry..... Because you think he is the better choice for whatever reason. Right?
I for one believe Pres. Bush is the better choice... thats is why I will vote for Bush, not Kerry.

master7 · Post by **master7** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 12:53 pm

I ate some Chinese food today. it was really good.
go vc!

Jenny · Post by **Jenny** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 12:55 pm

Mmmmm Chinese food sounds good right now!! (stomach growls)

RicRogue · Post by **RicRogue** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 1:03 pm

bigmo66 wrote:A good majority of democrats have lost their noble vision. I see way to much hatred and thirst for power. Of course I realize that "any" Politician be it Democrat or Republican can certainly fit that bill, but I see it more in the Liberal camp. As far as the statement about Public eduacation, that's been headed for the crapper long before any Bush held the office of the President.

Things are getting worse in the USA, doesn't seem difficult to understand to me. Population increase, Greedy corporations, Millions upon Millions of Illegal Aliens & Federal Government-dependant capables, a general lack of decency and respect to each other, addictions to dope, alchohol, pornography, self mutilation, killing babies due to irresponsible sex and YES, a serious lack of morality. It isn't going to "Get Better".

The only way to thrive starts with 1 single individual taking complete responsibility for his or her actions. That would change the world like no President, treaty, commision, program, law or anything else could.

No, I just don't see us holding hands in a love chain singing "Give Peace a Chance" or "Anyone but Bush" making all the bad stuff go away.

Kind of reads like the book "Revelation"

Here's to hoping

Ken · Post by **Ken** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 2:37 pm

Basically what BigMo was saying... In truth, people often do not realize that there are immediate effects and long term effects, of a Presidents actions...
Many results of a President's actions are not felt until long after that President has left office and replaced by another. Of course, if those results are good, the new Pres is praised and given credit, if bad, well, the new Pres is bad... Some things take many, many years before the true results and effects are felt...

Some of the items such as Social Security have been rather doomed from the start. When it was enacted, I believe the ratio of people working vs people drawing was something like 36:1, meaning 36 people working to cover 1 person drawing it... I believe, in 1990, the ratio was down to something like 3:1, 3 people working to pay 1 person drawing... Again, it was doomed from the start and took many years before this was obvious...
So you see, the short term was great, way back when, but it is finally catching up now...

(I have pulled the above numbers from memory, however, they shouldn't be far off...)

The deficit... Federal Debt, Federal Deficit... Many talk about it, most have no clue to what it is... In truth, there is no overall agreement among the top economists on how to truly measure it... Add Congress to the equation, let them add SS to it and then take it out again in later years... How can it be compared when how it is established changes... What it is based on has been changed numerous times... End result: Apples to Oranges...

Many social programs have been enacted, yet people never realize where this money comes from... You see, to add a new program, you must either: A) Raise taxes or B) cut funding from another program... You can't magically print more money as many people believe...

People often believe what they hear, and even more so, what they choose to believe... This never changes the facts, merely how a person "chooses" to view them...

I have little faith in Politicians in general. Typically they are all puppets, somewhat tied to their parties beliefs, realistically relying on their advisors and the info they are given... They will tell you anything to get into office. Even if their intentions were good, their hands are often tied by Congress, the Senate and House...

IMHO, the only thing that will even remotely get us headed the right way is a complete audit of every single thing that money is spent on. Then when the true facts are there, make reforms as necessary...

I do know one thing, if I wasted money the way the gov does, the IRS would be field auditing me constantly. Wait, they already do!

hehehehehehh

Loonatic · Post by **Loonatic** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 2:50 pm

jdmcrx wrote:because it is better then kerry.
matt

Bouncer · Post by **Bouncer** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 3:18 pm

vc_wannabe wrote: ...

It's important to cite quotes so we can verify claims. Just about your entire post is a cut and paste.

http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm?incl ... yid=670120

"From their "about us" page:

"Insight on the News is a national biweekly newsmagazine published in Washington by the Washington Times Corp. ... Insight is the sister publication of the Washington Times."

The author of your story is a Republican who has run for US Senate in Maryland.

One SHOULD look at the background of a source you basically repeat completely.

Regards,
-Bouncer-