Hi all, question from the forum newb.

JTMON · Post by **JTMON** » Fri Dec 12, 2003 6:36 pm

How's everyone today? I was just wondering what your thoughts are on the ATHLON XP 2500+ 333FSB overclockability with standard factory cooling. I have that processor and the corsair 512 twinx extreme low latency pc3200 running on a7n8x-deluxe. What fun can I have lol?

TIA for the tips!

Mark · Post by **Mark** » Fri Dec 12, 2003 8:08 pm

try and raise the FSB in increments of 5 or so untill it becomes unstable with the stock v-core.

lock the AGP speed to 66 Mhz and check the cpu temps at full load.

i have heard of some people getting nice overclocks with the OEM cooler and not having to raise the v-core much if any to get 2200Mhz.

my xp2500 needs more voltage to get a decent OC though

TrevGlas · Post by **TrevGlas** » Fri Dec 12, 2003 8:36 pm

http://www.vr-zone.com/guides/Intel/Northwood/

I know u dont like p4's but check out those overclocks.. maybe it will change ur mind ;P

JTMON · Post by **JTMON** » Fri Dec 12, 2003 9:05 pm

Originally posted by TrevGlas
http://www.vr-zone.com/guides/Intel/Northwood/

I know u dont like p4's but check out those overclocks.. maybe it will change ur mind ;P

Nah, the value still isn't there for me

I used to be hard core Intel fan, then someone gave me their 1.4GHz AMD machine and I haven't looked back since.

TrevGlas · Post by **TrevGlas** » Fri Dec 12, 2003 9:37 pm

Well I was talking to mark but lets see one of your AMDs get those speeds

TrevGlas · Post by **TrevGlas** » Fri Dec 12, 2003 9:38 pm

*edit* Sorry mods I'm not starting a AMD vs Pentium rant

TrevGlas · Post by **TrevGlas** » Fri Dec 12, 2003 9:42 pm

*edit* I don't want to start another GOD FORSAKEN AMD vs PENTIUM thread. LOL

JTMON · Post by **JTMON** » Fri Dec 12, 2003 9:55 pm

I saw this posted in another thread as well..the mobos for p4s also cost more. Other than the price of AMD's, I like the performance for that price. Other than that, I couldn't care less, If p4s came down to compete with AMD I'd use both.

TrevGlas · Post by **TrevGlas** » Fri Dec 12, 2003 9:56 pm

You know what you are TOTALLy right... each has their strongpoints... I have bought AMD's and I probably will in the future. It all depends on the mood I'm in I guess.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Fri Dec 12, 2003 10:04 pm

Should OC well. My 3000+ is pretty tempermental tho

JTMON · Post by **JTMON** » Fri Dec 12, 2003 10:05 pm

Originally posted by TrevGlas
You know what you are TOTALLy right... each has their strongpoints... I have bought AMD's and I probably will in the future. It all depends on the mood I'm in I guess.

Sure, a big argument I used to make AGAINST AMD was the fact that they had no overheat protection, but since the mobos do, that's sorta moot. I do like the tiny size of the p4 though.

Cypher · Post by **Cypher** » Fri Dec 12, 2003 11:19 pm

That's a great combo. I hadne at 2.3 on air with an SLK-800 HS.
I'll be buying the same MB for it soon.

JTMON · Post by **JTMON** » Fri Dec 12, 2003 11:32 pm

what's a good program to use to check the temps while in windows. And why is Sandra telling me my mobo temp is 300+ degrees F LOL

Mark · Post by **Mark** » Fri Dec 12, 2003 11:36 pm

Originally posted by JTMON
what's a good program to use to check the temps while in windows. And why is Sandra telling me my mobo temp is 300+ degrees F LOL

300+ LOL, use either motherboard monitor or asus probe, google is your friend.

JTMON · Post by **JTMON** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 12:57 am

Originally posted by Mark
300+ LOL, use either motherboard monitor or asus probe, google is your friend.

yep, LOL, and my processor is 172F.

google is how I got here

I've got both those programs already, cool. Thanks for the info.

Mark · Post by **Mark** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 1:05 am

Originally posted by JTMON
I've got both those programs already, cool. Thanks for the info.

so what are they telling you about the temps ?

BaLa · Post by **BaLa** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 7:11 am

Originally posted by TrevGlas
http://www.vr-zone.com/guides/Intel/Northwood/

I know u dont like p4's but check out those overclocks.. maybe it will change ur mind ;P

great O/Cs
but most of those used LN2 cooling..

saw one modified Promei..

SLK · Post by **SLK** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 1:42 pm

Originally posted by JTMON
yep, LOL, and my processor is 172F.

google is how I got here I've got both those programs already, cool. Thanks for the info.

You better reseat that Heatsink like RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!

TrevGlas · Post by **TrevGlas** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 1:45 pm

Yea dude, those temps will kill your processor hella fast...... also you MIGHT be using the wrong sensor in MBM5.... try switching the temp sensor in MBM5.

JTMON · Post by **JTMON** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 3:07 pm

Sandra said the DMI/BIOS info might be off and Asus probe currently says my temps are:

CPU temp: 39C
MB temp: 23C

TrevGlas · Post by **TrevGlas** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 3:35 pm

Those are good

JTMON · Post by **JTMON** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 5:25 pm

well, so far I got my multi up to 12.5. The problem is that the bios is the only thing that shows this. XP doesn't show any extra mhz. What's the good program to check these things?

TrevGlas · Post by **TrevGlas** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 5:27 pm

Try CPU-ID

or WCPU-ID

http://www.cpuid.com/download/cpu-z-120a.zip

This is what I use.

JTMON · Post by **JTMON** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 7:25 pm

those 2 programs are the ones saying there is no change in the multi settings.

JTMON · Post by **JTMON** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 8:24 pm

so I said screw it and clocked my FSB to 200 then set the ram at 80% so it runs at 200 also, don't quite understand that, thought should be equal if both at 200. Anyways, stable so far, chip's reading as a 3200+ now, Sisoft scores are up, some off the chart, I can't believe how easy that was. Temps good so far, hanging at 40-41 after/during sisoft. Will play some games and check again.

pimptrizkit · Post by **pimptrizkit** » Sun Dec 14, 2003 4:17 am

quote:
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Originally posted by TrevGlas
http://www.vr-zone.com/guides/Intel/Northwood/

I know u dont like p4's but check out those overclocks.. maybe it will change ur mind ;P
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jesus.

did you look at some of the amd over clocks?

i saw the intel 5ghz one. nice.

but i was lookin at some of the amd ones and i dont kno if this is accurate but i did this.

2500/1833 = 1.36388 ... well i then took the mhz that i saw on the site 3257x 1.36388... (being their both 2500+ and ones oc.) i figured it would match the rated speed.
i came out with 4442
in other words a 3.25ghz running at 4.44 ghz speeds.

thats what i got out of it in my eyes.

if thats true those are some damn insane oc's for the barton.

this was also using the ln2 cooling.. what is this is this some sort of refidgrent? like the ac in the car?

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Sun Dec 14, 2003 8:10 am

Originally posted by pimptrizkit
quote:
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Originally posted by TrevGlas
http://www.vr-zone.com/guides/Intel/Northwood/

I know u dont like p4's but check out those overclocks.. maybe it will change ur mind ;P
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

jesus.

did you look at some of the amd over clocks?

i saw the intel 5ghz one. nice.

but i was lookin at some of the amd ones and i dont kno if this is accurate but i did this.

2500/1833 = 1.36388 ... well i then took the mhz that i saw on the site 3257x 1.36388... (being their both 2500+ and ones oc.) i figured it would match the rated speed.
i came out with 4442
in other words a 3.25ghz running at 4.44 ghz speeds.

thats what i got out of it in my eyes.

if thats true those are some damn insane oc's for the barton.

this was also using the ln2 cooling.. what is this is this some sort of refidgrent? like the ac in the car?

Why are you dividing 2500/1833

Its a 1.83ghz cpu at 3.2.

LN2 = Liquid Nitrogen

JTMON · Post by **JTMON** » Sun Dec 14, 2003 2:02 pm

I let it run all night with no issues, rebooted in the morning and it lagged out totally, reset the settings in the bios, still running at 2.2GHz but bumped the core voltage 1 setting to 1.675. Played some games, temp stayed around 47C...

SLK · Post by **SLK** » Sun Dec 14, 2003 3:05 pm

seems like you gotta good stepping

Run prime 95 to test true stability.

http://www.mersenne.org

extreme · Post by **extreme** » Sun Dec 14, 2003 3:12 pm

Originally posted by Rob P
seems like you gotta good stepping

Run prime 95 to test true stability.

http://www.mersenne.org

Or Fold

JTMON · Post by **JTMON** » Sun Dec 14, 2003 7:34 pm

damnit, it won't let me go anything above 200 FSB, even bumping the DDR voltage slightly didn't work. I know it can go faster, maybe I should have got the 3500 corsair lol...where's mytflyguy?

Mark · Post by **Mark** » Sun Dec 14, 2003 7:46 pm

try giving it some more memory voltage

JTMON · Post by **JTMON** » Sun Dec 14, 2003 7:48 pm

Shall I try 2.7? 2.8? Also, should change the mem timings to get it higher? I have the 3200 LL corsair.

JTMON · Post by **JTMON** » Sun Dec 14, 2003 8:08 pm

changed the vcore to 1.775 again

Memory 7 2 2 2
vdimm 2.7v

FSB 210, booted into XP seemed ok, temp at 45C. IE flaked out, rebooted, upped vcore to 1.8, booted into XP, IE works okie dokie, temp at 46 and speed is now 11X210!!

pimptrizkit · Post by **pimptrizkit** » Sun Dec 14, 2003 8:11 pm

is their any sites i can go to and read up on the ln2 cooling?

sounds interesting.

Mark · Post by **Mark** » Sun Dec 14, 2003 8:13 pm

it is one thing to have it boot up to windows, quite another thing to have it run stable.
i would run memtest86 from a floppy to see if the memory is going to flake out on ya.
then run prime95 over nite after that.

just watch the temps when running prime to make sure they don't get too high.

i wish my asus board would go that high, my old revision will not run totaly stable over around 194FSB.

JTMON · Post by **JTMON** » Sun Dec 14, 2003 8:22 pm

ahh yes, Prime 95, aka the portable room heater

JTMON · Post by **JTMON** » Sun Dec 14, 2003 8:23 pm

51% so far already on prime 95, that was quick lol

JTMON · Post by **JTMON** » Sun Dec 14, 2003 8:28 pm

LOL I was posting 54C and I froze..damnit, but Prime95 is the only thing I've seen raise the temp that much so far. I'm 46C idle.

pimptrizkit · Post by **pimptrizkit** » Sun Dec 14, 2003 8:46 pm

my 1600+ with a volcano 7 runs at 44c with folding on and idles at 39c

my fan is average is 3509rpm i think the fan will max around 4400rpm