Southern California Fire (one HUGE ass pic!!)

tHE_0ne · Post by **tHE_0ne** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 7:02 am

wow

qball15j · Post by **qball15j** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 7:06 am

They showed that pic on TV yesterday.

wee96 · Post by **wee96** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 7:46 am

Wow that pic rules! My uncles right under all that smoke on the bottom on in the states (San Diego) he said its like night time all day. That would suck, lots of ash comin down on his property too.

Incognito · Post by **Incognito** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 9:45 am

its devestating to think how many acres are being destroyed by this... soooo bad for the enviroment.....

MadDoctor · Post by **MadDoctor** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 9:49 am

Where (URL) did you get the pic?

TIA

Indy · Post by **Indy** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 10:04 am

Originally posted by MadDoctor
Where (URL) did you get the pic?

TIA

http://modis.gsfc.nasa.gov/gallery/

Dan · Post by **Dan** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 10:32 am

https://www.speedguide.net/forums/ ... did=128797

the 3 biggest ones are thought to be arson.

CiscoKid · Post by **CiscoKid** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 11:07 am

through out history, nature has used fire as a way to clean house. Many of the giant seqias and redwoods are a result of fires.

Don't get me wrong, I do feel for thsoe who have been displacedby the fire. But like they've said on the news several times, that area hasn't seen a fire in over ten years

Dan · Post by **Dan** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 11:19 am

yes true,

but one was caused by target shooting at Pendelton
one was caused by an idiot hunter
and 3 were caused by arson

and either way,with 1500 homes lost and 500,000 acres burned,
and 14 dead,

people's lives are being destroyed.

and also,if we do get some rain this winter,the flooding will be bad.

stevebakh · Post by **stevebakh** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 12:02 pm

That's a good point. Flash floods will get you...

Easto · Post by **Easto** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 12:38 pm

The smoke was so bad the other day my headlights came on at Noon!

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 1:05 pm

Why don't they just put the fires out?

Jim · Post by **Jim** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 1:07 pm

Originally posted by Brent
Why don't they just put the fires out?

Why didn't we think of that?!?

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 1:08 pm

Originally posted by Jim

Why didn't we think of that?!?

with all the technology out there now they should be able to put some fires out

we aren't living in the dark ages, its the friggin 21st century

mountainman · Post by **mountainman** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 1:11 pm

Originally posted by Brent
with all the technology out there now they should be able to put some fires out

we aren't living in the dark ages, its the friggin 21st century

Same reason we can't transport people via Scotty.

The technology isn't there yet.

Duh.

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 1:14 pm

Originally posted by mountainman
Same reason we can't transport people via Scotty.

The technology isn't there yet.

Duh.

So you are saying the technology isn't there yet to put out fires?

mountainman · Post by **mountainman** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 1:18 pm

Originally posted by Brent
So you are saying the technology isn't there yet to put out fires?

Not the way you say it. You make it seem like someone should go throw a bucket of water on it and call it a day.

Do you own a TV ? One fire had over 500 people working on it and they said they NEED 5x that.

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 1:20 pm

Originally posted by mountainman
Not the way you say it. You make it seem like someone should go throw a bucket of water on it and call it a day.

Do you own a TV ? One fire had over 500 people working on it and they said they NEED 5x that.

well then they should get it, there are certainly lots more firefighters in this world

if they really really wanted to they could get the man power and stuff they need to squash these fires fast

we got enough people in this world, we got the technology, so why aren't they doing it?

Dan · Post by **Dan** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 1:21 pm

Originally posted by Brent
So you are saying the technology isn't there yet to put out fires?

remember that there are over 500,000 acres burning at ONCE!
the state is just plain OUT of resources,(like people,planes,trucks,etc)

and much of it is burning in mountainous areas that have no roads to even get to it.

and third,we have whats called "santa ana winds",which is warm air winds that blow and gust around 30,40 knots,that lasts for days at a time.

Originally posted by Brent
we got enough people in this world, we got the technology, so why aren't they doing it?

alot of the delay is government red tape crap,and yes,there are fire fighters and equipment coming from utah and arizona and idaho,etc,etc.alot of help is on it's way
(none from texas though

)

mountainman · Post by **mountainman** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 1:23 pm

Originally posted by Brent
well then they should get it, there are certainly lots more firefighters in this world

if they really really wanted to they could get the man power and stuff they need to squash these fires fast

we got enough people in this world, we got the technology, so why aren't they doing it?

Well, if we sent all the firefighters in the USA to California to fight this:

1) Who would pay for it ?

2) Who would put out the fires everywhere else ?

They just have to do the best to contain and put it down without the forces of the world's superpowers to help. It is the reason we can't just go and "put it out". LOL

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 1:25 pm

Originally posted by mountainman
Well, if we sent all the firefighters in the USA to California to fight this:

1) Who would pay for it ?

2) Who would put out the fires everywhere else ?

They just have to do the best to contain and put it down without the forces of the world's superpowers to help. It is the reason we can't just go and "put it out". LOL

i hate that, BS 'red tape' like that ALWAYS holds us back, it sucks

we as a nation got the resources to squash the fires, but things like money and stuff always holds things back, bah

i hate the way things work

mountainman · Post by **mountainman** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 1:29 pm

Originally posted by Brent
i hate that, BS 'red tape' like that ALWAYS holds us back, it sucks

we as a nation got the resources to squash the fires, but things like money and stuff always holds things back, bah

i hate the way things work

Where is the "BS" and "red tape" of this ? I see none. I only see a lack of money and manpower. Not much "red tape" there.

Objection ?

Dan · Post by **Dan** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 1:32 pm

Originally posted by mountainman
Where is the "BS" and "red tape" of this ? I see none. I only see a lack of money and manpower. Not much "red tape" there.

Objection ?

yes,we had to wait for the president to declare it an official "disaster ",and the national gaurd was not allowed to help til that happened,and they still are not here yet!
and the governer just declared it a couple days ago,and it takes longer than that to get any help,

and besides,with this many fires going at once,every resource is thin.

and don't forget that phone and power lines are going down too,which does'nt help much.

Indy · Post by **Indy** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 1:33 pm

Originally posted by mountainman
Where is the "BS" and "red tape" of this ? I see none. I only see a lack of money and manpower. Not much "red tape" there.

Objection ?

It's not so much a matter of technology (the means to fight the fires are there), as it is a matter of manpower. The wildfires cover such a large area of land that it makes it very difficult to fight the fires, especially when you have weather conditions that weren't cooperating (ie, high winds, dry conditions, etc)...I wouldn't even be able to hazard a guess as to the number of firefighters it would take to contain something like this rapidly, but I would imagine that you'd be talking a very large number of personnel and equipment...

Dan · Post by **Dan** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 1:33 pm

and anyway,what do you suggest they do that they are not doing?

I am sure they are open to your ideas.

Indy · Post by **Indy** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 1:34 pm

Originally posted by teacher.aide
yes,we had to wait for the president to declare it an official "disaster ",and the national gaurd was not allowed to help til that happened,and they still are not here yet!
and the governer just declared it a couple days ago,and it takes longer than that to get any help,

and besides,with this many fires going at once,every resource is thin.

I'm curious, why wasn't the National Guard allowed to help? They're controlled by the Governor, not the president...

mountainman · Post by **mountainman** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 1:34 pm

Hahahah !!!

You are Indy again ? Did I push you over the edge by calling you TonyT ?

mountainman · Post by **mountainman** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 1:35 pm

Originally posted by teacher.aide
and anyway,what do you suggest they do that they are not doing?

I am sure they are open to your ideas.

That was my ultimate question to "why don't they just put them out". LOL

I'm still

from that one.

Dan · Post by **Dan** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 1:35 pm

Originally posted by Indy
I'm curious, why wasn't the National Guard allowed to help? They're controlled by the Governor, not the president...

well I heard it was the president that had to ok it,hence "national" guard?

anyway I don't know for sure then,but I do know they are not in the state helping yet!

Indy · Post by **Indy** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 1:40 pm

Originally posted by teacher.aide
well I heard it was the president that had to ok it,hence "national" guard?

anyway I don't know for sure then,but I do know they are not in the state helping yet!

We might be talking about two different things here...National guard troops are ran by the state. The Governor is the commander in chief of his state's contingent of guard troops. He has the power to deploy those troops anywhere in the state that has problems of this sort. We had that happen here when we had real bad flooding at the beginning of last month. We didn't have to wait for the President to declare a natural disaster for that to happen.

Maybe you're referring to federal funding? Now that would need a declaration of disaster from the President to proceed...

Zilog B · Post by **Zilog B** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 1:42 pm

I think with a fire this large and moving quickly there is a shortage of SKILLED people to deal with it. You put some national guard troops out there with shovels and chainsaws and no training you are going to get a lot more people hurt.

Dan · Post by **Dan** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 3:20 pm

Originally posted by Indy
We might be talking about two different things here...National guard troops are ran by the state. The Governor is the commander in chief of his state's contingent of guard troops. He has the power to deploy those troops anywhere in the state that has problems of this sort. We had that happen here when we had real bad flooding at the beginning of last month. We didn't have to wait for the President to declare a natural disaster for that to happen.

Maybe you're referring to federal funding? Now that would need a declaration of disaster from the President to proceed...

sorry,I thought the NG was deployed by the president,my mistake.

poptom · Post by **poptom** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 10:41 pm

That's an awsome picture.

With the Santa Ana wind blowing our way, it's hot, it smells smokey, the sky is brown, the sun is red, ashes are like snowflakes, and headlights are on during the day. And we're over 60 miles away.

The supermarket workers are on strike, as are the bus and light rail mechanics and the deputy sheriffs.

Power lines are down.
Air traffic control has moved their operations.
Flights are cancelled.
Interstates are closed.
Railroads are closed.

CALIFORNIA IS CLOSED!
Please come back later.