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Originally posted by incrediblecain
I work for a company that employs 60 thousand + people, About a month ago, we had meetings that basically stated that if we can't cut costs by 2% within the next 6 years we'll all be looking for a job. All because of WalMart. Two weeks after that my boss quit. We have to take full advantage of the money brought in so yeah I shop there, help killing my company or not. The way I look at it What is the point of being the best dressed person in the unemployment line?


what company is this? that employees 60K ppl and will be put out by walamrt?? Let me guess Kmart?

besides the big competittors comepteing agsint eachother is not what this thread is about but I guess the mom & pop shops against walmart your company dont sound like a mom & pop shop
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Originally posted by Ghosthunter
Walmart is not a monopoly though

there are plenty of other chain stores out there

Kmart - Target

they are all similar in one way or another


Sometimes they are even right across the street from eachother



Approaching.
KMart is about to go under.
I have yet to see a Target near a WalMart. I will take your word on it. In said cases, how does the Target fair?

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Originally posted by Ghosthunter
what company is this? that employees 60K ppl and will be put out by walamrt?? Let me guess Kmart?

besides the big competittors comepteing agsint eachother is not what this thread is about but I guess the mom & pop shops against walmart your company dont sound like a mom & pop shop


This thread is about WalMart's disregard for the law.... I guess many here are guilty :) .
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Originally posted by nepenthe
Approaching.
KMart is about to go under.
I have yet to see a Target near a WalMart. I will take your word on it. In said cases, how does the Target fair?

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to be hoenst I really dont know the figures and who is doing better, all I know is it creates more compettition which is better for the consumer

I know when I go in either one they area always too crowded for me and perosnally hate to shop there but do it for the prices when I need something

They might not be right across from eachother in a small town, but I know in the big cities over here, like in Middletown or Poughkeepsie, they are all withitin several thousand feet of eachother

just like they are buildign a Loews literraly right across the street from a Home depot in newburgh here...this will be great more compettition..cheapper prices better for the consumer
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Originally posted by nepenthe
This thread is about WalMart's disregard for the law.... I guess many here are guilty :) .



Ok pleaase explain to me how they broke the law?

Not just say lowering prices because that is not againstthe law


Give me the specific law and then apply examples from Walmart on how they broke it.

I am truly curious and want to find out more info.
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David, there is a Target in Saratoga/Wilton that's maybe 2 blocks from a Wal-Mart. The Target, despite doing so well in the past, is doing poorly enough that they're already considering closing it up (it's only a couple of years old), possibly taking the entire strip mall (including a Staples, B&N, etc.) with it (with the assumption that Target was the anchor store there). I'm sure it was just a coincidence that this major sales slump came as Wal-Mart had their grand opening...

Wheeeeee....
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Originally posted by Jim
David, there is a Target in Saratoga/Wilton that's maybe 2 blocks from a Wal-Mart. The Target, despite doing so well in the past, is doing poorly enough that they're already considering closing it up (it's only a couple of years old), possibly taking the entire strip mall (including a Staples, B&N, etc.) with it (with the assumption that Target was the anchor store there). I'm sure it was just a coincidence that this major sales slump came as Wal-Mart had their grand opening...

Wheeeeee....
</lame slippery slope impression>


It is what I had thought. That is what happened to every KMart within spitting distance of a WalMart. Thank you, Jim.
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Originally posted by nepenthe
It is what I had thought. That is what happened to every KMart within spitting distance of a WalMart. Thank you, Jim.
The KMart closed its doors a few months ago (again, after Wal-Mart's opening). I don't know if there is another one in that area, but Engulf & Devour has already done its job.
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Actually not a Kmart but Meijer (Just 216 stores in Mich., Ill., Ind., Ohio and Kentucky.) Not a Mom and Pop anymore. First actual Supercenters Ever. 10 years ago they were the company that were being watched. Now we're being beaten at our own game.
Mom and Pop places still have a chance, people want a benefit fom shopping somewhere. If every resturant served nothing but a cheese sandwich you would go to which ever one

!. Cost the least
2. Gave the biggest portions
3. gave the best service
4. had the cutest waittresses
5. could produce items in addition to the sandwich even at a premium price

Wally world owns the first two.
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Originally posted by Ghosthunter
Ok pleaase explain to me how they broke the law?

Not just say lowering prices because that is not againstthe law


Give me the specific law and then apply examples from Walmart on how they broke it.

I am truly curious and want to find out more info.


Well I again reread the intial post and its link. Evidently, WalMart is utilizing a patented business model (I would need an explanation on how one earns such a patent) that is owned by Netflix.

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Originally posted by nepenthe
Well I again reread the intial post and its link. Evidently, WalMart is utilizing a patented business model (I would need an explanation on how one earns such a patent) that is owned by Netflix.

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yeah i read the first opening thread but i dont understand what they are still doing illegally
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Originally posted by Ghosthunter
yeah i read the first opening thread but i dont understand what they are still doing illegally


Patent infringement, evidentally.

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Originally posted by nepenthe
Patent infringement, evidentally.

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how?

spell it out?

I dont udnersatnd what walmart has to do with netflix? and bockbuster?

walmart does not rent movies by me
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Originally posted by Ghosthunter
besides the big competittors comepteing agsint eachother is not what this thread is about but I guess the mom & pop shops against walmart your company dont sound like a mom & pop shop


I have taken the time to talk to some of the employees at my local target before I decided to shop there. Not only were they happy, but pretty well paid for a retailer check-out personal.

ever look at someone who works at walmart? they look ragged and ripped apart.

besides, big competitors CANT compete against walmart. Suppliers cant compete against walmart.

Did you know that walmart helped inflate the 1990's?? The low prices they offered off-set inflation for the whole freaking country. Because of walmarts cost cutting blood-sucking ethics, interest rates were kept low? Gee, that sounds great; however, what took place to allow them to do that? I'd call that POWER. They are not merely a large corperate retailer, they are a HUGE powerhouse of control that doesnt care about you.

I hope you never work there. I hope you never get injured on the job, cause you're F*CKED. they'll do everything in thier power to screw you.
the National Labor Relations Board has filed more than 40 complaints against Wal-Mart, accusing managers in more than two dozen stores of illegal practices, including improperly firing union supporters, intimidating workers and threatening to deny bonuses if workers unionized. Of those, the board found illegal practices in 10 cases; 8 cases were settled and the rest are pending.
Fact:
The local newspaper in Carroll County, Arkansas conducted a test of Wal-Mart's low price claim. Surveying a list of 19 common household items at six Wal-Mart stores over a one month period, the newspaper staff found that Wal-Mart was cheapest on only two of the items . The lowest register receipt for all 19 items was $12.91. The highest total for all items came from Wal-Mart at $15.86. The Real Story is the high cost of Wal-Mart's prices: lower wages, more imports, lost U.S. jobs, lower community living standards.
Myth:
Wal-Mart's presence in a community generates tax revenues.

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Studies conducted by small towns on the impact of proposed Wal-Mart stores have shown that tax revenue reductions are more likely to occur after a Wal-Mart moves into an area.

A Maryland study showed that in the years following the arrival of Wal-Mart, "town tax receipts from personal property and ordinary business corporation taxes grew but at a declining rate." The study said that "the expected growth in income taxes may have been offset by low-wage jobs offered by the large retailer and by the loss of employment in competing businesses. . . ."
Of the 10 richest people in the world, five are Waltons—the ruling family of the Wal-Mart empire. S. Robson Walton is ranked by London’s "Rich List 2001" as the wealthiest human on the planet, having sacked up more than $65 billion (£45.3 billion) in personal wealth and topping Bill Gates as No. 1
Behind this manufactured cheerfulness, however, is the fact that the average employee makes only $15,000 a year for full-time work. Most are denied even this poverty income, for they’re held to part-time work. While the company brags that 70% of its workers are full-time, at Wal-Mart "full time" is 28 hours a week, meaning they gross less than $11,000 a year.
Wal-Mart is an unrepentant and recidivist violator of employee rights, drawing repeated convictions, fines, and the ire of judges from coast to coast. For example, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission has had to file more suits against the Bentonville billionaires club for cases of disability discrimination than any other corporation. A top EEOC lawyer told Business Week, "I have never seen this kind of blatant disregard for the law."


Likewise, a national class-action suit reveals an astonishing pattern of sexual discrimination at Wal-Mart (where 72% of the salespeople are women), charging that there is "a harsh, anti-woman culture in which complaints go unanswered and the women who make them are targeted for retaliation."


Workers’ compensation laws, child-labor laws (1,400 violations in Maine alone), surveillance of employees—you name it, this corporation is a repeat offender. No wonder, then, that turnover in the stores is above 50% a year, with many stores having to replace 100% of their employees each year, and some reaching as high as a 300% turnover!
NLC interviewed workers in China’s Guangdong Province who toil in factories making popular action figures, dolls, and other toys sold at Wal-Mart. In "Toys of Misery," a shocking 58-page report that the establishment media ignored, NLC describes:



13- to 16-hour days molding, assembling, and spray-painting toys—8 a.m. to 9 p.m. or even midnight, seven days a week, with 20-hour shifts in peak season.


Even though China’s minimum wage is 31 cents an hour—which doesn’t begin to cover a person’s basic subsistence-level needs—these production workers are paid 13 cents an hour.


Workers typically live in squatter shacks, seven feet by seven feet, or jammed in company dorms, with more than a dozen sharing a cubicle costing $1.95 a week for rent. They pay about $5.50 a week for lousy food. They also must pay for their own medical treatment and are fired if they are too ill to work.


The work is literally sickening, since there’s no health and safety enforcement. Workers have constant headaches and nausea from paint-dust hanging in the air; the indoor temperature tops 100 degrees; protective clothing is a joke; repetitive stress disorders are rampant; and there’s no training on the health hazards of handling the plastics, glue, paint thinners, and other solvents in which these workers are immersed every day.

As for Wal-Mart’s highly vaunted "code of conduct," NLC could not find a single worker who had ever seen or heard of it.
Of course, among the unnecessaries to him are the use of union labor and producing goods in America, and Scott is unabashed about pointing in the direction of China or other places for abysmally low production costs. He doesn’t even have to say "Move to China"—his purchasing executives demand such an impossible lowball price from suppliers that they can only meet it if they follow Wal-Mart’s labor example. With its dominance over its own 1.2 million workers and 65,000 suppliers, plus its alliances with ruthless labor abusers abroad, this one company is the world’s most powerful private force for lowering labor standards and stifling the middle-class aspirations of workers everywhere.
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Originally posted by Ghosthunter
walmart does not rent movies by me
Wal-Mart has talked about, or already started a similar business model, but I believe they'll allow you to drop off (and pick up?) the rentals at individual stores instead of just mailing them.

I haven't been to the local Wal-Marts lately to know if they've actually rolled it out.
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Even the big boys like Toys R Us and Kroger are daunted by the company’s brutish power, saying they’re compelled to slash wages and search the globe for sweatshop suppliers in order to compete in the downward race to match Wal-Mart’s prices.
If you can read all that and still not care.

Then I'm sorry for wasting your time.
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Originally posted by Jim
Wal-Mart has talked about, or already started a similar business model, but I believe they'll allow you to drop off (and pick up?) the rentals at individual stores instead of just mailing them.

I haven't been to the local Wal-Marts lately to know if they've actually rolled it out.


and if they have started this business how is this illegal?


Man i dont get any of this stuff

i think people just are envy of others being successful


it is a problem we have in this country unfortuantely
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Originally posted by Ghosthunter
and if they have started this business how is this illegal?


Man i dont get any of this stuff

i think people just are envy of others being successful


it is a problem we have in this country unfortuantely


netflix has a patent on selling dvd rentals over the net on a per-monthly cost basis.

walmart knows this and they DONT CARE.

walmart invested a lot of money to start one of thier own and figure if they are sued, they'll crush netflix like they crush EVERYONE ELSE that gets in thier way.
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Zooner, when I first read this I thought that you were just some paranoid, dillusional conspiracy theorist......but I think that I am beginning to see your point now!
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Originally posted by Ghosthunter
and if they have started this business how is this illegal?

Man i dont get any of this stuff

i think people just are envy of others being successful

it is a problem we have in this country unfortuantely
Netflix had this business model patented, but Wal-Mart went ahead and did their own thing, infringing upon Netflix's patents. Jealousy has nothing to do with it. Granted, that and many other patents shouldn't have been approved in the first place, but they have, and Wal-Mart has broken the law by coming up with their own business like this.

In this specific case, my beef lies not with Wal-Mart, but with the USPTO.
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Originally posted by Prey521
Zooner, when I first read this I thought that you were just some paranoid, dillusional conspiracy theorist......but I think that I am beginning to see your point now!
Bwhahaha...and you people used to mock my tinfoil hats... :p
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Originally posted by Ghosthunter
how?

spell it out?

I dont udnersatnd what walmart has to do with netflix? and bockbuster?

walmart does not rent movies by me


http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/10.12/netflix.html

Evidentally, WalMart will be utilizing NetFlix patented business model. Patent infringement is illegal.

As I said, I do not know how you can patent such a thing.

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Originally posted by Prey521
Zooner, when I first read this I thought that you were just some paranoid, dillusional conspiracy theorist......but I think that I am beginning to see your point now!


thanks!

I'm not passionate about too many things because there are usually two sides to every story.

however, every side of walmart is evil and not good for our country as a whole.
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Originally posted by zooner
netflix has a patent on selling dvd rentals over the net on a per-monthly cost basis.

walmart knows this and they DONT CARE.

walmart invested a lot of money to start one of thier own and figure if they are sued, they'll crush netflix like they crush EVERYONE ELSE that gets in thier way.



cool thanks for letting me know

i might just join up with walmart they are cheaper then netflix if you only take out 2 movies at a time if you do 4 movies it a few dollars more

better for me as a consumer..and that is my bottomline

truthfully i dont know how netflix can get a patent on something like this anyway
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Originally posted by nepenthe
As I said, I do not know how you can patent such a thing.

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I claim:

1. A method of swinging on a swing, the method comprising the steps of:

a) suspending a seat for supporting a user between only two chains that are hung from a tree branch;

b) positioning a user on the seat so that the user is facing a direction perpendicular to the tree branch;

c) having the user pull alternately on one chain to induce movement of the user and the swing toward one side, and then on the other chain to induce movement of the user and the swing toward the other side; and

d) repeating step c) to create side-to-side swinging motion, relative to the user, that is parallel to the tree branch.

2. The method of claim 1, wherein the method is practiced independently by the user to create the side-to-side motion from an initial dead stop.

3. The method of claim 1, wherein the method further comprises the step of:

e) inducing a component of forward and back motion into the swinging motion, resulting in a swinging path that is generally shaped as an oval.

4. The method of claim 3, wherein the magnitude of the component of forward and back motion is less than the component of side-to-side motion.
In other words, this guy got "sideways swinging" on a swingset patented. The USPTO has become a joke by passing this, and similarly stupid patents over the past few years.

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Pars ... /6,368,227

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Originally posted by Jim
In other words, this guy got "sideways swinging" on a swingset patented. The USPTO has become a joke by passing this, and similarly stupid patents over the past few years.

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Pars ... G&l=50&s1='6,368,227'.WKU.&OS=PN/6,368,227&RS=PN/6,368,227

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http://tinyurl.com/38d

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Originally posted by Indy
http://tinyurl.com/38d

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Originally posted by Jim
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Just my observations from the new walmart supercenter they opened up within a couple of miles from my house within the last 6 months...

The nearest store similar in scope to Walmart to this one is more than 5 miles in any direction. It was a KMart that closed it's doors about a year ago. It had sh**ty customer service and the store always looked disheveled and unorganized. No small wonder why it closed. Next nearest same-type store is another Walmart, about 8 miles away in the opposite direction. With that being said, the location that the new Walmart opened up at is now in the process of building up several new strip malls within a one block radius that should be opening up around 20 new stores within the next 6 months. New restaurants, new specialty stores, and a Kohl's department store next to the Walmart. Now, I'm not condoning some of the business practices that Walmart conducts, I'm just stating what I've seen pop up as a result of the Walmart going in here...

Despite the fact that Walmart has a grocery store within it's walls, I still shop elsewhere for my groceries (Marsh, & sometimes Krogers). The only time I've ever used the McDonalds inside the Walmart was when the McDonalds a quarter mile away from Walmart was so freakin' slow (15 minutes in the drivethru with little progress :rolleyes: )

I still go to the hardware store for home improvement stuff. I go to electronics/computer stores for my computer stuff, including software. But I will go to Walmart because there are times when I can't find what I'm looking for anywhere else, or I can't find it anywhere else at a lower price.

Most of the time, the prices at it's gas station are at the same levels as those of another gas station an eighth of a mile down the road. I'll stop at the non-Walmart gas station in that case, simply because it's closer to me.

Maybe it's just the area that I'm living in, but I've seen more businesses open up around the Walmart verus stores closing.
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Bwhahaha...and you people used to mock my tinfoil hats... :p



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You know what I find the most irnoic thing here with this thread

is people are arguing about the monopolistic policies of Walmart...but it is Netflix that tehcnically has a monopoly...ROFL



does blockbuster have a patent on renting video movies? No, so why should netflix?
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Originally posted by Ghosthunter
You know what I find the most irnoic thing here with this thread is people are arguing about the monopolistic policies of Walmart...but it is Netflix that tehcnically has a monopoly...ROFL
What I find amusing is how you're so black and white on copyright infringment, but don't see that way with patent infringment. :p

does blockbuster have a patent on renting video movies? No, so why should netflix?
Again, that's something that has to be taken up with the USPTO.
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really, it's all about the location..

around here, if you want to buy groceries, there are only 3 choices, and that is if you count the Commisary...
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Post by Bastid »

Originally posted by nepenthe
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/10.12/netflix.html

Evidentally, WalMart will be utilizing NetFlix patented business model. Patent infringement is illegal.

As I said, I do not know how you can patent such a thing.

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you cant use the exact same thing that has been patented, that would be illegal...but if you change one little detail, you can end up with the "almost" exact same service, product, or whatever and not infringe any laws...some lady came up with a "new" hamburger sauce, sposed to be just like McDonalds Big Mac special sauce...well it was with the exception of one ittle ingredient...some how she had aquired the recipe, added her own "special Touch" and is now making money off of that
but anyway...free enterprise...
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some of you guys are showing your sellfish side...


Think about it this way.

You own, an independent super market. Now, walmart, sells some of their items below cost, but, some they dont, so by getting the customers in through the door just to buy one item that is below cost, the customers end up buying more than one item, over time (usually a day) this ends up to be over millions of items sold that are not below cost, and walmart makes a huge profit, FAT profit, FAWKING HUGE profit, even though they are selling some (if not most) of their items below cost.

Now, back to you and your supermarket. You cant sell jack squat, because if you were to sell below cost, like walmart, then you will be losing money rather than breaking even/making some money. And people arent going to come to you if they can go to walmart and get below cost.

Wouldnt you be angry if you had to fold because of walmart and their ability (huge corporate backbone) to support selling some of their items below cost?

The consumer sometimes has to sacrifice price so that other people can survive in this corporate world of ours.
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i look at Wal-Mart the very same way i look at Microsoft..... they are a large corporation. HUGE businesses governed by a cold and selfish business eithic. social ethics be damned, they exist only to make money (duh). if smaller fish get gobbled up or trampled in the process of doing so... oh well (the very impetus of the business ethic). there is no room for any non-value-added activity, such as being friendly or being compassionate.



on the other hand, from a personal standpoint i do not like them. they have no social concience (duh), and as a result, they have hurt people in one way or another.




all that said, i do use MS products, and on rare occasion, i have been known to buy something from Wal-Mart..... this usually based on need. if they did not have what people needed (be it very low prices or an operating system with a very large degree of software and hardware support), then they would probably fail as a business.
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Originally posted by Mehmet
some of you guys are showing your sellfish side...


Think about it this way.

You own, an independent super market. Now, walmart, sells some of their items below cost, but, some they dont, so by getting the customers in through the door just to buy one item that is below cost, the customers end up buying more than one item, over time (usually a day) this ends up to be over millions of items sold that are not below cost, and walmart makes a huge profit, FAT profit, FAWKING HUGE profit, even though they are selling some (if not most) of their items below cost.

Now, back to you and your supermarket. You cant sell jack squat, because if you were to sell below cost, like walmart, then you will be losing money rather than breaking even/making some money. And people arent going to come to you if they can go to walmart and get below cost.

Wouldnt you be angry if you had to fold because of walmart and their ability (huge corporate backbone) to support selling some of their items below cost?

The consumer sometimes has to sacrifice price so that other people can survive in this corporate world of ours.


exactly!!

speciality businesses falter. Even BARNES AND NOBLES is having SERIOUS TROUBLE. it's so bad for them that they are reintroducing the classics in hopes of generating some income.

walmart sells books BELOW cost.

How can a bookstore do that?

Yes, these businesses are staying open. How many of them are in the freakin green though.
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Post by BaLa »

Originally posted by zooner
exactly!!

speciality businesses falter. Even BARNES AND NOBLES is having SERIOUS TROUBLE. it's so bad for them that they are reintroducing the classics in hopes of generating some income.

walmart sells books BELOW cost.

How can a bookstore do that?

Yes, these businesses are staying open. How many of them are in the freakin green though.

I hate to say it..but I really dont see how Walmart can put a book store out of business..

Walmart sells hardly any books/magazines...their selection sux....
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Originally posted by BaLa
I hate to say it..but I really dont see how Walmart can put a book store out of business..

Walmart sells hardly any books/magazines...their selection sux....


only repeating what I read in a business weekly mag a while back.

a huge percentage of any bookstores sales come from the top ten best seller list. Retailing giants do carry those books, just not the harder to find variety and speciality books. The capital investment to keep those books on the shelves would mean a huge hinderence of profits from that share of inventory. Unless of course publishers are renting the shelf space from bookstores like supermarkets do, although i dont think that's the case.
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