OMG! I officially hate Abercrombie and Fitch!!!

Jin · Post by **Jin** » Fri Apr 19, 2002 9:05 pm

Those stupid motherf****** b*****d. I want to kick their @$$. Why? Because they made some "racist" T-shirts. It was all about Asians like one shirt had two men with slanted eyes wearing triangular hats. The slogan: "Wong Brothers Laundry Service: Two Wongs can make it white." What the hell is that? Some of you guys might not care but I do. I'm Asian and I find that offensive.

Here's a link:
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Asian_Americans/

Qwijib0 · Post by **Qwijib0** » Fri Apr 19, 2002 9:11 pm

Oh, no! somebody made a pun!

you seen the communith college team mascot on an indian reservation in colo. " the fighting whities " I'm white. I find that funny.

If somebody had a shirt that said "Smith brothers laundry service...etc" I wouldn't take offense. I;d go "good job ye pun maker"

P.C. == Teh B.S.

RoundEye · Post by **RoundEye** » Fri Apr 19, 2002 9:11 pm

I can see how it would offend you, but I find it very funny.

Sorry if I get pegged a racist.

Jim · Post by **Jim** » Fri Apr 19, 2002 9:13 pm

Its offensive, but most people don't see it that way. For some reason, African Americans or people with different ethnic backgrounds are seen as more..."American" than Asian Americans.

I was at Starbucks once and the guy ahead of me was Asian. He placed his order, and the ******* behind the counter said something stupid like "Chop suey! You English is velly good!". I gotta give the guy props for not jumping over the counter and shoving a mocca up his @$$.

Anyway, I hadn't seen the shirts before, but I'm glad AF took them down (although they should've been smart enough not to do it in the first place).

Jim · Post by **Jim** » Fri Apr 19, 2002 9:14 pm

Originally posted by Qwijib0
Oh, no! somebody made a pun!

Its...a little different. Its about the same as if an African American were to complain about a NATIONAL RETAILER selling shirts with a guy in blackface saying something like "Ya like da fried chicken?!"

mikemean · Post by **mikemean** » Fri Apr 19, 2002 9:15 pm

I see nothing racist about it. I understand because you are asian you might be offended. I think it's funny. It's just a pun. A funny one at that.

Qwijib0 · Post by **Qwijib0** » Fri Apr 19, 2002 9:21 pm

Originally posted by BIGJIMSLATE

Its...a little different. Its about the same as if an African American were to complain about a NATIONAL RETAILER selling shirts with a guy in blackface saying something like "Ya like da fried chicken?!"

like I said... if someone made a pun about white folk, I wouldn't have problem. You don't like it? you don't buy the shirt. Protests? c'mon

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Fri Apr 19, 2002 9:21 pm

a computer friend of mine, black guy, use to work with us in the data center, he would always call me Whitie lol

it didn't bother me, he was always makin jokes when he had to lift a computer, or move a box or something sayin "yeah typical opression our people went through" bla bla, he was just jokin of course, but it never bothered me, cause i made jokes right back hahahahah

PC does = teh BS

don't fall into it

take it like a man and take it outside and settle it

jennyshooker · Post by **jennyshooker** » Fri Apr 19, 2002 9:22 pm

Well you should know by now. idiots come in all color's..
They just like to flont their stupidity aswell. Pray for them and you shall benefit. they will perish just like there Ignorant beliefs..
Respectfully
me

Jim · Post by **Jim** » Fri Apr 19, 2002 9:25 pm

Originally posted by Qwijib0

like I said... if someone made a pun about white folk, I wouldn't have problem. You don't like it? you don't buy the shirt. Protests? c'mon

Well hold on, you have a problem with people protesting something they don't like? What else do you expect someone to do if they're offended (whether you agree with them or not) by something like this?

And yeah, like I had said in an earlier thread, whites are probably the biggest group who people can make racial jokes or puns about and get away with. There's no problem calling someone "whitey" (ie, Brent's post), but if Brent were to call him a nig*er, all hell would break loose.

Again, I'm not saying I agree with most PC bull (since most of it IS bull), but some things do cross a line, and I believe this is one of them (even if I am whiter than Conan O'Brien).

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Fri Apr 19, 2002 9:27 pm

Originally posted by BIGJIMSLATE

Well hold on, you have a problem with people protesting something they don't like? What else do you expect someone to do if they're offended (whether you agree with them or not) by something like this?

And yeah, like I had said in an earlier thread, whites are probably the biggest group who people can make racial jokes or puns about and get away with. There's no problem calling someone "whitey" (ie, Brent's post), but if Brent were to call him a nig*er, all hell would break loose.

Again, I'm not saying I agree with most PC bull (since most of it IS bull), but some things do cross a line, and I believe this is one of them (even if I am whiter than Conan O'Brien).

yeah, that's true

see, he called me Whitey in front of other people, and that was fine, no one thought twice about it....

but if i were to call him the N word, even just joking like he was, boy I tell ya I woullda been on my ass and fired probably!

jennyshooker · Post by **jennyshooker** » Fri Apr 19, 2002 9:27 pm

Originally posted by BIGJIMSLATE

Well hold on, you have a problem with people protesting something they don't like? What else do you expect someone to do if they're offended (whether you agree with them or not) by something like this?

And yeah, like I had said in an earlier thread, whites are probably the biggest group who people can make racial jokes or puns about and get away with. There's no problem calling someone "whitey" (ie, Brent's post), but if Brent were to call him a nig*er, all hell would break loose.

Again, I'm not saying I agree with most PC bull (since most of it IS bull), but some things do cross a line, and I believe this is one of them (even if I am whiter than Conan O'Brien).

Wow valid point hmmmm.

Jim · Post by **Jim** » Fri Apr 19, 2002 9:32 pm

I don't mean to go off on a further thangent, but this is the article I was referring to.

White Like Me

Look how white I am. Am I lame or what? Can't jump. Can't dance. Can't run. Can't dress. Can't hang.

It's O.K. I know I'm a pathetic White Guy. I'm at peace with it. In fact I laugh about it all the time. I have to. Black athletes today love to make fun of us White Guys.

Last week, for instance, boxer Mike Tyson had a little fun with white reporter Mark Malinowski at Tyson's press conference-cage match with Lennox Lewis. Grabbing his crotch and using his best prison vocabulary, Tyson challenged Malinowski to fight and then accused him of being "scared like a little white p----" because he wouldn't. In American trash talk today that's three put-downs in a row. Little. White. And p----.

Now if a white heavyweight grabbed his crotch and called a black reporter a "little black p----," he'd be spending the rest of his days playing Parcheesi with Al Campanis and Dan Issel. Nobody, though, demanded that Tyson apologize to Malinowski, least of all Malinowski.

Not to worry, it's cool! Last season Toronto Raptors star Vince Carter came onto the court to discover he was being covered by the Minnesota Timberwolves' Wally Szczerbiak. Carter turned to the Minnesota bench with a smile and said, according to Szczerbiak, "You better get this white guy off me, or I'm going to score 40." (Carter denies referring to Szczerbiak's race.)

Was Carter fined? Suspended? Ordered to spend six weeks in a white-sensitivity workshop? Nah. We're White Guys. What are we going to do, sue?

Sometimes we're not even White Guys. We're White Boys. In his book Shaq Talks Back, Shaquille O'Neal wrote, "If you get dunked on by a white boy, you got to come home to your friends and hear it."

Hilarious! Of course it wouldn't be nearly as funny if, say, David Stern wrote in his book, "If you get outnegotiated by a black boy, you got to go to the country club and hear it." He'd be taped naked to the hood of Jesse Jackson's car. Still, was Shaq rocked by scandal? Did principals pull the book out of school libraries? Nah. Because all us crackers know it's true! If we dunk on you, you really suck!

Besides, anytime you can slip in the phrase white boy these days, it's just damn funny. Now, if you called Jerry Rice a "black boy" or Ichiro Suzuki a "yellow boy" or Notah Begay a "red boy," you'd be begging spare change at a bus station inside a week. But it's fine. We're the last unprotected race, so bash away!

Some White Guys aren't sure it's all that amusing, like Denver Nuggets forward Raef LaFrentz. "When people call me 'white boy,' I take it as an insult," he says. "It's a negative racial term, just like the n word." However, Dallas Mavericks guard Steve Nash says he finds it funny when black guys tell him, "You're pretty good for a white boy."

"Besides," Nash says, "it's pretty accurate, right?"

See, we White Guys know we suck. We hear it all the time. When we hoop, we've got White Man's Disease. When we dance, we've got White Man's Overbite. When we jam, we're just Average White Band. We know if Larry Bird were black, he'd be, as Isiah Thomas said, "just another guy." We know we're supposed to giggle when Charles Barkley says, "See? This is what I hate about white people." He's right! We're all exactly the same!

When ESPN debuted its terrific new talk show, Pardon the Interruption, the preview ads promised it "wasn't pretty." To prove it, host Tony Kornheiser said, "We're old. We're fat. We're bald. And we're white." Then his partner Michael Wilbon, who is black, said, "And one of us is blind." Poor Tony. He's got the big four strikes against him right there. Old. Fat. Bald. And white. Hey, the truth hurts.

We White Guys have faced it. We're wack at most everything. Basically the only thing we dominate now is stuff black people don't have the right clothes to try -- lumberjack contests and luge. But we shred documents like nobody's damn business!

We're not mad. We've come to grips with it. Even when we do something good -- like the three white firemen who raised the U.S. flag at ground zero -- we understand you have to change two of the guys' race to nonwhite when you want to build the statue. Who wants three White Guys hanging around forever?

What, you thought White Guys had feelings?

64bit · Post by **64bit** » Fri Apr 19, 2002 9:35 pm

Plus this isn't "just a pun". The whole Laundry thing is a very typical stereotype against asians. It would be like a shirt with a Chicken&Waffle house and some blacks on it, or a Bar and Some irish or a pizza shop and some italians etc. etc.

Qwijib0 · Post by **Qwijib0** » Fri Apr 19, 2002 9:37 pm

Originally posted by BIGJIMSLATE

Well hold on, you have a problem with people protesting something they don't like? What else do you expect someone to do if they're offended (whether you agree with them or not) by something like this?

And yeah, like I had said in an earlier thread, whites are probably the biggest group who people can make racial jokes or puns about and get away with. There's no problem calling someone "whitey" (ie, Brent's post), but if Brent were to call him a nig*er, all hell would break loose.

Again, I'm not saying I agree with most PC bull (since most of it IS bull), but some things do cross a line, and I believe this is one of them (even if I am whiter than Conan O'Brien).

I'm not at all griping that they PROTESTED. That IS, after all their right. I'm griping about what they protested ABOUT.

RoundEye · Post by **RoundEye** » Fri Apr 19, 2002 9:39 pm

What about the Big Johnson T-Shirts?

Like us white guys are really well-hung....

mikemean · Post by **mikemean** » Fri Apr 19, 2002 9:44 pm

Originally posted by 64bit
Plus this isn't "just a pun". The whole Laundry thing is a very typical stereotype against asians. It would be like a shirt with a Chicken&Waffle house and some blacks on it, or a Bar and Some irish or a pizza shop and some italians etc. etc.

I can see how it may be stereotypical but, I see nothing racist about it. It's a funny shirt.

Noevo · Post by **Noevo** » Fri Apr 19, 2002 9:47 pm

damn, finally a reason to by and A$F shirt

However, I can see both sides. It's easy to find something funny that doesn't offend you. And easy to fly off the handle when something offends you. Especially when others find it funny.

RoundEyes observation however pisses me off. I was told I was hung like a white boy. Thats not a compliment

*hops back on fence*

64bit · Post by **64bit** » Fri Apr 19, 2002 9:50 pm

Originally posted by mikemean

I can see how it may be stereotypical but, I see nothing racist about it. It's a funny shirt.

If a shirt came out that had a black dude moppin the floor and the shirt said "eye's is clean under this here shirt" that would be racist no? Same Basic thing.

Noevo · Post by **Noevo** » Fri Apr 19, 2002 9:51 pm

Originally posted by 64bit

If a shirt came out that had a black dude moppin the floor and the shirt said "eye's is clean under this here shirt" that would be racist no? Same Basic thing.

depends on whether a black or white person was wearing/making money off of it.

*fence is good*

Paft · Post by **Paft** » Fri Apr 19, 2002 9:52 pm

I don't give a flying **** about what A&F makes. Wanna know why?

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Please note: or abridging the freedom of speech. It may have been tasteless, but they can still say it.

Political Correctness sucks ass anyway.

64bit · Post by **64bit** » Fri Apr 19, 2002 9:53 pm

Originally posted by Noevo

depends on whether a black or white person was wearing/making money off of it.

*fence is good*

Ya I think Im gonna hop up there too for the rest of the evening......ah your right nice and comfy!

Noevo · Post by **Noevo** » Fri Apr 19, 2002 9:55 pm

Originally posted by 64bit

Ya I think Im gonna hop up there too for the rest of the evening......ah your right nice and comfy!

racism is in the eye of the offended. not a fair fight, thats for sure. One can't put themselves in the others shoe that easily.

Jim · Post by **Jim** » Fri Apr 19, 2002 9:55 pm

Originally posted by Paft
I don't give a flying **** about what A&F makes. Wanna know why?

Please note: or abridging the freedom of speech. It may have been tasteless, but they can still say it.

Political Correctness sucks ass anyway.

I'm not saying they CAN'T say it, and neither did the government. A company produced a shirt, a group complained, and the company decided to pull the shirts in order to avoid the bad publicity or loss of sales that a protest could cause.

Sure, I'm not saying it should be ILLEGAL to say something like that, but its hardly appropriate for a store that caters to the mainstream teen crowd. I don't see GAP making any "Greasy Wop" shirts even if they can. I think the point was that it was a national retailer doing this and not some small offbeat t-shirt shop.

Qwijib0 · Post by **Qwijib0** » Fri Apr 19, 2002 9:57 pm

Originally posted by Noevo

depends on whether a black or white person was wearing/making money off of it.

*fence is good*

*smack* *smack*

hear that? that's the sound of me chopping down that precious fence of yours.

*whap!*

hear that? that's you on the ground.

What side are you on?

Noevo · Post by **Noevo** » Fri Apr 19, 2002 9:58 pm

Originally posted by Qwijib0

*smack* *smack*

hear that? that's the sound of me chopping down that precious fence of yours.

*whap!*

hear that? that's you on the ground.

What side are you on?

there is no fence anymore. how can I be on a particular side now? we are all just one loving community.

Jim · Post by **Jim** » Fri Apr 19, 2002 9:59 pm

Originally posted by Noevo

there is no fence anymore. how can I be on a particular side now? we are all just one loving community.

Group hug!

Wait a second...who's touching my ass?

Paft · Post by **Paft** » Fri Apr 19, 2002 9:59 pm

Originally posted by BIGJIMSLATE
Group hug!

Wait a second...who's touching my ass?

*whistles innocently*

Qwijib0 · Post by **Qwijib0** » Fri Apr 19, 2002 10:00 pm

Originally posted by Noevo

there is no fence anymore. how can I be on a particular side now? we are all just one loving community.

quickly rebuilds fence and electrifies it with 10,000 volts. Whdt side are you on?

RoundEye · Post by **RoundEye** » Fri Apr 19, 2002 10:01 pm

Originally posted by Paft

*whistles innocently*

Come here, I need you to do me a favor while you have your lips puckered-up like that.

Paft · Post by **Paft** » Fri Apr 19, 2002 10:01 pm

Originally posted by RoundEye
Come here, I need you to do me a favor while you have your lips pukered-up like that.

Aye...?

*leans close*

RoundEye · Post by **RoundEye** » Fri Apr 19, 2002 10:02 pm

Originally posted by Paft

Aye...?

*leans close*

Don't lean too close, you might put an eye out.

Noevo · Post by **Noevo** » Fri Apr 19, 2002 10:06 pm

Originally posted by Qwijib0

quickly rebuilds fence and electrifies it with 10,000 volts. Whdt side are you on?

the side with teh plug

Qwijib0 · Post by **Qwijib0** » Fri Apr 19, 2002 10:10 pm

Originally posted by Noevo

the side with teh plug

damn you.

/me ties noevo to the ground... removes all objects that could be used to cut throught the rope.

/me plugs in fence

NOW what side are you on

Noevo · Post by **Noevo** » Fri Apr 19, 2002 10:12 pm

Originally posted by Qwijib0

damn you.

/me ties noevo to the ground... removes all objects that could be used to cut throught the rope.

/me plugs in fence

NOW what side are you on

depends. which side did you tie me down on? Now I can't make my own decision! the Q man is keepin' me DOWN!!!!

Paft · Post by **Paft** » Fri Apr 19, 2002 10:14 pm

Originally posted by Noevo
depends. which side did you tie me down on? Now I can't make my own decision! the Q man is keepin' me DOWN!!!!

/me releases Noevo

/me builds 50-foot high electrical fence with acid moat

NOW which side?

Noevo · Post by **Noevo** » Fri Apr 19, 2002 10:15 pm

Originally posted by Paft

/me releases Noevo

/me builds 50-foot high electrical fence with acid moat

NOW which side?

hang on. I hafta ask the Q man

Qwijib0 · Post by **Qwijib0** » Fri Apr 19, 2002 10:22 pm

Originally posted by Noevo

hang on. I hafta ask the Q man

/me unties noevo and installes one-time-use simpsons style transporter.... you can stay on the side you are, or take a one way trip to the other side.

XSeaNX · Post by **XSeaNX** » Fri Apr 19, 2002 10:32 pm

..........ok even if this post has flown the coup.....

I hate people who protest...because those are the people that protest about EVERYTHING...one weeks its an A&F tshirt and next week its the fact that some dogs have one blue eye and one green....they get all bent out of shape for nothing.

Ive seen some really bad shirst come from A&F and whats funny is the only one that gets pulled is the one with an asian. yes I know its not right to stereotype (heh...rhymed) however...everyone else does it about other races...and its not like they made fun of asians....they said they did their job well..."...can make it white."

anyway....its funny how any other race can get away with something like that except the whites....now had fubu put that out it would have been alright...but since a white company did it...its the devil...every rapper (and I like rap) talks about killin people and selling/doing drugs...slappin h0es and drinkin sex etc etc etc. but the first time eminem says something like that the protestors scream... HES SETTING A BAD EXAMPLE...lol...ok...fact is that half the stuff he said he never did....however go on the other side of things..and most of the rappers are popularizing things they DO...its weird how freedom of speech applies to only soo much.

so a black person can make fun of white people on BET a BLACK channel...but the first time a WHITE person makes funof a BLACK person on a WHITE channel and theyre racist....call em the KKK

hell we cant even have an all white show before someone complains that there arent any other races in it...yet a black show gets away with it just fine. I have asian friends...and Ive seen a lot go on in my school...and I have to say from the grand scheme of things....racial slurs break down like this.

MADE FUN OF MOST:
Whites
then blacks
then asians
then indians/arabians (from asia), maybe more now since 9.11
then N americans
etc etc etc

its funny how I can get in line for something and watch someone cut in front of me and listen to them say "oh hes just a white boy, who cares" but they are the same people that would sue me for a million dollars if I talked about them or try to scam money out of ME for something early americans did with blacks a long time ago...I dont owe Slave descendants a damn DIME...hell my ancestors didnt even live here then...plus its not like this generation did it.

as for the tshirt....I wouldnt be offended by it...Id take it in stride and laugh it off....it wasnt bad and it wasnt degrading...hell...laundry services make a lot of money...that and the fact that worse could be said....it was just a lil fun poking...

hell....make it a white thing or something....

Modelewski bros.
us polish people cant rhyme.

(yes Im polish..only half though and no thats not my name)

anyway....if you are worried about a shirt like that...then you havent even scratched the surface....Ive seen a lot worse.

and PC is a disease....its taking over faster than the plague...everyone is worried about offending someone for fear of lawsuits and death.....yeah what I say may not be PC but Im not a politician now am I?

Qwijib0 · Post by **Qwijib0** » Fri Apr 19, 2002 10:37 pm

Originally posted by XSeaNX

us polish people cant rhyme.

(yes Im polish..only half though and no thats not my name)

w00t! go polish people!!

me = teh 1/2 too