Zimmerman acquited

[Humboldt]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/14/us/ge ... wanted=all

Mixed feelings on this one.

[9mmprincess]

same. I feel like we'll never really know what happened. I feel like he should have LISTENED TO THE COPS when they said DONT FOLLOW. But I also feel like Trayvon wasn't an innocent little kid like he was portrayed, and its very possible he saw Zimmerman following him, and... well, there's two ways to look at it.

1. Trayvon sees Zimmerman following him, and thinks he's trying to start crap with him. He decides he's going to **** him up, and assaults him. Zimmerman fears for his life, and shoots.

2. Trayvon is minding his bizness walking down the freaking street (being black and wearing a hoodie - omg scurry). Zimmerman comes up to him talking crap. Trayvon feels threatened, and to PROTECT HIMSELF, decides to attack this "threat". Except this threat has a gun and is a wanna be cop. You know the rest.

I dont even know which version I believe. It's a tragedy no matter how you look at it.

[blebs]

I followed the trial closely. With all the evidence presented, the only possible verdict would have been Not Guilty. People have turned this into a race issue. It's not. There are pot stirrers out there still trying to incite others to arms or rioting. Those are the ones that should be arrested.

[cybotron r_9]

I feel like he should have LISTENED TO THE COPS when they said DONT FOLLOW.

He did, it's evident in the 911 call from GZ, unless you got the transcript from CNN.....

[9mmprincess]

If he didn't follow, how did he end up in a physical fight with Trayvon? Shouldn't he have gone back and sat in his car? Not arguing, just asking.

[cybotron r_9]

If he didn't follow, how did he end up in a physical fight with Trayvon? Shouldn't he have gone back and sat in his car? Not arguing, just asking.

1st, TM started to run off to the back entrance after realizing he was being watched, that is the reason GZ started to follow, IMO to keep tabs on him while the police were dispatched, I've done this myself at work and in my own neighborhood.

GZ went back to his truck, evident by the 911 call telling dispatch where to me him after they said "OK, we don't need you to do that.", and later TM reappeared to confront, he could've just kept going and gone home.

Also, the dispatcher asked GZ to keep an eye on him and let them know if he does anything else.

[Mark]

it sickens me to hear some people portray TM as an innocent young child, they seem to fail to mention the part where he was beating the **** out of GZ MMA style.

[Dan]

I'm just glad it's over,,




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so they can get on with the rioting & looting & burning

[9mmprincess]

I dont think there's been any yet, right? Not according to CNN anyway.

Cybertron - you know someone else said the same thing to me, that he DIDNT follow. I read the transcript once or twice, but it was CNN's version. Like I said above, I don't know what to believe, really. I think both sides were at fault to a degree. The whole thing bums me out. Even if Trayvon was guilty of assault and Zimmerman really did feel threatened and worried for his life, and was justified in using deadly force (which I believe is a decent possibility), I just wish people would keep in mind that there are plenty of black teenagers walking around in hoodies who ARENT a threat to anyone. Even if Zimmerman was in the right, imagine you're a 17 year old black kid wearing a hoodie, walking back to your parents home at dusk. You're a walking target. People look at you and think: danger. Which means YOU'RE in danger, all the time, just for being who you are.

Anyway, I'm tired of talking about this case, it bums me out

[Mark]

well if more young black youth just acted in a decent manner, than they wouldn't be suspect, i mean most of the inmate population is black.

by no means am i saying that black people in general are criminals, but some of them do make it harder on the whole population by acting like idiots.

[9mmprincess]

well if more young black youth just acted in a decent manner, than they wouldn't be suspect, i mean most of the inmate population is black.

by no means am i saying that black people in general are criminals, but some of them do make it harder on the whole population by acting like idiots.

There's millions of white inmates too, though. Why don't we freak when a white boy in a hoodie walks down the street?

And the fact that many young black men commit crimes still doesn't change the fact that an straight A, honor roll student who helps old folks after school is still a target if he's black and wearing a hoodie. he's busted his ass to NOT be a stereotype. Who's looking out for ::him::?

Every young black man is not a threat.

[Easto]

Although by the rule of Law I think Zimmerman is not guilty. I do know that a young man died needlessly. GZ had no reason other than bravado than to initiate the contact which led to the ultimate conclusion.

I see no reason to directly conftron TM unless he was in the process of committing a crime. As said, the rule of Law makes GZ not guilty. But I'm sure it will weigh on his soul throughout the years. All he needed to do was wait for the police.

[cybotron r_9]

I dont think there's been any yet, right? Not according to CNN anyway.

Cybertron - you know someone else said the same thing to me, that he DIDNT follow. I read the transcript once or twice, but it was CNN's version. Like I said above, I don't know what to believe, really. I think both sides were at fault to a degree. The whole thing bums me out. Even if Trayvon was guilty of assault and Zimmerman really did feel threatened and worried for his life, and was justified in using deadly force (which I believe is a decent possibility), I just wish people would keep in mind that there are plenty of black teenagers walking around in hoodies who ARENT a threat to anyone. Even if Zimmerman was in the right, imagine you're a 17 year old black kid wearing a hoodie, walking back to your parents home at dusk. You're a walking target. People look at you and think: danger. Which means YOU'RE in danger, all the time, just for being who you are.

Anyway, I'm tired of talking about this case, it bums me out

Yah, it's a tragedy for sure and I'm tired too.

I'm not saying GZ didn't follow TM at all, just saying that when he was told "OK, we don't need you to do that." IMO he stopped and went back to his truck and waited to meet with police who were being dispatched.

I think the whole "black kids are scared to go out now" is BS.

This wasn't about profiling a black kid in a hoody, it was about profiling a suspicious person, walking in the rain looking at houses in a neighborhood which had some previous break-ins.

If the shoe fits.

[YARDofSTUF]

Didn't really follow the case, seemed like a lot of hearsay when it started getting news coverage, guess it stayed that way.

[RaisinCain]

I'm just glad it's over,,




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so they can get on with the rioting & looting & burning

Yeah because that is what "those" people do. Ignorant statement.

[Dan]

Yeah because that is what "those" people do. Ignorant statement.

you came after me this time.

was that really necessary ? I thought we agreed to leave each other alone.

it was just sarcasm .

everyone else seems to have gotten it.



and YES ! it seems after every major sports win or controversial court case verdict "Those people" seem to do stupid s h i t !

LOL white black yellow brown,THEY all do it !

now.once again,please leave me alone.
do you need that explained too ?

[Paft]

At least GZ can get his ass handed to him in civil court - Wrongful Death and all. Sue him for all he's worth!

[BMED]

Yeah because that is what "those" people do. make Ignorant statements.

"If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon"

[downhill]

Lots of bigotry in this thread for sure.

Then again I'm not surprised.

[YeOldeStonecat]

Whole case driven by the media, GZ was't even arrested right away, that fact alone shows the police initially thought it was righteous.
Only after Jackson and Sharpton followers started chanting that the DA had to go and make a big media joke out of it. I was surprised that the "racism" picked up so much momentum in this case, I saw GZ's picture from the get go..he's...uhm...."not white". All those riots where the TM fans are chanting "cracka" at GM...yet he's mixed hispanic....his mom was from Peru. He labeled himself as a Mexican. Typically Hispanics and Blacks share the receiving end of "profiling".

Evidence that the liberal media ran with this one and turned it into a race thing..they labeled him "white".
Why? Because "Mexican man kills black man" does not sell newspapers.
Yet "White man kills black man" will sell newspapers.

To further fan the flames...they "clean up" TM in how they portrayed him. Showed innocent school pics from his youth. Hiding the facts that he had a long and growing rap sheet..and never showing the "thug pics" of him that you can find on the internet now.

GZ didn't use his head either....he was in over his head, trying to act a bit tough, some kid put a whoopin' on him and handed him his ass...so instead of taking his licks, he pulled his gun and opened up this whole situation. He apparently had a bit of "wanna-be-cop" mentality. Florida has the "Stand your ground" law which allows lethal force when confronted with a threat, even if you can retreat. I am a huge supported of the "Castle Doctrine"...but I will say that the Stand your Ground law can create some gray areas such as this. However, I feel GZ was justified in this....and what happened, combined with Florida laws....he was legally righteous.

TMs thug attitude only worked against him. Any neighborhood watch people have the right to check and monitor any activity in their neighborhood. If I came home late one night and was in the streets of my neighborhood or out in my driveway doing <something>...and a neighborhood watch started checkin on me or even came up to me and asked who I was or what I was doing, I wouldn't go pound the daylights out of him. I would state who I am, point to where I live...and thank them for checking up on things. TM could have said he was staying with his father who lived in that gated community.(he normally doesn't live there..he normally lived with his mother...but that week he apparently was staying with this father after being suspended from school again for a week).

So all of that stuff....I don't know how it could have some out any different..unless it was shown that GZ faked the injuries and bashed his head against a concrete wall multiple times in some way to "fake" the attack on him. TM was probably doing nothing wrong that night, he was confronted by neighborhood watch (remember..he didn't live there....so most people did not know him)...but he reacted in the wrong way, instead of doing something smart like explaining that he was staying with his father...he puffed up his chest and took his street thug attitude towards the person questioning him.

[9mmprincess]

yeah I wondered about that. WTF is a "white hispanic"? That's what CNN called Zimmerman the other day.

I live in SF, I've dated people of different races, including more than one hispanic, both born in Mexico and here. None of them ever identified as or talked about friends who were "white hispanics".

[YeOldeStonecat]

yeah I wondered about that. WTF is a "white hispanic"? That's what CNN called Zimmerman the other day.

It's the media fanning the racism flames....to sell sell sell! I've had a deep exposure to the other side of racism too...my first wife was a Latina...she was born in Puerto Rico. She taught me a lot of what it was like to be on the receiving end of racism, and I saw a lot of it, and became sensitive to it.

The media, or those with some agenda, if presented with a 50/50 mix, will use the side they don't like. Or the side which will give the most reaction. In this case...like I mentioned above..."mexican kills black" won't get a reaction. Yet "white kills black" will get a reaction.
Similar to our President...his mother was white, his father was black.......but instead of calling him biracial, if anyone doesn't like blacks...and doesn't like him, they'll refer to him as black.

I can't stand how racism is still alive and used in situations like this. The world is a big melting pot, we're all mixing together...slowly 'n surely, people gotta learn that.

[downhill]

It's the media fanning the racism flames....to sell sell sell! I've had a deep exposure to the other side of racism too...my first wife was a Latina...she was born in Puerto Rico. She taught me a lot of what it was like to be on the receiving end of racism, and I saw a lot of it, and became sensitive to it.

The media, or those with some agenda, if presented with a 50/50 mix, will use the side they don't like. Or the side which will give the most reaction. In this case...like I mentioned above..."mexican kills black" won't get a reaction. Yet "white kills black" will get a reaction.
Similar to our President...his mother was white, his father was black.......but instead of calling him biracial, if anyone doesn't like blacks...and doesn't like him, they'll refer to him as black.

I can't stand how racism is still alive and used in situations like this. The world is a big melting pot, we're all mixing together...slowly 'n surely, people gotta learn that.

What a load of malarkey. It as a freaking news story and a big one.

Seems most take sides here following two sets of criteria.

1. Those who watch Fox news and everyone else.

2. Gun rights fanatics who think that any altercation is justifiable for shooting someone even if you're the one who provoked it.

I won't mention the bigitory from both sides though.. That's pretty evident just in this thread.

While I agree racism IS a thing in this case, Zimmerman's own lawyer says it isn't. Hard to believe considering that according to records, Zimmerman had made dozens of calls to the police and every one of them was a black male.
That phone call also seems to most to be calling Martian a coon although the prosecution labels it as calling him a punk. That won't be much of a difference according to experts if the Justice Dept decides to pursue a civil rights case against Zimmerman.

That said.... I would also note that the jury had no ability to convict Zimmerman as he was within Florida law. Morally? That's for Zimmerman to live with for the rest of his life. I would also agree with his lawyer that Zimmerman is going to have a rough one over all. He probably was going to anyway since most evidence points to him having this thought that eventually he was going to shoot someone anyway.

I would also say that Martin also had a reason to defend himself as well. Too bad he was too young for a concealed weapons permit.... He might have been within Florida law to shoot Zimmerman. We'll never know.

[YeOldeStonecat]

What a load of malarkey. It as a freaking news story and a big one.

Seems most take sides here following two sets of criteria.

1. Those who watch Fox news and everyone else.

2. Gun rights fanatics who think that any altercation is justifiable for shooting someone even if you're the one who provoked it.

LMFAO! Ahh yeah make the claim everyone is a Fox news and Hannity fan! Broken record time! I've yet to see the gun control debate be brought to the table on this situation...congrats on that one. Seen threads on this topic in tons of huge forums with debates going on for over 50 pages worth and growing, hundreds of members participating, and I've yet to see any else broach the gun control topic on this one.

It's media hype plain and simple. You're falling prey to the mis-truths that they're slipping in your cool aid.....keep sipping it!

No bigotry that I see here. Plain and simple...this is a result of todays youth that embrace the MTV portrayed "gangsta" style of life. If todays culture didn't embrace the lifestyle of gansta, violence, guns, drugs....we wouldn't have the problem that we see here, a problem that is perfectly illustrated by this situation. TM embraced that life, there is plenty of evidence out there which is all over Google for your viewing pleasure, that he was into drugs and he was diving head first into the "gansta" lifestyle. Getting into fights, wanted to learn more about street fighting, and wanting to get a gun. This has nothing to do with race or color...this is how many of todays youths are being brought up...idolizing this culture. Doesn't matter what color their skin is.

When I hear of a baggy droopy pant, hooded sweatshirt sporting kid walking the gansta strut at night time....if I raise an eyebrow, it doesn't see a color, it gets raised because it may be a "punk"...and that can come in any color....black, olive, white, super white...whatever. I see kids of all colors of skin carrying that attitude.

And that attitude is what got him into trouble. Like I said above, if he only cooperated, said "Hey...my old man lives here...over on 2020 sunset street, I'm just walkin' home"...and if ZM said "OK...well, I'll escort you home and make sure you get there"...yeah sure it's very Ozzie 'n Harriet way in thinking...but it gets the point across.

TM was 210 feet from his fathers house.

[downhill]

And your a Fox News Fan.

Enjoy your own Kool-aid.

Hey...

As to gun control that's not what I said... but you're welcome to read it anyway you like.


So this is all Martians fault.. He looked wrong and was walking where he shouldn't have been and Zimmerman was an angel just protecting everyone when the 911 operator told him to back off. Whatever.

He's off... scott free.. someone is dead and it's all legal.


That's not a news story?

[Mark]

Lots of bigotry in this thread for sure.

Then again I'm not surprised.

TM called GZ a cracker, so who is racist now ?

nice to see you trolling this forum again BTW LOL

[downhill]

Gotta love a place where if you have a difference of opinion your trolling.. Why is it that only comes from the far right people?

You a big TM fan now?

[DV]

well if more young black youth just acted in a decent manner, than they wouldn't be suspect, i mean most of the inmate population is black.

by no means am i saying that black people in general are criminals, but some of them do make it harder on the whole population by acting like idiots.

Wow, I thought this post was a bad joke until I read on.

[YeOldeStonecat]

That phone call also seems to most to be calling Martian a coon although the prosecution labels it as calling him a punk. .

So this is all Martians fault.. He looked wrong and was walking where he shouldn't have been and Zimmerman was an angel just protecting everyone when the 911 operator told him to back off. Whatever.

Who is this "Martian" you keep talking about?
Oh...I get it..a subliminal joke...got it. Har-dee-har.

marvin-the-martian-warner-brothers-animation-30976023-319-400.jpg

And where did someone say Zimmerman was an angel? I think I quoted him as being a wanna-be-cop...and someone that got in over his head with a physical confrontation and should have taken his licks. Once again, as history has proven, you twist things..and then end with a "you're a fox/hannity fan". broken record...broken record...broken record......skip...skip....repeat.....repeat...

Really..time for something new!

[9mmprincess]

Who is this "Martian" you keep talking about?
Oh...I get it..a subliminal joke...got it. Har-dee-har.
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this cracked me up

[downhill]

Who is this "Martian" you keep talking about?
Oh...I get it..a subliminal joke...got it. Har-dee-har.
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And where did someone say Zimmerman was an angel? I think I quoted him as being a wanna-be-cop...and someone that got in over his head with a physical confrontation and should have taken his licks. Once again, as history has proven, you twist things..and then end with a "you're a fox/hannity fan". broken record...broken record...broken record......skip...skip....repeat.....repeat...

Really..time for something new!

Broken record....ohhhhh kay.... we could say the same with your "liberal media" stuff too but who's counting? No? Tell Sean hi for him and that I still love the guy.

[9mmprincess]

Come on y'all, lets not argue.

[Debbie]

[cybotron r_9]

[Leatherneck]

None of us sat on the jury bench. We were handed whatever was good for "news". I totally agree that by law, GZ was not guilty of murder. Had the trial been for 1st degree stupidity it may have been a different outcome. GZ is a soft, wannabee. He was damn lucky he could draw or he might be dead and most would have never heard of his name. There are likely no complete innocents here, but good lawyers. Killing someone hurts real bad and if it doesn't then you're wrecked. What I don't like is being labeled because I want to live.

[9mmprincess]

^I like this post.


and now for a little happy news. Regardless of where you come down on Trayvon/Zimmerman... all young black kids aren't thugs or wanna be thugs

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/15/justice/p ... een-heroes

[YeOldeStonecat]

Broken record....ohhhhh kay.... we could say the same with your "liberal media" stuff too but who's counting? No? Tell Sean hi for him and that I still love the guy.

Prove it...post up some links where I preach about "Fox" news and I bible thump Hannity?
You can't! That's right...you can't!. Because I don't. The only "malarky" here is your false accusations towards everyone here that they are fox fans and hannity fans. But the funny part (well...only funny for about 3 seconds) is that YOU are the only one that beats those drums at every breath you take, and every letter of your keyboard that you type.

At first it was good to see you posting back here....but then, as each_and_every_damned_post of yours was a "dig" at someone...poking the bear, fanning the flames....making claims of everyone being fox 'n hannity fans. "Who's counting?" you say....we don't have to, you lay it all down when you type, and its very clear. Man, doesn't that get tiring? Seriously...I think the last time I saw or read the name "hannity" was back when you used to post, before you left...and once again, as usual, it was just your blanket insult towards everyone here...that we are all fox/hannity fans.

This tragedy has nothing to do with politics, dunno why you insist on dragging that into it. Guess it's the only thing you know. sad really...but..such is life for some people.

[downhill]

Prove it...post up some links where I preach about "Fox" news and I bible thump Hannity?
You can't! That's right...you can't!. Because I don't. The only "malarky" here is your false accusations towards everyone here that they are fox fans and hannity fans. But the funny part (well...only funny for about 3 seconds) is that YOU are the only one that beats those drums at every breath you take, and every letter of your keyboard that you type.

At first it was good to see you posting back here....but then, as each_and_every_damned_post of yours was a "dig" at someone...poking the bear, fanning the flames....making claims of everyone being fox 'n hannity fans. "Who's counting?" you say....we don't have to, you lay it all down when you type, and its very clear. Man, doesn't that get tiring? Seriously...I think the last time I saw or read the name "hannity" was back when you used to post, before you left...and once again, as usual, it was just your blanket insult towards everyone here...that we are all fox/hannity fans.

This tragedy has nothing to do with politics, dunno why you insist on dragging that into it. Guess it's the only thing you know. sad really...but..such is life for some people.

Easy there Stone...if you can't argue without raising your blood pressure, you're going to give yourself a stroke.. You mentioned earlier in this thread that all this is due to the "liberal" media which in reality is kinda funny. MSNBC ihmo is almost as far left as Fox is right. Although I'm not sure they get together with the talking heads of the Democratic party for party line stuff..

That said most news imho isn't left or right except Fox AND MSNBC. As to the news in the states I think you missed the boat in your hurry to blame the mess on the "liberal" media.

Let me explain what you missed. Ever since the advent of 24 hour cable news... the news media is about sensationalism. Sometimes it's good and most times it's bad.

Now I didn't bring politics into this thread. You did. Hey..

I don't know if your a Hannity fan or not but and honestly I could care less but let me give you one FACT... . I didn't bring Hannity into this thread. You did. I brought Fox and I'll do it again in a heart beat. Don't like it? Ban me.

I said in the very first post of mine here that according to Florida law... Zimmerman is innocent.. I believe that. That's the law there plain and simple. Anywhere else and he would have probably been looking at jail time. After all he instigated this. He COULD have stayed put.

However according to you..... he was chasing a punk who deserved what he got. shurgs.. I'm done with this thread. I'm not going to call you names.. I'm not going to insult your intelligence and I'm not going to turn you in to a moderator for political bias.

[9mmprincess]

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why is it a thumbnail? just click it.

[Dan]