Ted Nugent

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:45 pm

Is a douchebag of the highest order. I got no issues with a person not liking their President, but veiled threats directed at the President and comments about cutting the heads off of a group of people? What an idiot.

RoundEye · Post by **RoundEye** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:55 pm

Nuggent sways more towards the extremist rather than the cool ol rock and roller he once was.

Mark · Post by **Mark** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:26 pm

http://news.yahoo.com/video/politicsand ... 83816.html

he was just making a comment about the movie Braveheart, relax , i am sure he didn't mean it the way you are making it sound.

but go ahead and suk obama's dingdong if ya want, the dipshiet needs to go !

funny how people can't see the big picture as ted nugent clearly does.

Leatherneck · Post by **Leatherneck** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:28 pm

C'mon Roody did you watch and listen to him? It was not at all a threat on anyone's life. Yes he is radical but it may just be what keeps this country from becoming the frog in a pot.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:05 pm

Mark wrote: go ahead and suk obama's dingdong if ya want

what kind of statement is that?

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:07 pm

Leatherneck wrote:C'mon Roody did you watch and listen to him? It was not at all a threat on anyone's life. Yes he is radical but it may just be what keeps this country from becoming the frog in a pot.

I saw the whole thing. If Obama wins again what about that would have Nugent in jail? I'm open to clarifications, but I'm hardly the only one who questioned if that was a threat. Nugent has made threatening remarks before towards him so it's hardly difficult to see him doing it again.

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:18 pm

Seriously, you really started this thread??????????????????????????????

It was VERY obvious he was using "chop their heads off" as if he were in the times of Braverheart, which what would have been done then.

Chop their heads off = vote them out of office...... if you can't see that I truly question your intelligence.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:41 pm

mnosteele52 wrote:Seriously, you really started this thread??????????????????????????????

It was VERY obvious he was using "chop their heads off" as if he were in the times of Braverheart, which what would have been done then.

Chop their heads off = vote them out of office...... if you can't see that I truly question your intelligence.

the purpose of this thread was to point out another extreme remark that Nugent made to express his views. admittedly its not as bad as his "suck on my machine gun" remark he made in the past.

I'd like to think you don't share in Mark's support for a known pedophile?

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:51 pm

I don't support him at all, I'm just questioning why you would start a thread over this when it is so obvious what he meant.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:55 pm

mnosteele52 wrote:I don't support him at all, I'm just questioning why you would start a thread over this when it is so obvious what he meant.

My reasoning was clarified. Nugent with his past remarks on a comparable issue is the last person who should be making statements or analogies like that. He would be better served to find a better way to voice his displeasure.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:05 pm

Nugent has made other extreme comments on various stages as well. He makes good points at times but also does go over the line.

Dan · Post by **Dan** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:28 am

ClementeCa wrote:It was not at all a threat on anyone's life

go away worthless spammer

Mark · Post by **Mark** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:58 am

Roody wrote:,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I'd like to think you don't share in Mark's support for a known pedophile?

what are you saying, that nugent is a pedophile ?

that would be news to me, but then i don't follow this stuff to closely

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:44 am

Mark wrote:what are you saying, that nugent is a pedophile ?

that would be news to me, but then i don't follow this stuff to closely

He is on record admitting to having sex numerous times with underage girls and in one known case the girl was as young as 14 years old all while he was an adult. In hindsight the use of the word pedophile was melodramatic, but if nothing else his actions define statutory rape. In the "big picture" as you put it Nugent is a vile human being and not exactly the kind of person anyone should be praising.

Mark wrote:
funny how people can't see the big picture as ted nugent clearly does.

His comments last week along with his past history of violent remarks towards the President along with his own history of statutory rape is proof positive that the guy is a douchebag. I get it that some don't like Obama. That's perfectly fine, but praising Nugent? That's pretty messed up Mark.

blebs · Post by **blebs** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 7:42 am

Nugent believes in the Constitution as it was written by our founding fathers. He is absolutely correct in fighting to defend our freedoms. If your happy with the way this current administration is run amok, where the entire checks and balances system has been compromised, then hey, what can say. I'm still asking myself daily what the hell is wrong with our military leaders. Are they not sworn to defend the constitution against all enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC?

The bigger issue is, this country is not being run by the government, but by the Elites. Until you wake up and realize that, everything else you do is futile. How do you stop someone or more, with so much money that they can bankrupt nations at a time? You can't, hence, we are all screwed.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 7:48 am

blebs wrote:Nugent believes in the Constitution as it was written by our founding fathers. He is absolutely correct in fighting to defend our freedoms. If your happy with the way this current administration is run amok, where the entire checks and balances system has been compromised, then hey, what can say. I'm still asking myself daily what the hell is wrong with our military leaders. Are they not sworn to defend the constitution against all enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC?

The bigger issue is, this country is not being run by the government, but by the Elites. Until you wake up and realize that, everything else you do is futile. How do you stop someone or more, with so much money that they can bankrupt nations at a time? You can't, hence, we are all screwed.

Dear God blebs what's the matter with you? I get that you dislike Obama, but this has more to do with Nugent's violent remarks directed at the President both recently and in the past. This thread has nothing to do with the constitution it has to do with how Nugent expressed his views as I have said repeatedly. Are you actually saying you condone violent remarks against a President?

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 7:55 am

It's called an analogy:

a·nal·o·gy [uh-nal-uh-jee]

1. a similarity between like features of two things, on which a comparison may be based: the analogy between the heart and a pump.

Apparently liberals don't get it, why should they they don't get what is going on in this country.

Roody, if you seriously don't see what Obama, not the Democrat Party (they are starting to see it now) is doing to this country then I truly pity you.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:07 am

mnosteele52 wrote:It's called an analogy:

a·nal·o·gy [uh-nal-uh-jee]

1. a similarity between like features of two things, on which a comparison may be based: the analogy between the heart and a pump.

Apparently liberals don't get it, why should they they don't get what is going on in this country.

Roody, if you seriously don't see what Obama, not the Democrat Party (they are starting to see it now) is doing to this country then I truly pity you.

Your credibility on anything dealing with Obama is already shot dude. The moment you called Obama a socialist and used the bank/car industry as your example and then gave Bush a pass for doing the same thing you lost your credibility. I got no issues with Obama criticism if people are being consistent, but after that response from you it's impossible to take you seriously on the subject because of your bias. If you had stated that Bush was just as guilty in your mind than I could have understood your point even if I disagreed with you about either of them being socialist, but when you are so blatantly partisan your comments just can't be taken seriously on that topic. Having been on both sides of the aisle that's a big thing of mine. Criticism is fine, but be consistent.

Now back to the thread at hand even using your idea of an him making an analogy doesn't take away from the fact it was a violent one directed at the President both this past weekend and back in 2009. I oppose that kind of garbage whether it's Obama and Nugent or Eddie Vedder and President Bush.

All that said this thread is about Nugent making violent remarks towards a President. By all means start up a Anti-Obama thread if you wish, but at least attempt to stay on topic.

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:37 am

Roody wrote:Your credibility on anything dealing with Obama is already shot dude. The moment you called Obama a socialist and used the bank/car industry as your example and then gave Bush a pass for doing the same thing you lost your credibility.

OK Roody I'm calling you out, you are a blatant LIAR, here is what I said:

mnosteele52 wrote:I NEVER backtracked. Bush did not want control over the industry, he was trying to help it. I disagree with both, the government has no business interfering with the private sector like that. Obama wanted to control the industry, just as he wants to control the banking industry (he made companies take money that did not want or need it) and healthcare. All are the infrastructures of our economy, he wants to control them all.

See the part in bold, I DISAGREE, disagree doesn't mean "give a pass" and if you look back at other threads I have condemned Bush for this as well as Obama. So I have no credibility because you say so LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are the biggest question dodger I have ever seen and always try to call out others without ever backing your own statements - HIPOCRIT, your a joke and I have no respect for you whatsoever.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:45 am

mnosteele52 wrote:OK Roody I'm calling you out, you are a blatant LIAR, here is what I said:

See the part in bold, I DISAGREE, disagree doesn't mean "give a pass" and if you look back at other threads I have condemned Bush for this as well as Obama. So I have no credibility because you say so LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are the biggest question dodger I have ever seen and always try to call out others without ever backing your own statements - HIPOCRIT, your a joke and I have no respect for you whatsoever.

You are so full of it I have no idea how you can look at yourself. That proves nothing. You said Bush wasn't a socialist, but Obama was and yet they supported the same thing. I am aware you dinged Bush, but that wasn't my comment. It was your use of socialist for one and not the other. Your statement was "Hell No" regarding Bush being a Socialist for those two issues and yet Obama was. Your partisanship and hypocrisy is showing.

Do yourself a favor next time. Learn to read and comprehend before shooting off at the mouth. As for me I answered every question you asked and you know it and post #52 in that thread is yet another example of it.

As for your lack of respect for me seeing as how you have been caught in a contradiction I can live with your lack of respect. It's not important for me to have it.

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:59 am

Just because Bush supported one thing Obama did doesn't make him a socialist, apparently you didn't read the definition of socialist in the other thread because everything Obama has done and is doing is following the path of Socialism, not to mention every single influential person in Obama's life has been either a Socialist, Marxist, extreme radical etc. You haven't answer anything I asked you, where is the answer to this:

mnosteele52 wrote:Ok, explain his associations with Bill Ayers, Jeremiah Wright, Al-Mansour, George Soros, Tony Rezko, Van Jones, Derrick Bell and the list goes on and on. Seriously explain his relationships with these people, why do you and others ignore these things? It's not a conspiracy theory when he has definitive ties with all of these people, real relationships.

Explain means to make known in detail, I never saw an explanation, if I missed it please direct me to where it is? Your a typical liberal...... deny and start counter accusations??!!

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:57 am

mnosteele52 wrote:Just because Bush supported one thing Obama did doesn't make him a socialist, apparently you didn't read the definition of socialist in the other thread because everything Obama has done and is doing is following the path of Socialism, not to mention every single influential person in Obama's life has been either a Socialist, Marxist, extreme radical etc. You haven't answer anything I asked you, where is the answer to this:

Explain means to make known in detail, I never saw an explanation, if I missed it please direct me to where it is? Your a typical liberal...... deny and start counter accusations??!!

I answered that question in post #29 of that thread and referenced it in post 52 in that thread also. In short, to answer it yet again I don't approve of those associations. Just a suggestion, but next time you try and lump me in with a group of people with the intent to insult make sure you don't undermine yourself with that insult because I answered that question already.

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:13 am

You didn't answer anything, when you do I will respond to your questions until then have a great time living in a fantasy world..... the world according to Roody.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:16 am

mnosteele52 wrote:You didn't answer anything, when you do I will respond to your questions until then have a great time living in a fantasy world..... the world according to Roody.

Dude, are you insane? You asked me about why he was associated with them. I told you I didn't approve of those associations and I had no idea why he was associated with them. I said that many times. I'm more than happy to address any question you have, but when I answer that question and you accuse of me not doing so in spite of links showing I did that is just dishonesty on your part. All I can do is show the links where I made my remarks and even answer it again in spite of doing so many times before.

http://forums.speedguide.net/showthread ... ost2399425

http://forums.speedguide.net/showthread ... ost2399517

blebs · Post by **blebs** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:43 am

Roody wrote:Dear God blebs what's the matter with you? I get that you dislike Obama, but this has more to do with Nugent's violent remarks directed at the President both recently and in the past. This thread has nothing to do with the constitution it has to do with how Nugent expressed his views as I have said repeatedly. Are you actually saying you condone violent remarks against a President?

Last time I read the constitution, there was this thing called "Freedom of Speech", he's calling it as he and I and others see it. I haven't heard him once say anything about violence toward the president other then that he's a criminal, which he is, but he's acting on behalf of something much higher then himself.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:48 am

blebs wrote:Last time I read the constitution, there was this thing called "Freedom of Speech", he's calling it as he and I and others see it. I haven't heard him once say anything about violent the president other then that he's a criminal, which he is, but he's acting on behalf of something much higher then himself.

Nothing wrong with freedom of speech, but make them without all the violent undertones. If he wants to call the President an awful President that's fine, but when he waves around a gun and says that Obama should suck on it which he has done in the past that is completely different.

blebs · Post by **blebs** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:03 am

Submitted by Mark Berman Opposing Views on Apr 17, 2012

The Secret Service said it will investigate comments rocker and gun advocate Ted Nugent made over the weekend that could be interpreted as a threat to President Obama.

Speaking at the National Rifle Association's annual convention in St. Louis, Nugent said, "If Barack Obama becomes the president in November, again, I will either be dead or in jail by this time next year."

It's not known exactly what Nugent meant by this, but this is the same man who said during a concert a few years ago that Obama should "suck on my machine gun."

I think just about anyone can figure out what he meant by that. If not, I'll tell you. He's stating that Freedom of Speech will be history, as will most of what's left of the constitution. The Secret Service (or has it now become the SS?) is already investigating him. Point blank, he is in their crosshairs and Ted knows it.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:20 am

blebs wrote: The Secret Service (or has it now become the SS?) is already investigating him. Point blank, he is in their crosshairs and Ted knows it.

Of that we absolutely agree.

RoundEye · Post by **RoundEye** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:06 pm

I don’t dislike Nugent. I think he pushes buttons that need to be pushed, he just has an extreme way of doing it. It’s in his personality.

I met him while he was shooting a video. Seemed cool, no extremist language, pulled out an acoustic guitar and played for about a hour for the five of us.

Mark · Post by **Mark** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:43 pm

Roody wrote:He is on record admitting to having sex numerous times with underage girls and in one known case the girl was as young as 14 years old all while he was an adult. In hindsight the use of the word pedophile was melodramatic, but if nothing else his actions define statutory rape. In the "big picture" as you put it Nugent is a vile human being and not exactly the kind of person anyone should be praising.

His comments last week along with his past history of violent remarks towards the President along with his own history of statutory rape is proof positive that the guy is a douchebag. I get it that some don't like Obama. That's perfectly fine, but praising Nugent? That's pretty messed up Mark.

i was unaware of his past history with under age girls, that is NOT okay in my world, just to clairify.

and i am not "praising" nugent, just saying that he has a right to speak his mind, offensive or not.

Miggs · Post by **Miggs** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:51 pm

The motor city madman is just saying what all Great Americans feel inside.
I also question Roody's intelligence.

blebs · Post by **blebs** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:28 pm

RoundEye wrote:I don’t dislike Nugent. I think he pushes buttons that need to be pushed, he just has an extreme way of doing it. It’s in his personality.

I met him while he was shooting a video. Seemed cool, no extremist language, pulled out an acoustic guitar and played for about a hour for the five of us.

Exactly. I want to live in a world where people have the guts to stand up and say, "This is wrong" and I don't really care how they do it. Sure, he can be belligerent at times, but who isn't?

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 4:20 am

Miggs wrote:The motor city madman is just saying what all Great Americans feel inside.
I also question Roody's intelligence.

Your avatar is that of a known bigot. I'd be disappointed if you had a positive thought about me.

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 7:54 am

RoundEye wrote: Nugent. I think he pushes buttons that need to be pushed, he just has an extreme way of doing it. It’s in his personality..

Pretty much sums him up...an extreme way of doings things.
In his 20's and 30's...when he was on the road touring, a rock star with an outrageous show, sex with tons of young women..well, that's part of that lifestyle. Especially when one considers that time period. I'm not condoning sex with underaged girls....but rock stars...on the road, touring, groupies....like I said..it's part of that lifestyle. Sex, drugs, and rock 'n roll! (and lots of booze). The youngest one he appears to have sex with (12 years old)...Courtney Love. Not exactly an innocent young girl that had to be coaxed into spreading her legs..... I'm going to doubt Ted knew she was 12 at the time....I'm sure he didn't think she was over 18 either...but in between, and in a drunken/stoned haze.

Regarding all the stuff he said....that started this thread, well...that's Ted. He's dramatic. He's about over-stating things. He's about shock and awe! (well..maybe not so much "awe"..but certainly he's all about shock value)

David · Post by **David** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:26 am

[quote="YeOldeStonecat"]

Ultimately, we are responsible for our actions, sober or not. Like politicians, popular entertainers openly flaunt the law. How funny is for these genre of people, enjoining the rules to the citizenry.

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:33 am

David wrote:Ultimately, we are responsible for our actions, sober or not. Like politicians, popular entertainers openly flaunt the law. How funny is it to listen to these genre of people to tell the citizenry how the rules should be?

Fair enough. I don't mean to come across sounding that I condone an appetite for underage gardens. Was just voicing, IMO....the behavior of rock stars allowing teenage "roadies" to come back stage and entertain them in bodily ways isn't as extreme as a pedophile that cruises school yards.

David · Post by **David** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 10:18 am

YeOldeStonecat wrote:Fair enough. I don't mean to come across sounding that I condone an appetite for underage gardens. Was just voicing, IMO....the behavior of rock stars allowing teenage "roadies" to come back stage and entertain them in bodily ways isn't as extreme as a pedophile that cruises school yards.

I apologize for the inference.

The rock star is more like a "man of the cloth" taking advantage of his station, with the underaged. The key difference is one has an ascribed morality, the other does not.

Brian, I would give your words substantially more weight than the likes of a Ted Nugent.

David · Post by **David** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 10:24 am

Of course, ad hominem is an incorrect manner of argument

Dan · Post by **Dan** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:22 am

not to get in here politically,but in the 70's I was a huge fan and saw him 2 or 3 times,great stuff back then for sure.not a huge Amboy Dukes fan,but his first album "ted Nugent" & 3rd "cat scratch fever" IMO were awesome rock albums ! they were practically our high school anthems ! LOL

I still like to listen to his music.

David · Post by **David** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 2:58 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbEieKQ27NI&