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Military officials might have to run a bigger gantlet of protesters as they search for recruits on America's university campuses. But they no longer have to worry that they'll be shut out altogether because of the "don't ask, don't tell" policy related to gay members of the armed forces.

The Supreme Court ruled unanimously Monday that military recruiters must have the same kind of access as other employers coming onto campus to give out information and conduct job interviews, if the campus receives federal money. Most campuses rely on some share of the $35 billion the government channels each year to higher education.

Bo Riddick wrote:3 cheers for the Supreme Court. By an 8-0 vote they upheld the law that says if you take Federal money, you can't block military recruiters on campus. The University and law school hypocrites will have to put up or shut up.



http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0307/p02s01-usju.html

cyberskye wrote:Bitter? I notice you left out highschools and community colleges.

Interesting choice for first post on a technical site.

Bo Riddick wrote:3 cheers for the Supreme Court. By an 8-0 vote they upheld the law that says if you take Federal money, you can't block military recruiters on campus. The University and law school hypocrites will have to put up or shut up.



http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0307/p02s01-usju.html

thepieman wrote:Yeah! Screw an education for the kids! Lettem all enlist or be recruited before they finish school. Lets go a step further and make compulsive military training at age 18 for the legal right to vote and citizenship too. Yeah!

cyberskye wrote:Bitter?

Meggie wrote:...your right, its better that they get into heavy drugs, become pregnant at 16 or in juvi hall at 17..

Give me a break, most kids could learn a lot from even just a couple years in the military.

Drug addicted US troops sent to Scotland for help




Iraq veterans in rehab with NHS patients
By Liam McDougall, Health Correspondent



A PICTURESQUE Scottish hospital is being used by the US military as a base to treat drug and alcohol addicted troops who have fought in Iraq, the Sunday Herald can reveal.
The US department of defence is sending up to 40 damaged servicemen and women a year &#8211]

http://www.sundayherald.com/47041


http://newsfromrussia.com/main/2003/12/05/51670.html Yeah its Pravda but its not wholly unbelievable. Afghanistan is after all , one of the worlds largest Heroin (Opium) suppliers in the world.

thepieman wrote:Plenty of people become addicted to drugs while in the military. Not to mention the high rate of alchoholism and drug addiction amongst veterans.
I know its your job and all to try to recruit people, but thats exactly why they shouldn't be allowed on campus to recruit until graduation. If you are going to try to recruit people at least be accurate in your reasoning for them leaving school.

Besides...if they are pregnant or in juvi hall at least they would have all their limbs and not end up in a flag draped pine box.

YARDofSTUF wrote:There are ways they can finish school and sign up, could help them out financially too.



Ya all the **** ups from juvi are much better, can get buried just as quick too. And the pregnant 16 yearolds mooch off of our system and get tax payers money for spreading their legs, yup, thats better too.

thepieman wrote:Plenty of people become addicted to drugs while in the military. Not to mention the high rate of alchoholism and drug addiction amongst veterans.
I know its your job and all to try to recruit people, but thats exactly why they shouldn't be allowed on campus to recruit until graduation. If you are going to try to recruit people at least be accurate in your reasoning for them leaving school. Besides...if they are pregnant or in juvi hall at least they would have all their limbs and not end up in a flag draped pine box.



http://www.sundayherald.com/47041


http://newsfromrussia.com/main/2003/12/05/51670.html Yeah its Pravda but its not wholly unbelievable. Afghanistan is after all , one of the worlds largest Heroin (Opium) suppliers in the world.

How Far Will Army Recruiters Go?


Seventeen-year-old high school journalist and honor student David McSwane is just what Army recruiters are looking for, but he suspected they might be lowering their standards, reports Rick Sallinger of CBS News Denver affiliate KCNC.

"I wanted to see how far the army would go during a war to get one more soldier," McSwane said.

So he showed up at a Golden Colorado recruiting office saying he was a dropout.

No problem, the recruiter said — and told McSwane in a phone call he recorded — to create a fake diploma from a non-existent school.

"It can be like Faith Hill Baptist School or something — whatever you choose," the recruiter said.

So McSwane went on-line, got a phony grade transcript and a diploma with the name of the school the recruiter suggested and turned it in.

"I was shocked. I'm sitting there looking at a poster that says 'Integrity, Honor, Respect,' and he is telling me to lie," McSwane said.

Then the high school senior told the recruiter:

"I have a problem with drugs. I can't kick the habit — just marijuana."

The recruiter suggested purchasing a detoxification kit.

"The two times I had the guys use it — it's worked both times. We didn't have to worry about anything," the recruiter said.

McSwane had a friend take a video as another recruiter, Sgt. Tim Pickel, took him to buy the so-called detox kit.

(CBS)
Sallinger confronted Sgt. Pickel with a phone conversation David McSwane said he had before they went to the store.

On tape:

Sgt Pickel: "When you said about the one problem that you had...what does it consist of?"

McSwane: "Marijuana."

Pickel: "Oh. OK. So nothing major?"

McSwane: "Yeah he said he would take me down to get that stuff. I mean I have no idea what it is so you would have to show me. Is that a problem?"

Pickel: "No, not at all."

Sgt. Pickel quickly referred us to his superiors.

Lt. Colonel Jeffrey Brodeur who heads Army recruiting for the Colorado region did not defend the recruiters.

"Let me tell you something sir. I'm a soldier and have been a soldier for 20 years," Broderu said. "This violates trust, it violates integrity, it violates honor, and it violates duty."

The two soldiers involved have already been suspended from recruiting duties. They could face anything from a letter of reprimand to a court martial if they are not cleared by the investigation.

thepieman wrote: The story that follows is not something thats happened for the first time either.

YeOldeStonecat wrote:And "Congrats to Meggie" on the 9K mark!

thepieman wrote:I don't need to do research. I been around for 45years and have seen my fair share of predatory recruiters and have heard many stories from personal friends. Im not a teenager. The story that follows is not something thats happened for the first time either. Their next step is hooking up tricked out Humvees with custom sound systems and Flat screen monitors with video games in the back to try to appeal to the kids. (No joke)

Joint Chiefs of Staff wrote:No giveback please, thank you very much. lol

Meggie wrote:what u want to see brents penis? ok check ur inbox.

YARDofSTUF wrote:All the parents that dont want recruiters to be allowed on campus should get together and come up with enough money so that the school(s) dont need federal funding.

I don't see anything wrong with recruiters being there, there are good careers in the militarty.

knightmare wrote:who do military recruiters target? What portion of the population is most likely to join?

Meggie wrote:You make these recruiters out to be a joe camel.. trying to get kids to start early.. get them hooked on it.. like its a bad thing. Truthfully the military should be seen as an opportunity for the small number of individuals that are eligible. you should see the percentage of 18-30 year olds that cant meet one or more of the standards.. i saw probably 5-10 kids in the past month that wanted to join but were not able to due to medical, legal, reasons or not being able to pass the ASVAB (the written test given to determine if you can join)

Joining the military is the best thing that i have ever done with my life, when i talk to these kids i tell them that.. They know exactly what they are getting into when they sign the paperwork. These recruiters are not all these crooked, imoral, only out for themselves villians that everyone makes them out to be.

Hell_Yes wrote:To whom does this money belong?

thepieman wrote:You were saying the other day how you thought it was unfair about not being able to get married if someone was gay, yet if you are gay the Military won't accept you. EOE they aren't. They don't deserve equal standing when it comes to Corporate Recruiters like other businesses I'm sorry.

bigmo66 wrote:I don't agree. being Gay is not like being Hispanic or Black no matter how one might try and spin it. The military is a place where life and death depends on your fellow serviceman in ability & confidence. If just a handful of service men would be uncomfortable to a detrimental point by being "forced" into sharing close quarters or any intimate setting with a homosexual then it could detract from success and cause serious problems. Not necessarily the same as a homosexual in the next cubicle over at the call center. I am certain however, that there are many homosexuals that are quite capable of serving with honor and committment. It seems that certain situations, all folks really want is the choice, recognition or exposure which can be selfish.

The Military is not a democracy nor should it be. If a person can't except the requirements & regulations then seek other employment. If the Government sees fit to change these rules & regs then so be it. The "Moral Levees" will burst soon enough ,but until then tough.

bigmo66 wrote:I don't agree. being Gay is not like being Hispanic or Black no matter how one might try and spin it. The military is a place where life and death depends on your fellow serviceman in ability & confidence. If just a handful of service men would be uncomfortable to a detrimental point by being "forced" into sharing close quarters or any intimate setting with a homosexual then it could detract from success and cause serious problems. Not necessarily the same as a homosexual in the next cubicle over at the call center. I am certain however, that there are many homosexuals that are quite capable of serving with honor and committment. It seems that certain situations, all folks really want is the choice, recognition or exposure which can be selfish.

The Military is not a democracy nor should it be. If a person can't except the requirements & regulations then seek other employment. If the Government sees fit to change these rules & regs then so be it. The "Moral Levees" will burst soon enough ,but until then tough.

thepieman wrote:I tell you what...Open up a business, and decline the person because he's gay and lets see how long it takes the Atty. General, Labor department or whoever is in charge of Equal Opportunity Employment, plus Civil suit lawyers, Gay rights groups and lets see how long you stay in business for.
From the way you are talking you make it sound like there haven't been gay people in the military before.

bigmo66 wrote: So what is the answer? You may think that the Military should be no different than Burger King and that is your opinion. I personally don't have a strong opinion, but just stating some of the things that can happen in the military. Maybe our country is archaic in these things? I think the Israelis, Men & Women all shower together

thepieman wrote:I am saying exactly the opposite of that. Since they are not like a regular business that routinely recruits students on campus grounds that they should not be given equal access as a regular business is given. As you suggest its not a business as some people would try to equate it to as an excuse for giving equal access to Military recruiters on College campuses.

Have you seen some of those Israeli chicks...wooohoo HOT. I wouldn't mind communal showers with them either.

thepieman wrote:I am saying exactly the opposite of that. Since they are not like a regular business that routinely recruits students on campus grounds that they should not be given equal access as a regular business is given. As you suggest its not a business as some people would try to equate it to as an excuse for giving equal access to Military recruiters on College campuses.

Have you seen some of those Israeli chicks...wooohoo HOT. I wouldn't mind communal showers with them either.

Meggie wrote:would you want to shower with someone who is openly gay? The issue is not a moral one.. the military isnt saying that its wrong to be gay, they are just saying that with quarters being as close as they are in the military being gay may cause uneeded stress on both sides. I think the showering thing is the main thing that makes it different then any/most other jobs.

But now your just reaching for reasons to disagree.. do you disagree with recruiters being in schools because u think they are trying to rob young children of an education or because they dont allow openly gay homosexuals?

As im sure you already know, the military does allow gay people. It just so on the 'dont ask, dont tell' policy. You can be gay all you want, but you cant run around the baracks in nothing but your little brown breifs talking about how you want to bone that hot sergeant bigness..

And again about the tricked out humvee... i agreed it is being used to attract kids.. but so what if the 10 year old kid likes it. It does no harm to him, if it attracts an 18 year old to join, then so what?