Im going AMD

aagiants · Post by **aagiants** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 2:01 am

Heh, i have seen the lights. With the prescotts not doing as well as i would like, i decided on a amd 64+ 3000+. I have read a couple reviews and found that the abit KV8 Pro seems to be good. for 100$ it seems like a good value and good OC potential

Is there any other board i should be looking at that has this kind of OC options and a lot of extra features?

Oh yeah, what is a good HSF to use on this?

Kyle · Post by **Kyle** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 2:45 am

aagiants wrote:Heh, i have seen the lights. With the prescotts not doing as well as i would like, i decided on a amd 64+ 3000+. I have read a couple reviews and found that the abit KV8 Pro seems to be good. for 100$ it seems like a good value and good OC potential

Is there any other board i should be looking at that has this kind of OC options and a lot of extra features?

Oh yeah, what is a good HSF to use on this?

The new prescotts are going to run on a 1066Mhz FSB...

Either way, good performance. I'm still not sold on Prescotts until I see some major heat reduction.

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 3:29 am

aagiants wrote:Heh, i have seen the lights. With the prescotts not doing as well as i would like, i decided on a amd 64+ 3000+. I have read a couple reviews and found that the abit KV8 Pro seems to be good. for 100$ it seems like a good value and good OC potential

Is there any other board i should be looking at that has this kind of OC options and a lot of extra features?

Oh yeah, what is a good HSF to use on this?

that's a good combo, i had a kv8-pro with a 3000+ here at 2.45GHz, faster in gaming than a P4 3.4c stock

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 7:12 am

I'm considering doing one of these rigs this fall...the nForce3-250 has caught my eye. While their nForce3-150 was rather bland in features, while equal to performance, against Via, the 250 seems to be very feature rich. Their superior integrated gig-NIC, interesting built in hardware firewall feature, most likely going to be the chipset I go with. Well, it will definitely be nForce based anyways, since I won't touch Via anymore, or SiS, if it was free, or even if I was paid.

Give the chipset a quick read...
http://www.anandtech.com/chipsets/showd ... i=2004&p=1

aagiants · Post by **aagiants** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 4:13 pm

another question i had is i see that all these boards have built in LAN. Would my rig run faster if i disabled it and used a PCI card?

aagiants · Post by **aagiants** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 4:15 pm

the kv8 caught my eye because of the OC potential... now u got me thinking on what to get... heh

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 4:47 pm

Kyler1 wrote:The new prescotts are going to run on a 1066Mhz FSB... Either way, good performance. I'm still not sold on Prescotts until I see some major heat reduction.

heat reduction? ah screw it, but I'd rather have a P4C at 1066mhz fsb, than a prescott.

As chips bring more power the heat will go up, at some point watercooling of some sort will be the norm.

and as far as AMD goes the Nforce chip is the creme of the crop, but nvidia doesn't seem to be doing much with it, and they really need to. the sound is a plus but come on lets not sit on that.

deleted_acct · Post by **deleted_acct** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 7:34 pm

aagiants wrote:Heh, i have seen the lights. With the prescotts not doing as well as i would like, i decided on a amd 64+ 3000+. I have read a couple reviews and found that the abit KV8 Pro seems to be good. for 100$ it seems like a good value and good OC potential

Is there any other board i should be looking at that has this kind of OC options and a lot of extra features?

Oh yeah, what is a good HSF to use on this?

*runs up and gives hug*
Welcome to the dark side!!!
64bit is a good descion but if u want the real deal get a socket 939 amd there high but blow everything out of the water.
Also not sure how good the 3000+ will oc. And dont know alot about the board but i know abit is great

ScottE · Post by **ScottE** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 7:37 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:heat reduction? ah screw it, but I'd rather have a P4C at 1066mhz fsb, than a prescott.

I'd rather have 5 women waiting on me hand and foot among other things, but we can't have it all now can we?

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 8:04 pm

aagiants wrote:another question i had is i see that all these boards have built in LAN. Would my rig run faster if i disabled it and used a PCI card?

No, most of the new NICs run integrated into the new chipsets, far superior bandwidth compared to the ancient PCI bus. That article I linked above....read it. You'll find the page on the Giga-bit LAN will answer your question with much more detail, and illustrated it well. It's not specific to nForces chipset...as most other chipsets are similar, such as Intels. But nVidia's chipset simply dominates them all in this area.

Cypher · Post by **Cypher** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 9:21 pm

The onboard Nic on my nForce2 is always faster than the one on my Intel.
I'm gonna wait till spring or so to do an upgrade. I've been thinking of another AMD myself. The one Cat linked is sweet.

aagiants · Post by **aagiants** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 9:32 pm

YeOldeStonecat wrote:No, most of the new NICs run integrated into the new chipsets, far superior bandwidth compared to the ancient PCI bus. That article I linked above....read it. You'll find the page on the Giga-bit LAN will answer your question with much more detail, and illustrated it well. It's not specific to nForces chipset...as most other chipsets are similar, such as Intels. But nVidia's chipset simply dominates them all in this area.

Oh so this isn't the case like PCI Sounds cards? (or am i wrong in assuming this too)

aagiants · Post by **aagiants** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 9:32 pm

Oh yeah isn't the socket 939 supposed to be the same as the current socket just more money?

deleted_acct · Post by **deleted_acct** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 9:37 pm

aagiants wrote:Oh yeah isn't the socket 939 supposed to be the same as the current socket just more money?

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDe ... 458&depa=1

aagiants · Post by **aagiants** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 10:33 pm

im leaining towards the kv8 abit. I rather not go with any of the nvidia chipset boards out yet, if there were a better brand like asus i might consider. My only concern with the kv8 is the lack of the ability to scale the mutiplier down in overclocking situations.

Do you know if Abit is going to fix this in future Bios revisions?

deleted_acct · Post by **deleted_acct** » Thu Jun 24, 2004 12:48 am

aagiants wrote:im leaining towards the kv8 abit. I rather not go with any of the nvidia chipset boards out yet, if there were a better brand like asus i might consider. My only concern with the kv8 is the lack of the ability to scale the mutiplier down in overclocking situations.

Do you know if Abit is going to fix this in future Bios revisions?

Asus makes a nforce2 chipset board.

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Thu Jun 24, 2004 6:35 am

aagiants wrote:Oh so this isn't the case like PCI Sounds cards? (or am i wrong in assuming this too)

In the past couple of years, there have been many quality onboard sound solutions which can rival some high end PCI sound cards. nVidia's "SoundStorm" for example. The EAX commonly found is even quite strong, both besting the top sound boards from just 2 years ago in quality.

A few years ago, "Integrated" used to be associated with super el-cheapo components, onboard sound which rivaled a 9 dollar clock radio with the music quality of a 9 dollar clock radio underwater in a fish tank, sluggish graphics, and icky realtek onboard LAN. Not necessarily the case anymore....onboard solutions have grown to quite respectable components.

aagiants · Post by **aagiants** » Thu Jun 24, 2004 4:53 pm

but i mean performance wise, will i get more FPS/quality gaming if i use a seperate PCI card and disable the onboard??

does anyone know if new nvidia boards are coming out?

Bandit159 · Post by **Bandit159** » Thu Jun 24, 2004 8:04 pm

Gigabyte now has an nforce 250 chipset,socket 939 motherboard available for purchase.

It's the only one im aware of right now..I went with a via chipset(939) and have had no issues,though i prolly would have gone nforce if it had been available.Then again,they want 240$ or so for it and if thats any indicator,ill be just fine-

deleted_acct · Post by **deleted_acct** » Thu Jun 24, 2004 9:36 pm

aagiants wrote:but i mean performance wise, will i get more FPS/quality gaming if i use a seperate PCI card and disable the onboard??

does anyone know if new nvidia boards are coming out?

This is wut u should do
Go with an Abit NF7-S Motherboard There wonderful!!! Overclock nearly as good as a DFI lanparty and much more reliable.
One of these 2400,2500,2600 Mobile
Oc to like 2.5-2.8ghz

But if you got the dough go with 64bit.I would love a 64bit setup.

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 3:06 am

YeOldeStonecat wrote:I'm considering doing one of these rigs this fall...the nForce3-250 has caught my eye. While their nForce3-150 was rather bland in features, while equal to performance, against Via, the 250 seems to be very feature rich. Their superior integrated gig-NIC, interesting built in hardware firewall feature, most likely going to be the chipset I go with. Well, it will definitely be nForce based anyways, since I won't touch Via anymore, or SiS, if it was free, or even if I was paid.

Give the chipset a quick read...
http://www.anandtech.com/chipsets/showd ... i=2004&p=1

Kyle is saying the VIA chipset for the Athlon 64's are the cat's meow. And they will be the only one to offer AGP AND PCI-E on the same board.

Bandit159 · Post by **Bandit159** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 6:32 am

my pci/agp lock IS working,btw

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Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 8:05 am

aagiants wrote:but i mean performance wise, will i get more FPS/quality gaming if i use a seperate PCI card and disable the onboard??

I doubt it...but the true answer depends on:
1) Which motherboard you're talking about, with which onboard sound, and
2) Which old PCI card you might be slapping in there to compare against.

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 8:09 am

UOD wrote:Kyle is saying the VIA chipset for the Athlon 64's are the cat's meow. And they will be the only one to offer AGP AND PCI-E on the same board.

I'll put my money 100% on the new nForce platform when it's out.

While it's a nice feature for those who might do a partial upgrade to remain on a budget, wether it will indeed remain the only one to offer the dual bus remains to be seen, and even if so, it isn't a deal breaker for me, as if I'm going the upgrade, I'll be doing the upgrade 100%.

aagiants · Post by **aagiants** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 10:15 am

i have decided on the nvidia chipset. I have to wait another 2 weeks before buying the stuff anyways, so i will be able to see what in store 2 weeks from now. hopefully asus or abit will come with a board

Yeold IE
my audigy gamer and a nvidia 250gb onboard sound

also what is better to use, an ATA controller or the onboard chip
(i have heard this both ways, and asking about sounds makes me ponder about this as well)

thanks for all your help guys

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 11:25 am

aagiants wrote: also what is better to use, an ATA controller or the onboard chip
(i have heard this both ways, and asking about sounds makes me ponder about this as well)

thanks for all your help guys

I've yet to personally experience, or even read about in detail, what the nForce3 250's onboard SATA controller will be. If it's anything like what Intel did with the 865/875...then heck, nothing can beat the onboard. I have read it will be built into the single core logic controller (as is their LAN)....which will be excellent! So the onboard will be the way to go.

As for their sound, I haven't read confirmations as to wether it will be or will not be on the nf3 250. If not, looks like you'll be plopping your Audigy in there.

aagiants · Post by **aagiants** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 1:49 am

well my question was in concern to ata no sata

lol thanks yeolde, my own personal answer book

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 8:24 am

aagiants wrote:well my question was in concern to ata no sata

Oh, comparing PATA to SATA? Pretty much no difference in performance when comparing the common 7,200rpm drives of each. SATA has much more potential down the road when faster drives come out, but current drives don't bog down yet under even PATA. One exception being the Raptor drives...which only come in SATA flavor. Other makers are sure to follow soon with their own 10k drives I'm sure.

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 11:56 pm

YeOldeStonecat wrote:I'll put my money 100% on the new nForce platform when it's out.

While it's a nice feature for those who might do a partial upgrade to remain on a budget, wether it will indeed remain the only one to offer the dual bus remains to be seen, and even if so, it isn't a deal breaker for me, as if I'm going the upgrade, I'll be doing the upgrade 100%.

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjI2LDE=

Check it out dude....might be worth the wait to see how it performs.

I have this edition with the entire article:

http://www.computerpoweruser.com/editor ... 39EC51947F

aagiants · Post by **aagiants** » Sun Jun 27, 2004 12:37 am

lol sry for being confusing. my question was, what is better to hook up a HDD to, a PCI ATA controller or an Onboard ATA controller

aagiants · Post by **aagiants** » Sun Jun 27, 2004 12:38 am

heh when will the price drop though

Bandit159 · Post by **Bandit159** » Sun Jun 27, 2004 12:52 am

i dont think soon,the way AMD has really changed their marketing strategy.The only thing that will change it is intel,if they can-