So, do you think we will ever land another man on the moon?

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 3:16 am

I mean, its been a LONG time since we've been there. Maybe we should do it again, just to prove we can still do it? heh

And what about a man mission to Mars? That one is prolly a long ways off I bet, especially considering it would take months to even get there in the first place.

I wish more interest and funding were put into space exploration, the International Space Station is a good start, but its going SO SLOWLY.

Jim · Post by **Jim** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 3:21 am

I'd expect another US astronaut on the Moon as soon as another nation (China being the likely one) decides to send one of their own up. I can't see that happening before then.

Tawcan · Post by **Tawcan** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 3:39 am

They never landed man on the moon...it was all a scandal US brain wash propaganda...

Was just having a discussion with my friends the other day about this...

And what about a man mission to Mars? That one is prolly a long ways off I bet, especially considering it would take months to even get there in the first place.

Takes 259 days to get to Mars from Earth using the parabolic orbital projection method. Then you have to wait 454 days minimum on Mars so the planets are lined up correctly. (You need Earth to be 285 degree ahead of Mars). Then it takes 259 more days to get back... you can get there much faster but you end up using a lot more fuel...

Tawcan · Post by **Tawcan** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 3:40 am

You ppl are probably wondering where did I pull the 285 degree and other numbers from...

I'm taking a course on classical mechanics and we analyzed a trip to Mars in class and on one of the assignments.

(Final's tomorrow!

)

kmax · Post by **kmax** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 9:19 am

Originally posted by Brent
I mean, its been a LONG time since we've been there. Maybe we should do it again, just to prove we can still do it? heh

And what about a man mission to Mars? That one is prolly a long ways off I bet, especially considering it would take months to even get there in the first place.

I wish more interest and funding were put into space exploration, the International Space Station is a good start, but its going SO SLOWLY.

yes, another man will land on the moon as with all those other things, it will happen. It is just a matter of time. I think we are reaching the end of our space program, it is just too expensive to go up vs the reward that we actually gain. More likely, I think most of the exploration in the future will occur when it is profitable for business to do it. Until then, don't expect much.

sito · Post by **sito** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 9:57 am

I don't believe anyone has landed on the moon yet. Solar wind being just one reason why.

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 10:29 am

LOL...here we go..

And somewhat related.....a story on the upcomming Mars landings..

http://www.newsday.com/news/health/wire ... -headlines

December 3, 2003, 5:24 AM EST

PASADENA, Calif. -- After seven routine months of spaceflight, NASA is bracing for six minutes of high anxiety in January, when the twin rovers it launched earlier this year punch through the Martian atmosphere to land on the Red Planet.

Each of the unmanned, $400 million rovers must be slowed from 12,000 mph to a complete stop within minutes after first plunging into the planet's tenuous atmosphere.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 10:33 am

Everytime I hear someone say that the Man On The Moon mission was a farce I LMFAO!!

fastchevy · Post by **fastchevy** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 10:55 am

I could care less, I think it's a waste of time and huge waste of money.

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 11:24 am

Originally posted by fastchevy
I could care less, I think it's a waste of time and huge waste of money.

You could have a point but keep in mind all the jobs created in the industry. Including what it's done for for the computer industry. Would we be where we are now without the space program? (Referring to just how sophisticated computers are.) The spinoff of jobs in the privite sector from NASA programs is something to be considered.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 11:35 am

Originally posted by fastchevy
I could care less, I think it's a waste of time and huge waste of money.

when we run out of resorucecs we need to expand

evnetually we need to move off planet earth if the human race is to survive

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 11:40 am

I'm with Brent. I'd like to see it picked up again. Reason? Technology growth, new discoveries, new knowledge, all things that could lead to good things for mankind. Even possibilities in health! Yes there's the possiblity of bad things happening, but that's the case with everything.

I think it's all good stuff that would come from it.

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 12:18 pm

Originally posted by YeOldeStonecat
I'm with Brent. I'd like to see it picked up again. Reason? Technology growth, new discoveries, new knowledge, all things that could lead to good things for mankind. Even possibilities in health! Yes there's the possiblity of bad things happening, but that's the case with everything.

I think it's all good stuff that would come from it.

Exactly, just look at all the spin-offs that have come from Nasa, lots of materials and technology.

By going into space and expanding our knowledge of the universe we grow as a civilization, technologically and otherwise.

I laugh at the people who think it’s all a conspiracy and we didn't really go to the moon. That is just uber ridiculous.

Diver012 · Post by **Diver012** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 12:29 pm

I dont see that we have a choice. It may not happen in this lifetime, but as fast as technology is advancing, it may be possible. I read an article a few weeks ago where NASA had sucessfully tested a new type of ION Engine.

ION Engine Story...

ScottE · Post by **ScottE** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 12:43 pm

I doubt that we will ever go to the moon again. Not because we shouldn't but because we won't. The issue is largly economic. What are you going to cut in order to send someone to the moon? It's not that you couldn't cut something somewhere that is useless but to think it will actually happen is wishful thinking at best. I think the shuttle program or something like it will continue. It's too important to science and industry for it not to, but it would be hard to justify sending men to the moon again for what it would cost. The 60's and 70's were alot different than today, both socially and economicaly I don't think we have the level of commitment to things we once did.

nepenthe · Post by **nepenthe** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 12:57 pm

Originally posted by Ghosthunter
It would be a good place to stick those bleeding heart liberals

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fastchevy · Post by **fastchevy** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 1:01 pm

Originally posted by downhill
You could have a point but keep in mind all the jobs created in the industry. Including what it's done for for the computer industry. Would we be where we are now without the space program? (Referring to just how sophisticated computers are.) The spinoff of jobs in the privite sector from NASA programs is something to be considered.

Well from my standpoint in Oklahoma, the industry hasn't helped the computer industry or my company. Where would we be now without the space program? Probably the same place we are now. (In an industry point of view)Are we going to somehow magically make Mars a habitable planet? No. Do I think ET is out there somewhere? No.

But guess that's why I'm not running for President

We know more **** about space than we do about out own planet at the bottom of the sea? I'd almost call that idiotic.

fastchevy · Post by **fastchevy** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 1:03 pm

Originally posted by Ghosthunter
when we run out of resorucecs we need to expand

evnetually we need to move off planet earth if the human race is to survive

No other planet has resources and we can't make them magically appear. Maybe we can plant some trees on Mars and Venus and make an atmosphere, it would work

only thing is the horrible temperatures.

fastchevy · Post by **fastchevy** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 1:04 pm

I'll quit bashing this thread now.

I just see the 'neato' Moon as...well a big black hole for billions and billions of dollars.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 1:10 pm

Originally posted by fastchevy
No other planet has resources and we can't make them magically appear. Maybe we can plant some trees on Mars and Venus and make an atmosphere, it would work only thing is the horrible temperatures.

who said in this system?

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 1:11 pm

Originally posted by fastchevy
No other planet has resources and we can't make them magically appear. Maybe we can plant some trees on Mars and Venus and make an atmosphere, it would work only thing is the horrible temperatures.

Terraforming is not out of the realm of possibility for Mars.

ScottE · Post by **ScottE** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 1:11 pm

Originally posted by fastchevy
I'll quit bashing this thread now.
I just see the 'neato' Moon as...well a big black hole for billions and billions of dollars.

The moon yes, the space program in general no. There is alot of amazing research being done in space. Microgravity Combustion and fluid dynamics research to create more fuel efficient vehicles, genetics research, all kinds of stuff.

nepenthe · Post by **nepenthe** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 1:19 pm

Originally posted by Brent
Terraforming is not out of the realm of possibility for Mars.

Its low gravity would not be conducive to holding much of an atmosphere.

nepenthe · Post by **nepenthe** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 1:22 pm

Originally posted by fastchevy
No other planet has resources and we can't make them magically appear. Maybe we can plant some trees on Mars and Venus and make an atmosphere, it would work only thing is the horrible temperatures.

Actually, metals are extraterrestial resources that we might utilize.

shant,
david

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 1:23 pm

Originally posted by nepenthe
Its low gravity would not be conducive to holding much of an atmosphere.

its still not out of the realm of possibility, unlike the moon and venus etc...

maybe not with our current technology now, but in the future, may be possible

i've heards lots of theories of how we can melt the polar ice caps, get some kind of algea or something growing there to produce oxygen and so forth that over a time it could form an atmosophere, maybe not as good as Earth's, but something none the less

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 1:32 pm

I dont think theres any need to go there now, we need to work on more things that we can benefit from.

nepenthe · Post by **nepenthe** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 1:33 pm

Originally posted by Brent
its still not out of the realm of possibility, unlike the moon and venus etc...

maybe not with our current technology now, but in the future, may be possible

i've heards lots of theories of how we can melt the polar ice caps, get some kind of algea or something growing there to produce oxygen and so forth that over a time it could form an atmosophere, maybe not as good as Earth's, but something none the less

In order to increase the force due to gravity, the mass of the object would need to be increased.

The atmospheric pressure is less than one per cent of planet earth. Liquid water would not exist under those conditions, regardless of temperature. Water is either in vapor or ice.
If I am not mistaken, the polar ice caps are chiefly CO2, no?

Venus might actually be a bit more workable...

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 1:47 pm

Originally posted by nepenthe
In order to increase the force due to gravity, the mass of the object would need to be increased.

The atmospheric pressure is less than one per cent of planet earth. Liquid water would not exist under those conditions, regardless of temperature. Water is either in vapor or ice.
If I am not mistaken, the polar ice caps are chiefly CO2, no?

Venus might actually be a bit more workable...

thats why you warm the ice caps, to produce vapor and CO2

NexariaN · Post by **NexariaN** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 1:58 pm

In my opinion, we should be spending more time and money trying to figure out the worldly problems of our planet, rather than going past it....

But I agree that exploration will become more and more a normal part of science, I see most of the exploration being for a better understanding of our planet / planets and solar system.

Illini25 · Post by **Illini25** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 5:48 pm

To get back to the question. I think the Chinesse are planning a trip to the moon in the near future.

The_Lurker · Post by **The_Lurker** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 6:00 pm

Originally posted by Brent
thats why you warm the ice caps, to produce vapor and CO2

with out a magnetoshpere to protect against the suns solar wind, any atmosphere would be stripped away from the planet.

this is what scientist already believe happened to mars. it's molten core cooled and it lost it's ability to protect itself from solar winds.

looky here------> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/magnetic/

it was a good show.

fastchevy · Post by **fastchevy** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 6:23 pm

I think the Chinese are more interested in spy satellites....

nepenthe · Post by **nepenthe** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 10:08 pm

Originally posted by Brent
thats why you warm the ice caps, to produce vapor and CO2

There is little water ice in those caps. If the temperature was raised, they would sublime (go from solid directly to gas) because of th low atmospheric pressure. Liquid water would not exist.

Indy · Post by **Indy** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 10:13 pm

Originally posted by Illini25
To get back to the question. I think the Chinesse are planning a trip to the moon in the near future.

From what I read, by 2020.

Leatherneck · Post by **Leatherneck** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 10:28 pm

Why would we want to land on the moon? I'm sure Bush would be accused of invading a peaceful moon and forcing US style democracy on the sovereign Man on the Moon!

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