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Gixxer wrote:some of it does sound dumb, but i think his point about the choke comment has to do with teams beating USC that should not even be in the game let alone win.

Gixxer wrote:you know as well as i do that someone that writes an article about a team are going to polish it up if they are from there regardless where they are from. does it make them sound dumb, sometimes, sometimes not.

what people fail to recognize/consider about OSU are the losses we are talking about.

#1 florida - natl champs
#1 lsu - natl champs (this was an OSU rebuilding year)
#1 USC - (eventual rose bowl champs)
#3 penn state - lost to the above in the rose bowl
#3 texas (who should have played in the natl champ game) osu beat themselves in this game

i dont know about you, but this, to me, does not constitute the label "overrated". it means they need to evolve to get over whatever hump it is to split wins and looses in these big games. NOBODY wins all the big ones.

Roody wrote:I don't think OSU is overrated. What I am saying is this author is attempting to dump a claim on USC that is far from accurate and he's doing so in an attempt to take the heat off of OSU. It's a disingenious article written by a fanboy.

Players say extra work necessary

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Ohio State players say if their rivals at Michigan are putting in extra time, they're not alone.

So are the Buckeyes. And so is any team, they say, that wants to be any good.

Michigan's coaching staff has been accused by a handful of current and former players -- all speaking anonymously -- of pushing too hard and forcing them to put in too many hours.

Join the club, the Buckeyes said.

Ohio State captains Kurt Coleman and Doug Worthington and head coach Jim Tressel all said Tuesday that it takes extra work to compete these days in major college football -- and the players who want to be great understand that.

The NCAA may have a 20-hour per week cap, but the players don't live by that.

"I think Michigan is probably abiding by the rules," said Coleman, a starting safety. "But, you know, to be great you have to put in more than 20 hours. That's just the minimum. In any great program, each player is putting in more than what they're required to. And it's all on their own. That's what takes a program to the next level, when guys are going above and beyond the call of duty."

Worthington said that no matter what the coaches say -- or the NCAA -- players who want to get better will become workaholics. He said it was up to the upperclassmen to make sure that the younger players kept their noses to the grindstone.

"It's hard to be a good football team giving 20 hours, but you know the rules and that's why leaders and captains and seniors have to make sure we keep guys after and we watch more film," the starting defensive lineman said. "Do it on our time, but make sure we know it's nothing mandatory. But if you want to be good, it takes more than just 20 hours."

Tressel all but said it's useless to try to restrain players from working at a sport.

"What makes it difficult is how good these kids want to be," he said. "Sometimes you have to chain the doors of the Woody Hayes [football] center, you know, to get them out of there. These kids want to be good. They want to train. They want to get their buddies in there and throw the ball around, those kinds of things."

Tressel went to great lengths to say that he and his staff do not prescribe extra workouts for players beyond what they can meet during their allotted 20 hours per week during the season. But that doesn't mean Ohio State's players are only working 20 hours per week: Tressel said it's foolish to try to rein in young, committed and ambitious athletes.

"It'd be like telling our med students, 'We're going to close the library,'" he said. "You've got to let them train. There is a fine line, but the safeguards we have are we have set schedules and forms that we fill out, just like everyone."

Michigan coach Rich Rodriguez said Monday that the Wolverines follow the NCAA rules on required work, but his comments essentially mirrored Tressel's: Players were so eager to work well beyond the NCAA caps that they often called Michigan's coaches to open up the weight room.

Rodriguez installed a rigorous conditioning regimen at Michigan when he was hired after the 2007 season. While some players struggled to adapt, most credited it with improving their athleticism and several former Wolverines now in the NFL praised the program after working out at the school in the offseason.

Tressel said each time he has taken a head coaching job -- in 1986 at Youngstown State and again in 2001 at Ohio State -- players came up to him to tell him that under the prior regime the team had lost its discipline and toughness and needed to work harder.

"So I think deep down kids want to work hard," he said. "I haven't had anyone come in and say, 'You know what, Coach? We spent too much time at it and that's why we didn't do as well as we wanted to do.'"

Gixxer wrote:i agree with what tressel said and i think rodriguez is just dealing with some weak minded and weaker players who are whining.

Roody wrote:Heading into the 4th quarter the Bucks are only beating Navy by 6 points. 20-14 currently. Talk about making me ready for next week.

Roody wrote:Navy with an 85 yard TD pass. Don't see that much.

Gixxer wrote:i cannot fing believe what i am watching.

Gixxer wrote:you know, i gotta hope because of the unorthodox navy play is the reason they give osu fits. they said on osu would have an easier time practicing for usc due to the difference in o schemes.

Ohio State's Pryor wears 'Vick' tribute in eyeblack

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) - Ohio State quarterback Terrelle Pryor wore his support for Michael Vick on his face.

During No. 6 Ohio State's narrow 31-27 victory over Navy on Saturday, Pryor had the word "Vick" on the eyeblack sticker under his left eye. Under his right eye was "Mika" which he said referred to his sister.
Vick served 18 months in federal prison for his involvement in a dogfighting ring before signing with the Philadelphia Eagles last month.

"I always looked up to Mike Vick and I always will, because I still think he is one of the best quarterbacks," Pryor said. "I love Mike Vick."

Vick admitted bankrolling a dogfighting operation on his property in Virginia. He was suspended indefinitely by NFL commissioner Roger Goodell in August 2007.

"I know what happened with him and, I mean, I don't want to talk much," Pryor said. "I'm just going to be very short and sweet with it but I just feel he made his mistake and I think he just needs more support."

Vick has always been known as a great open-field runner who has yet to establish himself as an accurate passer. Pryor, a sophomore who was the top quarterback recruit in the nation two years ago, is also praised as a runner but has faced similar questions about his passing ability.

Pryor threw a late interception that resulted in a Navy touchdown with 2:23 remaining that pulled the Midshipmen to 29-27. Navy went for the tying two-point conversion, but Ohio State linebacker Brian Rolle intercepted and returned the pass 99 yards for two points. The Buckeyes then recovered an onside kick.

A noted scrambler on the field, Vick was a three-time Pro Bowl pick during six seasons with the Atlanta Falcons.

Pryor, who completed 14 of 21 passes for 174 yards and a touchdown against Navy, didn't think Vick was getting a fair shot.

"Not everybody is the perfect person in the world," Pryor said of Vick. "Everyone does - kills people, murders people, steals from you, steals from me. I just feel that people need to give him a chance."

Asked if he had seen the tribute to Vick on the 6-foot-6 Pryor's face, Ohio State coach Jim Tressel said he hadn't noticed it.

"I'm not tall enough to see his eyebrows," Tressel said. "I don't know what he had."

Sava700 wrote:I didn't realize that Mich's QB sucked that bad...

mountainman wrote:Go Bucks!!

Roody wrote:Unless you have watched a bunch of Michigan's games this year you have no idea what you are talking about and since you made this remark it's clear you haven't. Yes, Forcier was terrible today, but by and large he has had a very successful year.

Sava700 wrote:I watched a few other games and this one was the icing on the cake no matter what you think I have on my mind.... the guy is horrible and played a really crappy game...the game that meant the most to the team.

Roody wrote:Yes he played a lousy game, but no he isn't a horrible QB. In fact he is a very solid freshmen QB. Anyone who thinks otherwise when seeing him play all year has shown him to be a good solid QB doesn't know what they are talking about.

Sava700 wrote:I guess I disagree but since your always right you will argue that too most likely..