Hi guys, anyone have an itinerary on when obama will accomplish something?

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:44 pm

Sava700 wrote:wait a sec.. he did do something!!

He signed a one year extension to the Patriot Act!! Ohh wait, didn't he object to that in the past? If anything he sure does flip flop alot!

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http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/32373

Yes, and I believe certain members here posted about how they disapproved of Bush for the Patriot Act..... yet those same members were quiet as a church mouse when Obama extended it and even added to it.... taking away more of our freedom..... what's the term..... hypocrisy.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:03 pm

mnosteele52 wrote:Yes, and I believe certain members here posted about how they disapproved of Bush for the Patriot Act..... yet those same members were quiet as a church mouse when Obama extended it and even added to it.... taking away more of our freedom..... what's the term..... hypocrisy.

No there was a discussion of it and I don't remember many being quiet about it.

Xpunge · Post by **Xpunge** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:33 pm

JawZ wrote:To end this entire thread...we'll all concede that Obama is a complete fail and won't achieve anything. Now what do you want to talk about?

So you are the decider now? LOL.

No problem listening to/reading the crying over BOOsh starting right after his "selection"

but when it comes to the messiah you want to end discussions A.S.A.P.

Feel free to start your own threads about subjects you want to discuss if this one isn't suiting you. It's real easy. We'll help you if you need it. really we will.

CiscoKid · Post by **CiscoKid** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:42 pm

Xpunge wrote:So you are the decider now?

Bush was the Decider! He made a habbit of reminding everyone that he was the one and only Decider!

Xpunge · Post by **Xpunge** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:45 pm

Roody wrote:Never seen a person enjoy the implosion of his own party more then you Xpunge.

I am enjoying watching the liberals and their agenda fail and fall apart. California in the 90s with Gray Davis started instituting a liberal agenda that has brought this state to the brink of ruin. California is a portent of things to come if this 60s liberal mindset is allowed to mold this country on a national level.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:09 pm

mnosteele52 wrote:Yes, and I believe certain members here posted about how they disapproved of Bush for the Patriot Act..... yet those same members were quiet as a church mouse when Obama extended it and even added to it.... taking away more of our freedom..... what's the term..... hypocrisy.

I will address that. Since I have been a member here I have been on both sides of the aisle as history has shown. I am on the record stating I disliked the Patriot Act. It never crossed my mind that people might think that would change just because Obama has pushed for it's extension.

I don't play partisan games. A bad policy is a bad policy no matter who offers it up. My biggest beef with the way this thread has gone has been with partisan games being played. That's why I will always respect the insight of people like YoS and Jawz to name just a couple because they will speak for or against something regardless of party politics. Even if I disagree with them on something that will always garner my respect.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:13 pm

Xpunge wrote:I am enjoying watching the liberals and their agenda fail and fall apart. California in the 90s with Gray Davis started instituting a liberal agenda that has brought this state to the brink of ruin. California is a portent of things to come if this 60s liberal mindset is allowed to mold this country on a national level.

So would you say you are a conservative Democrat then?

Lefty · Post by **Lefty** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:19 pm

CiscoKid · Post by **CiscoKid** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:34 pm

Grey Davis was our governor when the people of this state voted for deregulation, that deregulation opened the flood gates for the likes of Enron et. al. to bend us over and pound us in the @$$ like MadDoc in a feild of sheep. Xpunge, have you lived in cali your entire life? Were you aware of the meetings that Arnie took with top Enron execs just prior to the recall

Xpunge · Post by **Xpunge** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:35 pm

Roody wrote:So would you say you are a conservative Democrat then?

Your need to pigeonhole and paint is intriguing.

I am "decline to state" and proud!

where's my gray rainbow sticker damn it!.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:40 pm

Xpunge wrote:Your need to pigeonhole and paint is intriguing.

I am "decline to state" and proud!

where's my gray rainbow sticker damn it!.

I usually don't go into details like that, but your comments don't support your past remark that you are a lifelong Democrat. Now you say you are declining to state? Nothing wrong with having your views change, but I've never seen you make a single remark that would suggest you are anything other then a right leaning person which is far from being a Democrat.

That's why the intrigue is there. Most point out their views. You seem to prefer to state one thing while having a post history that suggests another. I'm all for grey areas in politics because most issues are, but I've honestly never seen you say something bad against anything other then Dems.

Xpunge · Post by **Xpunge** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 8:00 pm

CiscoKid wrote:Grey Davis was our governor when the people of this state voted for deregulation, that deregulation opened the flood gates for the likes of Enron et. al. to bend us over and pound us in the @$$ like MadDoc in a feild of sheep. Xpunge, have you lived in cali your entire life? Were you aware of the meetings that Arnie took with top Enron execs just prior to the recall

So much wrong here.
Did you know that the city managers of Los Angeles refused to follow the then state administrations mantra to deregulate and held on to their power generating plants? Lone voices in a sea of insanity. L.A. now pays hugely reduced power rates compared to all other cities in California for this reason. Just because there was a vote to allow it, didn't mean it had to be done. don't confuse that issue. And lest we forget, it was Grey Davis who made plenty of money supporting deregulation, allowing the enron ass pounding.

Born and raised in Cali, here to see the crazy flood of illegal aliens, then closures of DOZENS of hospitals in metropolitan L.A. due to the crushing cost of giving free health care to these same illegals. here to see Gov. Moonbeam pass laws allowing public worker unions, the same unions that got sweetheart deals from Jerry browns Lt. gov. and then gov. davis that have us in a stranglehold now. here to see moonbeam brown campaign against prop. 13 then when it passed flip flopped and supported it. As the states coffers grew flushed with cash he then refused to give the money back to the taxpayers. here to see moonbeam brown shut down freeway construction statewide now leading to our continual traffic problems.
Don't think i have any love for that stuffed schnitzel ahnold whatshisface. what a waste of skin! in his time we have lost BILLIONS of dollars in revenue due to rules and regulations enacted during his term and now he wants to enact state global warming initiative, that has been shown by UC professors that it will take billions more addition revenue from our state.

man I could rant on all day ticking off the failures of the liberal, the appeasers in this state.

rant off.

Xpunge · Post by **Xpunge** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 8:17 pm

Roody wrote:....... but your comments don't support your past remark that you are a lifelong Democrat. .......... but I've never seen you make a single remark that would suggest you are anything other then a right leaning person which is far from being a Democrat.

I couldn't care any less if I do not fit your stereotypes.

But what the hell.
I am for Universal health care, But not at a national level. The European union does not have national health care, each member country has their own plan to suit their populations. Large countries like Australia and Canada have populations akin to a single state in the U.S.

I am certainly not for the current abortion of a bill currently under debate in our govt.
Considering how our govt. republican and democrat, liberal and conservative, have run things like Social Security, Medicaid/care ect.

I am anti Death penalty as well.

right leaning, you betcha!

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 8:24 pm

Xpunge wrote:I couldn't care any less if I do not fit your stereotypes.

But what the hell.
I am for Universal health care, But not at a national level. The European union does not have national health care, each member country has their own plan to suit their populations. Large countries like Australia and Canada have populations akin to a single state in the U.S.

I am certainly not for the current abortion of a bill currently under debate in our govt.
Considering how our govt. republican and democrat, liberal and conservative, have run things like Social Security, Medicaid/care ect.

I am anti Death penalty as well.

right leaning, you betcha!

I wasn't looking to insult you. I was just curious on your views. I'm with ya on being Anti Death Penalty. Didn't use to be though.

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 11:01 pm

Xpunge wrote:So you are the decider now? LOL.

No problem listening to/reading the crying over BOOsh starting right after his "selection"

but when it comes to the messiah you want to end discussions A.S.A.P.

Feel free to start your own threads about subjects you want to discuss if this one isn't suiting you. It's real easy. We'll help you if you need it. really we will.

Jesus H Christ you are dense. Obama is a complete failure. What do you want to argue about now? Who are you preaching to because it sure as hell aint me.

Just keep in mind...nobody put up a candidate that could beat Obama...who is a complete failure and the current POTUS.

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 11:07 pm

mnosteele52 wrote:Yes, and I believe certain members here posted about how they disapproved of Bush for the Patriot Act..... yet those same members were quiet as a church mouse when Obama extended it and even added to it.... taking away more of our freedom..... what's the term..... hypocrisy.

No. You are not included with "us". So therefore, you can't use the term..."our". I disapproved of the Patriot Act while you hailed it. I continue to disapprove of it. Sorry, you are not included. "Your" freedoms are just fine...you have nothing to worry about. The Patriot Act is for your safety and well being.

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Mon Mar 08, 2010 5:50 am

JawZ wrote:No. You are not included with "us". So therefore, you can't use the term..."our". I disapproved of the Patriot Act while you hailed it. I continue to disapprove of it. Sorry, you are not included. "Your" freedoms are just fine...you have nothing to worry about. The Patriot Act is for your safety and well being.

Sarahnn · Post by **Sarahnn** » Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:28 am

cybotron r_9 wrote:Gosh by Golly, I miss Downhill........

Where'd downhill go?

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:29 am

Sarahnn wrote:Where'd downhill go?

He got burnt out. Hasn't been on here in several months.

Sarahnn · Post by **Sarahnn** » Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:34 am

Roody wrote:He got burnt out. Hasn't been on here in several months.

Oh I see.....hope he's okay. Thanks.

brembo · Post by **brembo** » Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:35 am

DHD is working on his proctology degree. Railroad proctology mind you.

Sarahnn · Post by **Sarahnn** » Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:39 am

JawZ wrote:No. You are not included with "us". So therefore, you can't use the term..."our". I disapproved of the Patriot Act while you hailed it. I continue to disapprove of it. Sorry, you are not included. "Your" freedoms are just fine...you have nothing to worry about. The Patriot Act is for your safety and well being.

I think that those who disapprove of the patriot act have no knowledge of what it actually contains, nor how it works on behalf of U.S. citizens, not against them.

This is also one of the most bipartisan pieces of legislation in action today. And it is aimed corrrectly at terrorists. It was conceived after the Oklahoma bombing and refined and buiilt upon until Bush finally signed it into action.

Here's a site that may interest you.

http://www.justice.gov/archive/ll/subs/add_myths.htm

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:41 am

Sarahnn wrote:Oh I see.....hope he's okay. Thanks.

Yeah he's doing good as I understand it.

Sarahnn · Post by **Sarahnn** » Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:06 am

Roody wrote:http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/pro ... mise-kept/

Roody, here is more information I needed time to break down about this politifact article on obama promises. This also came from politifact that makes my point.

Under each category, the promises obama has kept: I'm not including promises in the works because promises are broken.

Economy: 3 out of 20 promises.

Terrorism: 0 out of 7 promises.

Immigration: 0 out of 5 promises.

Military: 6 out of 33 promises.

Misc. Top promises according to Politifact: 2 out of 25 promises.

(one was to send two brigades to Afghanistan.
That wasn't his idea. It was a request from the Generals whose requests for numbrs of troops wasn't even met.)

Sarahnn · Post by **Sarahnn** » Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:06 am

Roody wrote:Yeah he's doing good as I understand it.

Thanks again, Roody.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:15 am

Sarahnn wrote:This also came from politifact that makes my point.

Wouldn't it have to be all 0s to help your point?

brembo · Post by **brembo** » Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:17 am

Notice you do not capitalize obama while you do with Bush, any comment?

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:20 am

YARDofSTUF wrote:Wouldn't it have to be all 0s to help your point?

Based on her comment that he has done nothing yes it would. I'm not going to argue with Sarahnn if she doesn't like the guy, but the claim that he has done nothing is false and been proven to be so even with her own information.

Sarahnn · Post by **Sarahnn** » Mon Mar 08, 2010 11:51 am

Roody wrote:Based on her comment that he has done nothing yes it would. I'm not going to argue with Sarahnn if she doesn't like the guy, but the claim that he has done nothing is false and been proven to be so even with her own information.

One of the promises listed at politifact that was accomplished was that he got a dog. This makes my point even further. Getting a dog means nothing to the welfare of this nation nor does 99% anything else he's done. If you notice, nothing he has done could not have been accomplished by each State. He has done nothing noteworthy other than seize further control of this country, including the States. On a national level, the man is not up to the job.

Sarahnn · Post by **Sarahnn** » Mon Mar 08, 2010 11:53 am

Roody wrote:Based on her comment that he has done nothing yes it would. I'm not going to argue with Sarahnn if she doesn't like the guy, but the claim that he has done nothing is false and been proven to be so even with her own information.

Roody, I think you hit the nail on the head. What does "liking or not liking the guy" have to do with what he has done as President? Maybe you "like" him too much to see his failure to lead this nation.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Mon Mar 08, 2010 11:57 am

Sarahnn wrote:Roody, I think you hit the nail on the head. What does "liking or not liking the guy" have to do with what he has done as President? Maybe you "like" him too much to see his failure to lead this nation.

Sarahnn that's simply not the case. First off I am on record criticizing him with things when I think he is wrong and all you would have to do is look at my post history to know that. Second of all he has done something. That's a fact. I noticed you changed your remark though from having done nothing to having done nothing of note.

Truth is there is several things on there that he accomplished with one being the new credit card bill. The rules were terrible and although there is still loopholes that the CC industry found the situation is better then it was.

Sarahnn · Post by **Sarahnn** » Mon Mar 08, 2010 11:57 am

brembo wrote:Notice you do not capitalize obama while you do with Bush, any comment?

Sure, obama doesn't need to be capitalized in order to know what I am referring to, while Bush does because it is a proper name and a noun that does not require capitalization. Good question by the way. I didn't realize I was doing that. It wasn't out of disrespect for the small-time community organizer.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Mon Mar 08, 2010 11:58 am

Sarahnn wrote:This makes my point even further.

They are all not 0s still. How does it help your point?

Sarahnn · Post by **Sarahnn** » Mon Mar 08, 2010 11:59 am

Roody wrote:Sarahnn that's simply not the case. First off I am on record criticizing him with things when I think he is wrong. Second of all he has done something. That's a fact. I noticed you changed your remark though from having done nothing to having done nothing of note.

Truth is there is several things on there that he accomplished with one being the new credit card bill. The rules were terrible and although there is still loopholes the situation is better then it was.

Yes, I did change it, I want to be totally fair. I am not trying to falsely discredit the man. I'm simply trying to show that he is not up to the job of President of the United States and leader of the free world.

Sarahnn · Post by **Sarahnn** » Mon Mar 08, 2010 12:02 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:They are all not 0s still. How does it help your point?

Politifact listed his getting a dog as one of his accomplishments. Most of the few promises he's kept are no more significant to the welfare of this nation than his getting a dog.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Mon Mar 08, 2010 12:02 pm

Sarahnn wrote:Yes, I did change it, I want to be totally fair. I am not trying to falsely discredit the man. I'm simply trying to show that he is not up to the job of President of the United States and leader of the free world.

That's your right to feel that way. I will admit I don't see how you can because I believe every President needs time to implement their policies, but it's your right nonetheless.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Mon Mar 08, 2010 12:37 pm

Trollnn wrote:Politifact listed his getting a dog as one of his accomplishments. Most of the few promises he's kept are no more significant to the welfare of this nation than his getting a dog.

Oh, you!

David · Post by **David** » Mon Mar 08, 2010 12:57 pm

Sarahnn wrote:Sure, obama doesn't need to be capitalized in order to know what I am referring to, while Bush does because it is a proper name and a noun that does not require capitalization. Good question by the way. I didn't realize I was doing that. It wasn't out of disrespect for the small-time community organizer.

P,

Our current president has a proper name, so it should be capitalized.

be well,
d

brembo · Post by **brembo** » Mon Mar 08, 2010 1:06 pm

Sarahnn wrote:Sure, obama doesn't need to be capitalized in order to know what I am referring to, while Bush does because it is a proper name and a noun that does not require capitalization. Good question by the way. I didn't realize I was doing that. It wasn't out of disrespect for the small-time community organizer.

Gotcha.

Sarahnn · Post by **Sarahnn** » Mon Mar 08, 2010 4:22 pm

David wrote:P,

Our current president has a proper name, so it should be capitalized.

be well,
d

Hi David, good to hear from you!! okay....Ohhhhh (nooooo), bama. How's that?